Sony introduces high-end ZD9 TV series with HDR

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Big BHP had the 65 Z9D at closeout under 2K. Last couple weeks or so.

Now DISCONTNUED!!!

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...BoC8L4QAvD_BwE

Crutchfield stopped selling 65 Z9Ds too.

[HDMan72]

I am patiently waiting to receive mine from Best Buy. Cant wait!

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Amazon has two. 65 inch Z9D.

Used appx $2K.

New appx $3K

Ebay has one with a soundbar included.
appx $6800

[mutelight]

Installed a Nanoleaf system by my Z last night.

[HDMan72]

It has arrived! Time to unpack and get it all setup!

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Originally Posted by mutelight

Installed a Nanoleaf system by my Z last night.

[Show spoiler]

Looks really good.

[HDMan72]

I have my 65" all setup. I did not install the back cover yet. I'am currently using Cinema Home for SDR and Cinema Pro for HDR. Used settings provided my Geoff D for HDR and searched this thread and found his SDR settings. My question is with motion settings. Right now have all motion settings off (Motionflow, Cinemotion) as I've never really used settings like these in previous TV's I've owned. I dislike the dreaded SOE. Just wondering if any of these would be beneficial. So far I'm amazed at the picture, I've never seen HDR like this. My previous HDR TV's were a 2015 Samsung JS8500 and a 2018 Vizio P-F1. The Z9D is just way ahead of both by a large margin.

[Geoff D]

My SDR is tuned to hit about 140 nits peak as what SDR is mastered close to, but by all means pump up the brightness (backlight) if it's too dim during daylight hours for you.

I like the Motionflow on Sony TVs, not that I use it a great deal with live-action 24p content but for animated TV shows I dabble with Custom set to Smoothness 2 and Clarity to 1, you get a nice sense of improved temporal resolution without it going full SOE and nor do you get loads of processing artefacts either.

Cinemotion is a different thing that's designed to remove the 3:2 pulldown (added judder) from 24fps content that's encoded as 60Hz e.g. films on NTSC DVDs or US TV broadcasts. You need to set the Film Mode at the bottom to Medium when using Cinemotion in order to activate the pulldown removal, this will restore the true 24p cadence to applicable content.

[RalphoR]

Originally Posted by HDMan72

I have my 65" all setup. I did not install the back cover yet. I'am currently using Cinema Home for SDR and Cinema Pro for HDR. Used settings provided my Geoff D for HDR and searched this thread and found his SDR settings. My question is with motion settings. Right now have all motion settings off (Motionflow, Cinemotion) as I've never really used settings like these in previous TV's I've owned. I dislike the dreaded SOE. Just wondering if any of these would be beneficial. So far I'm amazed at the picture, I've never seen HDR like this. My previous HDR TV's were a 2015 Samsung JS8500 and a 2018 Vizio P-F1. The Z9D is just way ahead of both by a large margin.

Congrats on your new Z! Once you dial it in to your liking we may never see you again

[HDMan72]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

My SDR is tuned to hit about 140 nits peak as what SDR is mastered close to, but by all means pump up the brightness (backlight) if it's too dim during daylight hours for you.

I like the Motionflow on Sony TVs, not that I use it a great deal with live-action 24p content but for animated TV shows I dabble with Custom set to Smoothness 2 and Clarity to 1, you get a nice sense of improved temporal resolution without it going full SOE and nor do you get loads of processing artefacts either.

Cinemotion is a different thing that's designed to remove the 3:2 pulldown (added judder) from 24fps content that's encoded as 60Hz e.g. films on NTSC DVDs or US TV broadcasts. You need to set the Film Mode at the bottom to Medium when using Cinemotion in order to activate the pulldown removal, this will restore the true 24p cadence to applicable content.

Yes, the backlight i'm aware of raising for daytime viewing. Mostly watch movies at night with no lights so backlight of 6 looks great and what I'm used to.

Cinemotion,yes, I was confused about what it does. The last Sony tv I owned was years ago, an SXRD XBR1. I'll definitely enable that along with Film Mode.

Thanks Geoff!

[pbz06]

Originally Posted by HDMan72

I have my 65" all setup. I did not install the back cover yet. I'am currently using Cinema Home for SDR and Cinema Pro for HDR. Used settings provided my Geoff D for HDR and searched this thread and found his SDR settings. My question is with motion settings. Right now have all motion settings off (Motionflow, Cinemotion) as I've never really used settings like these in previous TV's I've owned. I dislike the dreaded SOE. Just wondering if any of these would be beneficial. So far I'm amazed at the picture, I've never seen HDR like this. My previous HDR TV's were a 2015 Samsung JS8500 and a 2018 Vizio P-F1. The Z9D is just way ahead of both by a large margin.

For 24p content, you can use True Cinema and it will play it back at 24hz without any frame interpolation.

Streaming content, if you use True Cinema you will need to activate Cinemotion to either medium or high.

[pbz06]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

My SDR is tuned to hit about 140 nits peak as what SDR is mastered close to, but by all means pump up the brightness (backlight) if it's too dim during daylight hours for you.

I like the Motionflow on Sony TVs, not that I use it a great deal with live-action 24p content but for animated TV shows I dabble with Custom set to Smoothness 2 and Clarity to 1, you get a nice sense of improved temporal resolution without it going full SOE and nor do you get loads of processing artefacts either.

