4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

But beating being announced at TSC (acronym explained on the last page) is Theatrical HDR teaser info regarding the cities of LA, KC, Houston and HotLanta…
http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/9/837...aser-projector

What will that first DV-graded HDR feature film be?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Unfortunately though, the YouTube video (shot with a Sony Action Cam mini) doesn’t do justice to what the eagle is actually seeing as it descends to locate its handler, for dem birds have rather enviable eye anatomy as compared to us humans -
http://www.clspectrum.com/content/ar..._a12_fig03.jpg
http://www.matheson-optometrists.com...oct_normal.jpg

A topic perhaps for another day.
Folks, keep dem eyes safe this Easter Holiday….always wear proper eye protection.

Regarding the above ^, PM's received from several members asking what exactly be dem jpeg's representative of? Well, zee later shows the macula of a human eye with a normal foveal pit (Ques.: Do eagles have more than one fovea?)

The first jpeg images human corneal topography...where the eagle again beats the best of us vision-corrected humans.

For those single youngins traveling on thru California on the way to NAB 2015, a word of warning. Don't Stop at

Eagles - Hotel California (Lyrics) - YouTube

[spectre08]

Godzilla (1998) is on netflix in 4K now. I don't know how long it's been there, but I just noticed it today.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by spectre08

Godzilla (1998) is on netflix in 4K now. I don't know how long it's been there, but I just noticed it today.

I'm amongst the few that prefer the 98 film over the 14 one, but until Netflix provide proper 4k(HDR,HFR et al) I have no interest, their catalogue is piss poor at best as well, now if you had said Godzilla 1998 now available on Ultra HD Blu-Ray then I'm in.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

I'm amongst the few that prefer the 98 film over the 14 one, but until Netflix provide proper 4k(HDR,HFR et al) I have no interest, their catalogue is piss poor at best as well, now if you had said Godzilla 1998 now available on Ultra HD Blu-Ray then I'm in.

have you even watched any of their content?

also, considering that Godzilla was shot at 24fps on 35mm, I don't see what benefit you're expecting from HDR and HFR.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

I'm amongst the few that prefer the 98 film over the 14 one, but until Netflix provide proper 4k(HDR,HFR et al) I have no interest, their catalogue is piss poor at best as well, now if you had said Godzilla 1998 now available on Ultra HD Blu-Ray then I'm in.

Name four films shot at 4k with hfr and hdr that are not Peter Jackson movies

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by spectre08

have you even watched any of their content?

also, considering that Godzilla was shot at 24fps on 35mm, I don't see what benefit you're expecting from HDR and HFR.

All movies will benefit from HDR, especially film. The dynamic range of film is significantly higher than what you see with a SDR HDTV.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by singhcr

All movies will benefit from HDR, especially film. The dynamic range of film is significantly higher than what you see with a SDR HDTV.

Depends on how they were shot

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Depends on how they were shot

and how the negative was procesed

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by spectre08

have you even watched any of their content?

also, considering that Godzilla was shot at 24fps on 35mm, I don't see what benefit you're expecting from HDR and HFR.

I have probably had and got rid of and then got back to subsequently get rid of again Netflix way before you. I watched the few films I had interest in and quickly realised that I didn't need to be hooked up matrix style to Hollywood.

As for HFR you may have a point but when it comes to HDR I win. Film captures what's there and that's you're answer as to why. Films shot digitally loose out more with HDR than film.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

I have probably had and got rid of and then got back to subsequently get rid of again Netflix way before you. I watched the few films I had interest in and quickly realised that I didn't need to be hooked up matrix style to Hollywood.

As for HFR you may have a point but when it comes to HDR I win. Film captures what's there and that's you're answer as to why. Films shot digitally loose out more with HDR than film.

Nope, depends on how the negative was processed in post.
Not all films will benefit with HDR and nothing should be converted without director's or cinematographer consent or supervision.

I wear my Netflix hat while watching

[Penton-Man]

Last time I checked in this thread was in the 880,000s viewership range and now I notice it’s in the 890,000s and quickly approaching 900,000 Views - https://forum.blu-ray.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24

Somebody’s been busy reading here.

Must be all those in-the-closet soccer fanatics like Peter and Adrian keeping up to date with the 4K football/soccer news.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

the Technology Summit on Cinema (TSC) portion of NAB 2015

NAB SMPTE 2015 Bill Mead Digital Cinema Intro - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Sony did a short spiel on HDR during their press conference at NAB 2015….



and mentioned the company would be launching a new Bravia HDR consumer 4k TV later in 2015.

