The Criterion Collection

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by Thebunk

So let me get is straight. You make a grandiose, hyperbolic statement on the Internet in classic anonymous message board posting fashion and state (and I quote):

"

That was one of the worst films I've ever seen."

First of all, Oceans 11, 12, and 13 are all competently made films and while art is subjective, I find it impossible that any of those movies are amongst the worst you have ever seen. Of all movies to pick on, you go with Oceans? This is coming from someone who is not a fanboy of them and merely think they are "Ok".

Second, you make the statement that it is amongst the worst films you have ever seen yet it is the defenders who are being "snobby". Really? Have a look in the mirror for a few minutes. Also re-read some of the people's comments. Is "Boo" really snobby?

We get it. You are not a fan of the movies and nor am I. But unless you were raised on nothing but Sight and Sounds Top 100 Films of all time (and many of those I would open to criticism before an " Oceans" film) then I am sure you have seen at least a dozen films worse then Soderberg's hommage to heist films, the Rat Pack and golden era Hollywood films.

Please, give the late 90s/early 00s forum posting a rest and try to be part of a constructive community.

What the hell?

You sure do seem like a big Ocean's/Soderbergh fan considering I wasn't even talking to you in the first place and yet you write this lengthy, excoriating reply. How silly can you get, being so defensive about the freaking Ocean's trilogy?

Ocean's Twelve really is one of the worst films I've ever seen. I'm not being hyperbolic and if it's impossible for you to comprehend that such a statement could be true, then be on your merry way.

I didn't quote Andrew's "Boo" reply in that particular post because there was nothing snobby about it. So yeah, that particular attack tactic of yours is just flat-out made up.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by The Narrator

And let's keep in mind that, even if you don't like Ocean's Twelve, it has a scene where Vincent Cassel uses capoeira skills to pass through a laser field, which alone disqualifies it from being the one of the worst films you've ever seen.

I didn't care for that scene either.

But maybe the lesson to learn here is: Don't EVER insult the Ocean's movies in the Criterion thread.

Huh. Who would've thunk it?

[Rich Pure Doom]

Originally Posted by Gate

I am so sick and tired of Criterion's hard-on for Wes Anderson.

It's because of Wes Anderson films that a company like Criterion can afford to release the movies you want, the ones that don't sell well. People need to understand how businesses work.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by Rich Pure Doom

It's because of Wes Anderson films that a company like Criterion can afford to release the movies you want, the ones that don't sell well. People need to understand how businesses work.

Have you run the numbers yourself or is there a source you'd care to cite?

[The Narrator]

Originally Posted by Gate

I didn't care for that scene either.

But maybe the lesson to learn here is: Don't EVER insult the Ocean's movies in the Criterion thread.

Huh. Who would've thunk it?

Hey, I'm not even the biggest fan of Ocean's Twelve (it's near the bottom of my Soderbergh rankings, almost tied with Full Frontal), and I was mostly just kidding around there. However, if you insult pretty much any other Soderbergh movie besides Frontal, Erin Brockovich, and The Good German, there will be Hell to pay.

[Rich Pure Doom]

Originally Posted by Gate

Have you run the numbers yourself or is there a source you'd care to cite?

I'm just using common sense. A title like The Royal Tenenbaums is gonna outsell Babette's Feast 100 to 1.

[dannyfriar]

Seriously, who cares if someone likes or dislikes a film/franchise? This petty *****ing back and forth does nothing except create pages of pointless arguing. Let the Criterion love commence!

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by The Narrator

Hey, I'm not even the biggest fan of Ocean's Twelve (it's near the bottom of my Soderbergh rankings, almost tied with Full Frontal), and I was mostly just kidding around there. However, if you insult pretty much any other Soderbergh movie besides Frontal, Erin Brockovich, and The Good German, there will be Hell to pay.

It's pretty much just Ocean's Twelve that I hate. Out of all the other Soderbergh films I've seen, that's the only one I'll complain about.

[Namuhana]

I'm ecstatically excited for Fantastic Mr. Fox and Foreign Correspondent!