Cinemotion is a different thing that's designed to remove the 3:2 pulldown (added judder) from 24fps content that's encoded as 60Hz e.g. films on NTSC DVDs or US TV broadcasts. You need to set the Film Mode at the bottom to Medium when using Cinemotion in order to activate the pulldown removal, this will restore the true 24p cadence to applicable content.

On my TV (U.S. if it makes a difference), using Medium or High with anything other than True Cinema enables SOE. Even with Custom and Smoohness 1 which looks good with 24p content.

Hard to tell when it uses both settings m

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by pbz06

On my TV (U.S. if it makes a difference), using Medium or High with anything other than True Cinema enables SOE. Even with Custom and Smoohness 1 which looks good with 24p content.

Hard to tell when it uses both settings m

Originally Posted by pbz06

For 24p content, you can use True Cinema and it will play it back at 24hz without any frame interpolation.

Streaming content, if you use True Cinema you will need to activate Cinemotion to either medium or high.

UK version here. TrueCinema (as CineMotion is called on this UK set) does absolutely nothing to true 24p content that I can detect, the TV is repeating the 24 x5 into 120Hz with it on or off. I keep seeing it mentioned in reviews and whatnot but maybe it's different for the UK/Euro sets? On my TV it only affects 24->60Hz content, and even then only when Film Mode is set to Medium or High, it does not enable the reverse pulldown on Low.

I leave Film Mode set to Medium for ease of use when I need to activate the reverse pulldown (I only have to turn on TrueCinema and don't have to faff about with Film Mode as well) and turn all other Motionflow off when watching normal 24p content. I can detect no SOE with FM set to Medium but with it set to High it can make things look a little too video-y than I prefer.

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by brasil

So Best Buy cut it's 75 inch Z9D to $4500.

I wish I had room for another one.

[pbz06]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

UK version here. TrueCinema (as CineMotion is called on this UK set) does absolutely nothing to true 24p content that I can detect, the TV is repeating the 24 x5 into 120Hz with it on or off. I keep seeing it mentioned in reviews and whatnot but maybe it's different for the UK/Euro sets? On my TV it only affects 24->60Hz content, and even then only when Film Mode is set to Medium or High, it does not enable the reverse pulldown on Low.

I leave Film Mode set to Medium for ease of use when I need to activate the reverse pulldown (I only have to turn on TrueCinema and don't have to faff about with Film Mode as well) and turn all other Motionflow off when watching normal 24p content. I can detect no SOE with FM set to Medium but with it set to High it can make things look a little too video-y than I prefer.

Freaking Sony can be confusing. We have Cinemotion settings (Off, Low, Med, High) which clearly do *something* related to "interlaced-progressive" signals which we all understand as related to 3:2 pulldown and 24p/60hz signals.

Our True Cinema is under the Motionflow settings. Seems that with 24p content from disc, only Motionflow is engaged. With streaming or 24/60, it uses a combination of both. With True Cinema it changes refresh rate of panel to 24hz when watching Blu-ray, but supposedly you need Cinemotion High to utilize it with 24/60.

I wish we had elaborate descriptions other than what Sony says with "processes images".

[Geoff D]

Oh, I understand now, I've got it all backwards. So you guys still have TrueCinema as we do, but CineMotion is what's called 'Film Mode' on UK sets. Thanks.

I still don't think that the panel is outputting 24p at 24Hz though with TrueCinema engaged because not even cinemas output 24fps as 24fps, it would be too juddery without 'refreshing' the eye at least two times during playback, e.g. film projectors used a double or triple-bladed shutter to flash each frame two or three times and modern digital projectors usually run at 72Hz for 24p content.

[HDMan72]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oh, I understand now, I've got it all backwards. So you guys still have TrueCinema as we do, but CineMotion is what's called 'Film Mode' on UK sets. Thanks.

I still don't think that the panel is outputting 24p at 24Hz though with TrueCinema engaged because not even cinemas output 24fps as 24fps, it would be too juddery without 'refreshing' the eye at least two times during playback, e.g. film projectors used a double or triple-bladed shutter to flash each frame two or three times and modern digital projectors usually run at 72Hz for 24p content.

I was looking for CineMotion on my set. Lol. Thanks to you and pbz06 for some insight here. I'm playing around with the motion settings. They are confusing at first.

[pbz06]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oh, I understand now, I've got it all backwards. So you guys still have TrueCinema as we do, but CineMotion is what's called 'Film Mode' on UK sets. Thanks.

I still don't think that the panel is outputting 24p at 24Hz though with TrueCinema engaged because not even cinemas output 24fps as 24fps, it would be too juddery without 'refreshing' the eye at least two times during playback, e.g. film projectors used a double or triple-bladed shutter to flash each frame two or three times and modern digital projectors usually run at 72Hz for 24p content.

You're probably right, just that's what I've heard/read and there's no way of knowing.

So theoretically what's the difference between having Motionflow on True Cinema vs just OFF? Assuming watching 24p content from a disc...

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Originally Posted by brasil

So Best Buy cut it's 75 inch Z9D to $4500.

Checked on it and says...sold out

[dgator783]

I just bought 1 from best buy today and will arrive Monday. I wanted a 4k tv and something that was 3D as well.. this was exactly what I needed! Cant wait! First new tv in about 7 years, replacing my 59' Samsung Plasma 3DTV in the living room. First time owning a Sony.