[Penton-Man]

Bloodline TV series available vis-à-vis Netflix in 4K…. http://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/...rama-march-20/

[Penton-Man]

Daredevil TV series available vis-à-vis Netflix in 4K…http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3322312/...ef_=tt_dt_spec

[Penton-Man]

Why am I so upbeat about Netflix today?.... http://www.marketwatch.com/story/net...ers-2015-04-13

Because I didn’t –

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Sell some of that Netflix stock...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

positive comments from Daredevil director LLoyd about OLED and its display capabilities and not being restricted to LCD limitations on grading content:
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/tel...mazing-1290695

From that techradar reporting…."Generally the way it goes for me in 'network' or 'studio' mode production, when mastering an image, you shoot it, [the] dailies are great, super moody and stylized. We love it," he said. "[We] get to the grade, I spend a day with my guy and we color the entire show and everything is great and then invariably [we're told] everything is too dark, [and] we have to go back in and redo it all."

Well, my comment to that ^ (in bold) is that it shouldn’t be “the way it goes”. More complex logistical shows like The Blacklist have been successfully graded without dealing with going back in for such invariable “redos”.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

More positive comments from Daredevil director LLoyd about OLED and its display capabilities and not being restricted to LCD limitations on grading content:
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/tel...mazing-1290695

From ^ Lloyd explained that the Daredevil team was afforded full artistic freedom to shoot the show as they envisioned thanks to OLED”

"Every venue that I go to where I have to present work, I'm in there tweaking the [TV] settings, brightness curve, and everything. This [OLED TV] is just the viewing standard right out of the box."

Hmm, “just the viewing standard right out of the box”. Eh?

So, essentially, in order to get full value out of this “full artistic freedom” process, to be technologically precise, during the mastering of Marvel’s Daredevil, the colorist did not use a LUT to purposely limit the contrast (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ck#post9103476 ) ?

nor, as an alternative solution, the colorist did not manually raise the black level? (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...d#post10536380 )

Interesting decision…..for if what they claim during the marketing event is really true, then there will be no *amazing* picture quality for everyone. You can’t have it both ways….in other words, LCD viewers of the show would be getting the shaft because with the way Display Technology actually works is that shadow detail of ‘Daredevil’ will be poorer (blacks will be washed out) by having been mastered on an *out of the box* pure black OLED, rather than one having either calibration adjustment concession for LCD viewers as I described above, something which is routinely done in post houses on a day-to-day basis due to the overwhelming LCD consumer ecosystem in which we live.

I say interesting because marketing and event salesmanship aside, let’s say, just to throw out some numbers , of 1,000 consumers who are viewing ‘Daredevil’, Netflix would be providing 999 of them (LCD owners) actually a poorer PQ show for the sake of better PQ experienced by that 1 economically-privileged OLED owner viewing ‘Daredevil’.

That’s really a pretty bold move , but I must say I’m a little bit skeptical of the claims and it’s more plausible that Netflix simply allowed him to shot the show as dark as he desired, but it was still graded on an OLED probably either with a manually raised black level or utilizing a lowered contrast ratio LUT for the sake of Netflix subscribers viewing Daredevil with LCD tvs.

But…..on the other hand , if in fact consumers are “just the viewing standard right out of the box”, I could see how the vast majority of LCD owners watching that show, or at least the episode(s) that Mr. Lloyd was given “full artistic freedom” would not appreciate or be bothered by how this purported production process has adversely effected what they are seeing since they could be so engrossed in watching the episodes rather than critically evaluating picture quality.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Mark Henniger's report on the Apr 9 event in NY with LG, Netflix . Several Youtube videos included. Very informative. This one, mentioning HDR implies that the 65EG9600 is HDR, or at least LG's current version of HDR pending a standard being established, and that Daredevil is graded for HDR per the comments by LLoyd, the Director of Photography:

LG/Netflix Panel Discusses OLED and HDR - YouTube

My Lord, “the 3-letter fictitious concept that’s in the planning stages right now…”

Whoa, that sounds rather dismissive of HDR, especially of the BDA’s standards work already publically announced in promising to offer to Ultra HD Blu-ray adopters a generic, mandatory signaling system for HDR which is quite revolutionary in and out itself along with supporting two optional solutions (Dolby and Philips)…..not to mention the SMPTE working group studying “the 3-letter fictitious concept” proposals by NHK, Technicolor, Philips, the BBC and most recently, a tone mapping submission from Disney… proposals which hopefully will be summarized in a report in time for the next IBC.

Also, at least the way I’m hearing that short YouTube clip, I believe that Lloyd, the DP, isn’t claiming ‘Daredevil’ was graded for HDR; but rather, that it was shot and graded for ‘OLED’, as I described in my post above. At this time LG et al. are actually trying to make a fine differentiation between the two, which is probably because Samsung (an LCD tv manufacturer) beat LG to the punch with their own HDR solution…not waiting on any *standards having been set*….which anyway should be supported with a firmware upgrade or, at most, with a new one of their open connect boxes that they sell for future proofing.

I suspect that when LG implements some type of HDR solution that it will become more marketing supportive of HDR. The question then becomes will OLED with HDR capability succeed in the long term against all other manufacturers churning out a plethora of higher nit LCD(LED) TVs with HDR? Over the course of time, Joe and Jane consumer will determine that based upon picture quality and pricing.