[dannyfriar]

Originally Posted by Namuhana

I'm ecstatically excited for Fantastic Mr. Fox and Foreign Correspondent!

Definitely looking forward to Foreign Correspondent!

[The Narrator]

Originally Posted by Gate

Have you run the numbers yourself or is there a source you'd care to cite?

Number of Collections featuring Wes Anderson titles (according to criterion.com):

The Royal Tenenbaums: 5823
Rushmore: 4685
Bottle Rocket: 3129
Darjeeling Limited: 3052
Life Aquatic: 2875

Numbers of Collections featuring popular Kurosawa titles:

Seven Samurai: 5656
High and Low: 2402
Ikiru: 1484
Rashomon: 2055
Hidden Fortress: 1670
Yojimbo: 1467
Sanjuro: 1127

[jhiggy23]

Originally Posted by dannyfriar

Seriously, who cares if someone likes or dislikes a film/franchise? This petty *****ing back and forth does nothing except create pages of pointless arguing. Let the Criterion love commence!

Exactly. Gate takes himself far too seriously.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by Rich Pure Doom

I'm just using common sense. A title like The Royal Tenenbaums is gonna outsell Babette's Feast 100 to 1.

Yeah but I'm sure they could get their hands on other popular titles (as they have in the past) instead of just playing it safe by releasing Wes Anderson's entire filmography... including a film (Fantastic Mr. Fox) that already has a Blu-ray release! That's the point I'm making, not that Anderson shouldn't be represented in the Collection at all.

Originally Posted by dannyfriar

Seriously, who cares if someone likes or dislikes a film/franchise? This petty *****ing back and forth does nothing except create pages of pointless arguing. Let the Criterion love commence!

I agree. I never thought I'd have to defend my hatred for Ocean's Twelve in this thread from several of its defenders/closet defenders but there you go. I apologize to everyone else who is just looking for Criterion-related discussion but I didn't want to let slide the ridiculous replies I received.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by The Narrator

Number of Collections featuring Wes Anderson titles (according to criterion.com):

The Royal Tenenbaums: 5823
Rushmore: 4685
Bottle Rocket: 3129
Darjeeling Limited: 3052
Life Aquatic: 2875

Numbers of Collections featuring popular Kurosawa titles:

High and Low: 2402
Ikiru: 1484
Rashomon: 2055
Hidden Fortress: 1670
Yojimbo: 1467
Sanjuro: 1127

Fair enough, that's one way of looking at it. I still think Criterion could have found some other popular films instead of going the "easy" route and releasing another Anderson film.

Originally Posted by jhiggy23

Exactly. Gate takes himself far too seriously.

Next time I'm insulted on here I'll try not to respond but you have to admit, sometimes it's quite tempting.

[jhiggy23]

Heads up that To Be Or Not To Be is on TCM tomorrow.

[dannyfriar]

I watched Frances Ha last night on netflix. It was strange because for the first ten minutes or so, it felt wired watching it in black and white, but after that I dint even consciously see it as a black and white film. It was very well made, and I'm glad I watched it. I probably won't buy it though.

[Mansinthe]

Originally Posted by Gate

Fair enough, that's one way of looking at it. I still think Criterion could have found some other popular films instead of going the "easy" route and releasing another Anderson film.



Next time I'm insulted on here I'll try not to respond but you have to admit, sometimes it's quite tempting.

they probably make good money with these movies.

[The Narrator]

Originally Posted by Mansinthe

they probably make good money with these movies.

Not to mention they're on very good terms with Anderson, and they have been since 1999.

[Mansinthe]

Originally Posted by The Narrator

Not to mention they're on very good terms with Anderson, and they have been since 1999.

if anderson's movies make enough money for some lesser known movies from other directors its probably fine if these spot dont go to someone else.

are the hitchcock movies that criterion did release avaible in boxsets of other labels?

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by Mansinthe

if anderson's movies make enough money for some lesser known movies from other directors its probably fine if these spot dont go to someone else.

On the bright side, Life Aquatic is the only Anderson title left they haven't released on Blu-ray so once that inevitable upgrade is announced, I just have to hope that the rights for all of his future films are taken by some other distributor.