4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

When we’re serious and analytical...

When we’re not, we’re having fun ….. http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/ry...ed-for-/395355
Will it or won’t it be captured with high K cameras?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Dolby CMU

To ease mike’s mind, SDR is not yet completely obsolete. From the workstation -

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Absolutely NOTHING wrong with not liking something. I don't have a single issue with your dislike of HDR. Currently I am not the biggest fan either because I am a front projection enthusiast and HDR is definitely NOT being aimed at that sort of playback, and HDR10 only makes it harder (Dolby Vision would actually make HDR implementation on projectors much easier to deal with).

But not liking something is different than saying one form of HDR is better than the other or making statements to that effect when that is simply not the case. It is no way threatens me, but it does point to an underlying issue of misunderstanding the technology. Regardless of whether or not I liked HDR I would want to understand the differences in the available HDR delivery systems and from what I've learned so far there is a pretty substantial difference between HDR10 and DV, with HDR10 essentially being the scraps of DV that Dolby gave out so there was the most basic playback method possible.

None of this is personal Mike, I don't know you so there is no reason for me to take a personal side on this. It is just tech, there are far more important things going on in the world to get personal about trivial stuff like this. So sorry if I offended.

I understand totally, and thanks for the well written reply.
It is not about a misunderstanding of the technology. It's that we need one format at home and Dolby are late out if the gate and unsupported, Dolby provide support to be able to licence the tech out, its all about money.
They are less messed up than the Phillips version, but why do we need 3 versions?
The standard version is fine and more ready supported

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I understand totally....

Not really. I would think true videophiles (mike, you do consider yourself a *videophile*, do you not?) would prefer
elegance over more rudimentary approaches.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Not really. I would think true videophiles (mike, you do consider yourself a *videophile*, do you not?) would prefer
elegance over more rudimentary approaches.

It's another reason to sell more TV's and get people back in cinemas, this format is nothing new in what is is made to do

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It's another reason to sell more TV's and get people back in cinemas

True, but what's wrong with that?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

True, but what's wrong with that?

It's not justification for driving video standards away from how films were originally shot

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

....this format is nothing new in what is is made to do

Hell if it is, it’s a brand new cinematic ecosystem -



which more accurately delivers what cameras have been capturing for years. Sure, if your personal sentiment is to prefer to have it later dumbed down for artistic purposes, that’s your prerogative, but let’s give Directors and Cinematographers the choice of at least being able to start with the least constricted imagery in post compared to in the past.

[dvdmike]

You know what PR is right?

[Penton-Man]

Gotta go...duty (work) calls.
Until then....

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Yes it was agreed not to include ICtCp since it is not yet fully approved in ITU-R, but It was also agreed to issue a Working Draft for the ICtCp aspect.

I think that ICtCp will eventually get added to HEVC and this will give them plenty of time for testing.

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Problem is we get to open standards and Uncompressed audio and they want something they can patent, it's that simple.
They are irrelevant bar their shareholders and them needing to make money.
And people ***** at Sony and proprietary formats....

Color TV, multi-channel audio, DVD, HDTV, and Blu-ray were also created to make money. This overview of ICtCp explains that for color encoding 10-bit ICtCp is almost as good as 12-bit YCbCr. ICtCp is also much better at separating luma and chroma which means fewer errors with chroma subsampling.

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It's not justification for driving video standards away from how films were originally shot

Even if you dislike HDR wouldn't dynamic metadata be better than static metadata for converting HDR to SDR?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It's not justification for driving video standards away from how films were originally shot

I’m not talking about the regrading of old movies in order to sell new TVs or software. If that’s your point, argue with Francis Ford Coppola.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

You know what PR is right?

Principal Researcher.
Or, how ‘bout Puerto Rico?....been there, done that too.

[Penton-Man]

mike, when we’re discussing serious material topic, this thread is about knowledgeable fair minded analysis. Regular readers/contributors here aren’t naïve enough to fall for marketing ploys like spoiled kids with money burning holes in their pockets. The slides I posted on this and the past pages aren’t hype or marketing fluff, but credible optimization of acquisition -> delivery with solid engineering behind it.

If you want to fairly knock Dolby Vision in some fashion, then yes, I’ll admit that Dolby Cinemas are not perfect….for if a movie isn’t mastered in Dolby Vision but still projected with the Dolby Vision projection system, like many movies currently are at AMC Dolby Cinemas, it can reveal more artifacts (not that a typical theatergoer would probably ever notice), as there are still some post houses which grade with projection systems coming in ~ 2,000:1 contrast ratio which is not ideal for later display by *super charged* Dolby projection systems.

As far as entertainment *PR*, in terms of resolution, you could likewise have knocked many theaters worldwide with Sony 4K projection systems configured like so whether or not they were projecting 3D…..or “4K” 2D movies -

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’m not talking about the regrading of old movies in order to sell new TVs or software. If that’s your point, argue with Francis Ford Coppola.

I have plenty of issues with him

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I have plenty of issues with him

I don’t think he’ll lose any sleep over that.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I don’t think he’ll lose any sleep over that.

He has not met me yet

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

You know what PR is right?

mike, perhaps you forgot thee ‘M’ at the end of ‘PR’ because you’ve never experimented in the DYN operational mode as explained over 2 years ago with regards to colorists pioneering in HDR before the Pulsar became available to outside post houses and long before HDR became the audiovideo discussion flavor (subject) of the day.

Recent Oscar recognition for the team of five Prominent Researchers and engineers….http://blog.dolby.com/2016/02/dolby-...ging-solution/

[jaaguir]

Hi guys

I'm sorry to disturb this thread, I'm way, way over my head here, but Viking posted something here days ago and I wanted to comment on it.

Do you remember the Sony press release listing future catalogue titles that Viking posted here? The usual suspects.
Well, nobody has mentioned this but "Taxi driver" was in the list. That's a Martin Scorsese movie. We all know what an activist he is on film heritage, preservation, and all that stuff. He's quite a vocal guy too. He's alive, he's not David Lean.

Do you believe Sony will release "Taxi driver" with HDR?
If they do, would that mean Scorsese believes HDR is a tool that can be used right? (would this change anyone's stance against HDR?)
If they don't, it will surely mean there will be a line of non-HDR titles released, to everyone's (around here) delight? (considering how panicked some seem to be about HDR-mania and what studios will do)
Could this mark some sort of political divide on when to and when not to?

[Kris Deering]

They released Goodfellas in Dolby Vision via UHD VUDU, so he can't be that opposed to it. But right now there is a VERY limited amount of displays that can even take advantage of DV so you'd be hard pressed to find comments on it.