4K Movies Releases

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Lucas's biggest mistake was the cameras they shot clones with

No, the biggest mistake was the whole trilogy IMO.

[dvdmike]

There is nothing wrong with digital editing and the work he pioneered with editdroid

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

There is nothing wrong with digital editing and the work he pioneered with editdroid

I mean the films themselves!

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

There is nothing wrong with digital editing and the work he pioneered with editdroid

the problem with digital editing, especially at 2K, is that you're throwing away a huge amount of picture information. Not just resolution, but also highlight and lowlight detail. 4K DI at least is a huge improvement, but still limited.

[Geoff D]

Again with this bullshit that the spatial resolution is somehow linked to the dynamic range of an image. It's not.

[img eL]

These aren't the editdroids you're looking for.

[Geoff D]

Indeedy.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Again with this bullshit that the spatial resolution is somehow linked to the dynamic range of an image. It's not.

Correct. The only thing that is remotely true about this is that an increase in resolution typically accompanies a new color space standard.

(i.e. SDTV has Rec 609, HDTV has Rec 709, UHDTV has Rec 2020 and HDR).

However, the main point is that resolution does not equal dynamic range. You could have a 4K video file with 609 color space and a 720x480 image with Rec 2020 color space, if you wished to.

[Richard Paul]

Several companies have published a document on HDR at the recent HEVC meeting. It lists several consumer displays that have been tested with HDR video and links to a document on the BDA website for Ultra HD Blu-ray. I think this is the first detailed document from the BDA on how HEVC video will be encoded for Ultra HD Blu-ray.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by spectre08

and Lucas still needs to be tarred and feathered

Hey, he’s not that bad ...
http://int.soccerway.com/players/geo...s-coser/63975/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

Several companies have published a document on HDR at the recent HEVC meeting. It lists several consumer displays that have been tested with HDR video and links to a document on the BDA website for Ultra HD Blu-ray. I think this is the first detailed document from the BDA on how HEVC video will be encoded for Ultra HD Blu-ray.

I can just envision bloggers from other home theater sites struggling with trying to figure out how to reword/rework some of the technical info from the links which you’ve supplied….and do it all in a fashion where it isn’t excruciatingly obvious that they read it here first….in order for them not to give the Tech forum of Blu-ray.com due credit.

Believe me, this thread didn't blast thru the 1,000,000 viewership mark solely due to Blu-ray.com membership readers or football/soccer fanatics.

[Geoff D]

I'll start them off: "It has just been revealed to us by our sources...."

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

On a historical note as to how it all began - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ne#post9213621

Re: Visual effects ^

When I get a little more time to write, perhaps I’ll elaborate on the details of what this statement…“The movie was finished in 4K, including all of the visual effects.” ( http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...ad-bird-800597 ), really meant/involved, technically, and which was not covered in this other fine article about the Tomorrowland movie making - http://www.artofvfx.com/?p=12138 .

Because to resolution purists interested in the workflow(s) of all the vfx shots, that visual effects comment in THR may need a little clarification.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'll start them off: "It has just been revealed to us by our sources...."

Long before it becomes *o-fficial*, we inform people the way it is, e.g. no 48fps with Ultra HD Blu-ray not succumbing to what folks would like to hear or providing kindling for endless speculation in order to bring in advertising dollars.

Plus, yous gets real world behind the scenes Hollywood tidbits from time to time.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Re: Visual effects ^

When I get a little more time to write, perhaps I’ll elaborate on the details of what this statement…“The movie was finished in 4K, including all of the visual effects.” ( http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...ad-bird-800597 ), really meant/involved, technically, and which was not covered in this other fine article about the Tomorrowland movie making - http://www.artofvfx.com/?p=12138 .

Because to resolution purists interested in the workflow(s) of all the vfx shots, that visual effects comment in THR may need a little clarification.

So continuing from the above ^, the workflow was shot specific. Many vfx shots demanded 4K detail to look the best they could, so the *process* was 4K all the way through, e.g. the elements were produced in 4K, the renders were rendered in 4K and they were output in 4K.

Although, for some shots, the elements were built in 2K, then up-rezed to 4K and then output to 4K. Begs the question…Which shots and how was it determined whether to do an up-rez phase rather than a ‘pure’ 4K process all the way through to final output? Well, shots with motion or those that were dark had their elements built in 2K and up-rezed to 4K because side-by-side testing with observers sitting very close to a big screen determined that viewers couldn’t tell the difference with such fast motion or light deprived shots.

So, to the original comment in The Hollywood Reporter, yes, the movie was finished in 4K, including all the visual elements….but some had a pure 4K process all the way through; whereas others were up-rezed and output in 4K……which is not necessarily a bad thing….and very practical.

[Geoff D]

As always with VFX: the right approach for the right shot should be the way to do it, as the human eye can still be fooled no matter how smart or clued in the audience think they are.

[Penton-Man]

Follow-up from last February - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post10446921 , which, by the way, since the time of that post, the studio finally updated the Tech specs to now list it as having undergone a 4K DI, which originally was not revealed back in Feb. to imdb readers.

So, on to the specs of 4K DCP for
Magic Mike XXL

Image Format: 4096x1716 (Scope)
Audio Format: 5.1
Feature Run Time: 1:55:06
File Size: 170.5 GB

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

Several companies have published a document on HDR at the recent HEVC meeting. It lists several consumer displays that have been tested with HDR video and links to a document on the BDA website for Ultra HD Blu-ray. I think this is the first detailed document from the BDA on how HEVC video will be encoded for Ultra HD Blu-ray.

There’s a new input document (posted today….well I guess yesterday, based on GMT) for the Warsaw meeting regarding reported/alleged deficiencies with transfer functions….manifesting itself as noise. A bit esoteric, but an indication of the depth of study by the investigators/developers.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

new input document

^ titles...'HDR Workflow precision and steps'

[Richard Paul]

After looking over the proposals at the current HEVC meeting there does seem to be two issues with SMPTE 2084 HDR. The first is that the combination of SMPTE 2084 HDR and 4:2:0 chroma subsampling causes blockiness in some HDR video. Preprocessing of the video can help to reduce that blockiness. The second issue is that SMPTE 2084 is good at capturing noise which can cause a large increase in bit rate. Noise reduction of the video will likely be common with SMPTE 2084 HDR since it would keep the bit rate reasonable. Since the two issues can mostly be worked around with video preprocessing it seems like most of the companies are okay with it.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

^ titles...'HDR Workflow precision and steps'

The Movielabs HDR workflow document looks like it was written as a defense of SMPTE 2084 HDR but gives a good explanation on dynamic range and noise.