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[billzfan]

Originally Posted by SpiderBaby

what does that have to do with being a filmmaker? Lynch would love to have Anger's filmography. He is pretty much PG Anger anyways.

Because the great directors don't just grab your attention, they can sustain it.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by billzfan

Because the great directors don't just grab your attention, they can sustain it.

So because something like Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome is about 40 mins or Lucifer Rising being 30 mins, one just "grabs your attention" and isn't considered a filmmaker?

Let's just put it this way, if this was a football team, Kenneth Anger would be starting QB while Lynch would be getting his water.

[billzfan]

Originally Posted by SpiderBaby

So because something like Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome is about 40 mins or Lucifer Rising being 30 mins, one just "grabs your attention" and isn't considered a filmmaker?

Let's just put it this way, if this was a football team, Kenneth Anger would be starting QB while Lynch would be getting his water.

The man who directed Mulholland Drive gets no one's water, lol.

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by billzfan

The man who directed Mulholland Drive gets no one's water, lol.

...twice!

[rezpekt]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

I don't expect you to believe a schlub like me Pyoko. Tell it to Robert A. Harris, or Sony's Grover Crisp, who do know what this film actually looks like.

Rober Harris, huh? He said that the new Casablanca Blu-ray which comes from a 4K restoration doesn't look much better than the old one that used 10+ year old HD master. He gave perfect marks for The Last Temptation of Christ Blu-ray, which uses 10+ year old master. Etc.

Not only that I completely disagree with him, his opinions are in contradiction with your statements.

Oh, and he also praised heavily DNRed Patton and The Longest Day...

[TJS_Blu]

Originally Posted by rezpekt

Rober Harris, huh? He said that the new Casablanca Blu-ray which comes from a 4K restoration doesn't look much better than the old one that used 10+ year old HD master.

That would be blistering put down if there were reports to the contrary. And to be fair, I think he observed that the difference between the two was not enough to justify a double dip for most consumers.

Originally Posted by rezpekt

Oh, and he also praised heavily DNRed Patton and The Longest Day...

I viewed Patton on a 30" Sony HD XBR CRT, and the image looked glorious. The information was so compacted, it was difficult to tell that anything was missing.

Only later, when I viewed it on a larger screen, did it become apparent that all was not well.

Faces were waxy, background detail was gone, clothing, walls, dirt on Jeeps was all missing high frequency information, and the image appeared dead, much like a video game.

Robert A. Harris

While I enjoyed seeing The Longest Day on Blu-Ray, I was unable to recognize it as film. There was no look of the cinema, except for some occasional white vertical scratches that remain.

To my eye, the image appears to be highly processed, removing grain, and with it, much of the high frequency information that can be so easily replicated in the wonderful Blu-Ray system. This is what high definition Blu-Ray is all about. Facial tonalities as they are, take on the look similar to wax figures in Madame Tussauds. I'm thinking back here to Paramount's HD
release of The Untouchables which was devoid of detail.

Let me be absolutely clear.

I would bet that the majority of the audience for this film will either never recognize the fact that it no longer looks like film, or loves the look.

Possibly I'm just a purist.

Robert A. Harris

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by rezpekt

Rober Harris, huh? He said that the new Casablanca Blu-ray which comes from a 4K restoration doesn't look much better than the old one that used 10+ year old HD master. He gave perfect marks for The Last Temptation of Christ Blu-ray, which uses 10+ year old master. Etc.

Not only that I completely disagree with him, his opinions are in contradiction with your statements.

Oh, and he also praised heavily DNRed Patton and The Longest Day...

Put words in my mouth if you must rezpekt, but from my recollection, I don't think you're accurately representing Mr. Harris' POV on some of these titles. I'd be curious to read what he actually does have to say, so if you do have some links, by all means share.

It's not germane to my wee point anyway. From the screen caps, A Night to Remember is clearly not some new benchmark for vintage black and white in 4K high def, merely a well done, make-the-best-of-it effort from a 2K source with better than average workflow. It doesn't look bad for a '58 Rank movie; it just doesn't look jaw-dropping, which is what I would expect from a perfect 5 rating.

