Sony introduces high-end ZD9 TV series with HDR

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

I have also seen on Oppo's of the past, dvd 24p ON can be bad too and herky jerky.

IMO the 24p output of the OPPO 203 for DVD is the best I've seen, at least as far as this current crop of UHD players is concerned. BUT Sony TVs do have a rather excellent ace up their sleeve, namely the reverse 3:2 pulldown which can restore the proper 24fps cadence to incoming 60i/60p sources. With the MotionFlow set to TrueMotion and Film Mode to Medium then this mode is enabled and it works brilliantly. It's not adding any interpolated frames, it's solely about removing the extra 3:2 fields/frames and the judder that they cause. (I've seen some reviews and commentators that recommend leaving this setting on in general for better motion but IMO it does absolutely nothing for proper 24/50/60p content, and never has done.)

But I can't be bothered faffing about with the TV settings all the time (ironic, I know) so I usually just let the player handle it. If I get anything that still looks a bit squinky then I'll disable the 24p on the player and turn on the TrueMotion.

[elwaylite]

The Oppo's have been good with DVD 24p, but when you get the odd disc, you know it quick because it is bad and you have to cut 24p off.

[A17]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

IMO the 24p output of the OPPO 203 for DVD is the best I've seen, at least as far as this current crop of UHD players is concerned. BUT Sony TVs do have a rather excellent ace up their sleeve, namely the reverse 3:2 pulldown which can restore the proper 24fps cadence to incoming 60i/60p sources. With the MotionFlow set to TrueMotion and Film Mode to Medium then this mode is enabled and it works brilliantly. It's not adding any interpolated frames, it's solely about removing the extra 3:2 fields/frames and the judder that they cause. (I've seen some reviews and commentators that recommend leaving this setting on in general for better motion but IMO it does absolutely nothing for proper 24/50/60p content, and never has done.)

But I can't be bothered faffing about with the TV settings all the time (ironic, I know) so I usually just let the player handle it. If I get anything that still looks a bit squinky then I'll disable the 24p on the player and turn on the TrueMotion.

Yes, please leave resetting the settings for the professionals and the enthusiasts, you just look at the pretty pictures.

[Geoff D]

Um...okay?

[cochon]

Mum, I want to see pretty pictures too but those boys won't let me.

[elwaylite]

Per Forbes, the DV rollout starts Mid Jan for the X1 Extreme chip displays.

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Per Forbes, the DV rollout starts Mid Jan for the X1 Extreme chip displays.

Well at least we have a date!

Here is the link for those interested.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#549011cf7655

[DJR662]

Vincent Teoh mentions on his Twitter account that one of the Sony TVs that's getting the DV update next year, is one that he measured with a peak brightness little over 2800. Surely that must be a new Sony 2018 model?

https://twitter.com/vincent_teoh

[Geoff D]

ZF9, can it be?! Folks were wondering if Sony would even bother with another high end LCD now that they've got behind OLED as a premium line but that pic answers that question I think!

To ZD9 owners: "You were good kid, real good, but now that I'm around you'll always be second best, see?"

It's not even the increase in brightness that I'm interested in though, it's whether Sony have increased the colour gamut and reduced the pixel response time, along with any updates or changes to their approach to static tone mapping.

[DJR662]

I'm actually fine with the pixel reponse time. I will honestly say that I do not exactly have an eagle's eye when it comes to noticing issues caused by slow(er) response times. I never really was bothered by the amount of motion blur on the TVs I have owned over the years. So perhaps it's also a case of being more forgiven.

Can't imagine having a brighter TV than the ZD9. Everytime we watch HDR content on it, I can't help but to think that perhaps it is just a bit too bright. Granted we do always watch in a completely dark room. I'm using your settings (Pro) but sometimes I bring down contrast to 85 (your old contrast setting if I am not mistaken) to see what difference it makes, and I find that easier on the eyes with still more than enough overall brightness.

[elwaylite]

Thats it, larger color gamut and pixel response is what I would want. Not that I am complaining about mine.