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by TJS_Blu

That would be blistering put down if there were reports to the contrary. And to be fair, I think he observed that the difference between the two was not enough to justify a double dip for most consumers.

Robert A. Harris

Robert A. Harris

Thanks TJS_Blu!

[drbikeshorts]

Originally Posted by rezpekt

1080i supplements are usually upscaled, they've done since they began releasing Blu-rays. In my opinion, they should keep them in standard definition and give more space and bitrate to film/true HD supplements.

Originally Posted by stobbart

It seems as if Criterion is now going 1080i for their supplements with Godzilla and A Night To Remember. I mean it is nice to have everything on one disc, but I would rather have a second disc for supplements then having quality suffer

I'd much rather 1080i or even 480i if it means more space for the feature. I'm actually surprised to see supplements of talking heads and slide-shows that are presented in 1080p - it's completely unnecessary.
I could care less if they were putting features on one disc and supplements on a second disc, but the trend seems to be towards putting it all on one disc. Therefore, I think they should save the space for what's important - the film.

[drbikeshorts]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

...and no way can even the best work from a 2K scan be considered worthy of 5 stars for PQ. Overall, A Night to Remember has nice enough video given the source, but just compare with Anatomy of a Murder which was harvested at 4K. Now that's high definition black and white.

I watched Anatomy of a Murder a week ago and loved it.
However, I'm really surprised that none of the reviews or comments I've read have pointed out the edge-enhancement. I'm not usually fussed or looking for it, but it was very obvious throughout the whole film.

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by drbikeshorts

I watched Anatomy of a Murder a week ago and loved it.
However, I'm really surprised that none of the reviews or comments I've read have pointed out the edge-enhancement. I'm not usually fussed or looking for it, but it was very obvious throughout the whole film.

This is second time today I've heard this and I'm still puzzled. All I saw was pretty much what was reproduced here and here Dr. If there's serious edge-enhancement going on in Anatomy of a Murder, I'm just not seeing it.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by drbikeshorts

I watched Anatomy of a Murder a week ago and loved it.
However, I'm really surprised that none of the reviews or comments I've read have pointed out the edge-enhancement. I'm not usually fussed or looking for it, but it was very obvious throughout the whole film.

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

This is second time today I've heard this and I'm still puzzled. All I saw was pretty much what was reproduced here and here Dr. If there's serious edge-enhancement going on in Anatomy of a Murder, I'm just not seeing it.

First things first - Anatomy of a Murder looks spectacular. I was blown away.

That said, it does have something of a processed feel to it at times. I don't know that edge-enhancement is the culprit (and I kind of lean more toward contrast tweaks) but it does sometimes look a little too crisp in a not entirely natural sort of way.

And part of that could simply be that it correctly resolves difficult material. Some of Jimmy Stewart's 'black-on-black-on-black with silvery white highlight thread' jackets look like they were filmed yesterday and you almost have to wonder if something fishy is going on.

And again, I'm not backing my initial raves in the slightest.

It looks great.

[drbikeshorts]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

This is second time today I've heard this and I'm still puzzled. All I saw was pretty much what was reproduced here and here Dr. If there's serious edge-enhancement going on in Anatomy of a Murder, I'm just not seeing it.

I mostly noticed it during many of the courtroom scenes.
If you're not noticing it, don't look for it - edge-enhancement is one of those things that once you see it, it's hard not to look at it.
I recently watched my blu-ray of Fargo and it is definitely a victim of edge-enhancement.
Otherwise, I was very happy with the look of Anatomy of a Murder

[stobbart]

Originally Posted by SpiderBaby

So because something like Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome is about 40 mins or Lucifer Rising being 30 mins, one just "grabs your attention" and isn't considered a filmmaker?

Let's just put it this way, if this was a football team, Kenneth Anger would be starting QB while Lynch would be getting his water.

Cassavetes Goddard just likes to troll people with obscure filmmakers and movies. Obviously if the movies he watches have been seen by more then 10 people he stops liking them. Why do people always prod this troll?

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by octagon

First things first - Anatomy of a Murder looks spectacular. I was blown away.

That said, it does have something of a processed feel to it at times. I don't know that edge-enhancement is the culprit (and I kind of lean more toward contrast tweaks) but it does sometimes look a little too crisp in a not entirely natural sort of way.

And part of that could simply be that it correctly resolves difficult material. Some of Jimmy Stewart's 'black-on-black-on-black with silvery white highlight thread' jackets look like they were filmed yesterday and you almost have to wonder if something fishy is going on.

And again, I'm not backing my initial raves in the slightest.

It looks great.

Big ditto there! From first frame to last Anatomy of a Murder was a totally immersive experience...nothing distracting me from from the narrative...totally transparent AQ and PQ specs.

Of course, it always helps when the the filmmaking is this good. Actually, I'd forgotten how good Lee Remick and Arthur O'Connell were throughout.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by stobbart

Cassavetes Goddard just likes to troll people with obscure filmmakers and movies. Obviously if the movies he watches have been seen by more then 10 people he stops liking them. Why do people always prod this troll?

Kenneth Anger is obscure? Godard is obscure? Is Rob Zombie obscure?

Is it maybe I just don't like some things and like others?

How is saying Kenneth Anger is the most important American filmmaker trolling when I believe he is, and it isn't a stretch to believe that over a David Lynch? And when you troll someone, please spell Godard right.


Oh and if your "joking", I'm sorry, but it's very hard to pick up sarcasm on the internet, unless it is from someone that does it all the time (CCFixx).

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by drbikeshorts

I mostly noticed it during many of the courtroom scenes.
If you're not noticing it, don't look for it - edge-enhancement is one of those things that once you see it, it's hard not to look at it.
I recently watched my blu-ray of Fargo and it is definitely a victim of edge-enhancement.
Otherwise, I was very happy with the look of Anatomy of a Murder

Funny you should mention the courtroom scenes Dr., because when selecting screen caps to illustrate my previous point, I purposely avoided linking that particular scene. Upon closer inspection, it did seem like something *might* have been going on there. But like octagon, I think it's probably some kind of contrast tweek, not EE. For me, all this was totally invisible in motion.

[Darkcritic]

Just finished watching both, part I and II, of Che and I loved it . Probably one of the most exciting "contemporary" films Criterion added to the Collection. I was impressed by many things but Del Toro's performance is probably the biggest one. He is a pretty good actor most of the time but this is in a whole new level for him. Also, I really liked Soderbergh's direction in this one. Most of the time, I feel Soderbergh is one of those impersonal directors whose films I am not all that excited for. This time, however, that particular aspects works in his favor. The film could have fallen into an easy one-sided depiction of Che's life but I think it does a remarkable job in presenting every event as objectively as possible. Also, the contrasting aspects of both films help into establishing a greater sense of tragedy to the story. I will not spoil anything to those who have not seen it yet but I really REALLY loved the use of one particular scene at the very end of Part II. If anyone who has seen it wants to further discuss the film you can PM me .

[drbikeshorts]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

Funny you should mention the courtroom scenes Dr., because when selecting screen caps to illustrate my previous point, I purposely avoided linking that particular scene. Upon closer inspection, it did seem like something *might* have been going on there. But like octagon, I think it's probably some kind of contrast tweek, not EE. For me, all this was totally invisible in motion.

Nah, that scene looks okay - I'm thinking of other scenes.
Part of me thinks I shouldn't even say anything, because once you start thinking about or looking for edge-enhancement or you notice it, it takes over your viewing experience.
Here's a couple of (minor) examples taken from blu-ray.com's review:
Screenshot 1
Screenshot 2
Screenshot 3
If you look at things like heads and shoulders it becomes quite noticeable.
I feel like a nit-picker and usually don't like this kind of complaint, but here I am doing the same thing

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by zui

Now c'mon, Anger's films are anything but just attention grabbers...
Plus SB is right, there are Anger "influences" all over the place in nearly all of the films Lynch gets applauded for by so many.

Exactly. People can call me a "troll" because I named Anger, but in reality, we could even ask David Lynch himself this question and he would say Anger. So I don't see how I'm "going against" the norm when the filmmaker I'm going against (Lynch) would even agree on Anger.

But to each his own.