[Geoff D]

I agree with you both, it's still a beast of a TV and I too can't imagine it being any brighter! But if they can tie it all together in the new TV (better mapping, higher peak brightness, better response time, wider gamut, improved dispersion of residual light etc) then we could be looking at the best consumer LCD TV ever, something not too far afield from a Dolby Pulsar even.

[elwaylite]

Id also like to see them make a stride view angle. This display isn't going anywhere until 77" OLEDs are about $6k

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Id also like to see them make a stride view angle. This display isn't going anywhere until 77" OLEDs are about $6k

The problem with that is black levels vs viewing angle using current LCD tech. A VA panel will give you better blacks but a much worse viewing angle whereas an IPS will give you the better viewing angle but noticeably poorer blacks. Some have said that using FALD in conjunction with an IPS panel would solve the black levels issue but most manufacturers still seem to be using IPS for frame-dimming lower end sets and VA for their dynamically lit bad boys.

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I agree with you both, it's still a beast of a TV and I too can't imagine it being any brighter! But if they can tie it all together in the new TV (better mapping, higher peak brightness, better response time, wider gamut, improved dispersion of residual light etc) then we could be looking at the best consumer LCD TV ever, something not too far afield from a Dolby Pulsar even.

Almost 2900 nits would be absolutely INSANE!

I was watching Kingsman The Golden Circle off the Apple TV over the weekend and there were some scene transitions with an all white screen and other moments in the movie where I literally squinted and involuntarily looked away from the screen.

Wider color gamut and overall better color volume would be great but my biggest complaint would be the atrocious software in the TV and viewing angles which may not be improved if this is a new model. Having put well over a year worth of gaming on the Z, I have zero complaints about its response time.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Thats it, larger color gamut and pixel response is what I would want. Not that I am complaining about mine.

If I were to buy a 2018 Sony TV, I would want it to have 3D. But ofcourse that's not going to happen.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But if they can tie it all together in the new TV (better mapping, higher peak brightness, better response time, wider gamut, improved dispersion of residual light etc) then we could be looking at the best consumer LCD TV ever, something not too far afield from a Dolby Pulsar even.

And if they don't, then the Z9D will remain the best consumer LCD TV for the time being I guess.

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Id also like to see them make a stride view angle. This display isn't going anywhere until 77" OLEDs are about $6k

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The problem with that is black levels vs viewing angle using current LCD tech. A VA panel will give you better blacks but a much worse viewing angle whereas an IPS will give you the better viewing angle but noticeably poorer blacks. Some have said that using FALD in conjunction with an IPS panel would solve the black levels issue but most manufacturers still seem to be using IPS for frame-dimming lower end sets and VA for their dynamically lit bad boys.

The one thing the Z9D excels in being bad at, is its viewing angles. If I stand next to either the right or left sight of our bed and look at it (which is just a slight angle), the picture already deteriorates in a major way. If I have people coming over to check it out, they will need to lie/sit on the bed otherwise they might get the wrong impression about the PQ.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by DJR662

The one thing the Z9D excels in being bad at, is its viewing angles. If I stand next to either the right or left sight of our bed and look at it (which is just a slight angle), the picture already deteriorates in a major way. If I have people coming over to check it out, they will need to lie/sit on the bed otherwise they might get the wrong impression about the PQ.

Well that's just LCD as a format. Even the best displays don't have much of a viewing angle.

Lack of 3D will keep me from upgrading my Z9D for the foreseeable future.

[elwaylite]

I fully understand LCD panel tech and which panel designs are better at view angle vs black level, does not mean we cant hope for improvements.

[vincentric]

A potentially new Z for 2018 would be something. 930e brightness is plenty enough for me but an increased color gamut and decreased pixel response is what I'd be most interested in as well. Have until the 10th of January to decide if I want to keep the 930E or return it and hold out for a 2018 Z9F/930F model (interested in seeing 2018 OLEDs on display as well).

[Geoff D]

I'd take it back, you've got your other OLED anyway so why not wait and see what 2018 brings?