4K Movies Releases

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by img eL

And I mean 1080P Broadcasts within 1 year, its been over a month since the first approved version of the HEVC codec (Version 1: (April 13, 2013) First approved version of the HEVC/H.265 standard) & its been heavily tested all around since then. We should see cable & satellite using HEVC regularly soon, I expect ATSC to incorporate HEVC officially soon as well. Baltimore is the only area in the United States currently testing 4K broadcasts http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...uhd-dvbt2-fcc/

What's the point in broadcasting if no devices can decode the signal?

You're talking about the replacement of every satellite/cable/OTA box on the market.

It's not like the digital broadcast switchover from NTSC to ATSC which was actually mandated by the government and had to be done.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

What's the point in broadcasting if no devices can decode the signal?

You're talking about the replacement of every satellite/cable/OTA box on the market.

It's not like the digital broadcast switchover from NTSC to ATSC which was actually mandated by the government and had to be done.

Your correct in pointing out why satellite/cable/OTA has boxed themselves into a corner.

Thats why HEVC based streaming supported in new set top boxes will probably obsolete traditional broadcasts. Looking forward to IPTV!

[img eL]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

What's the point in broadcasting if no devices can decode the signal?

You're talking about the replacement of every satellite/cable/OTA box on the market.

It's not like the digital broadcast switchover from NTSC to ATSC which was actually mandated by the government and had to be done.

Currently there are many devices (smart phones, tablets, cable/satellite boxes, etc.) that can decode & transcode HEVC

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Very true.

I'm good to go, just need things sorting

The Smith’s – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...th#post7638213

Have excellent taste in regards to their own entertainment, when not starring in movies -

UEFA Champions League Final 2013 - Will smith with his son Jaden smith - YouTube

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The Smith’s – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...th#post7638213

Have excellent taste in regards to their own entertainment, when not starring in movies -

UEFA Champions League Final 2013 - Will smith with his son Jaden smith - YouTube

I am going to see this movie next week.

[Penton-Man]

Hmm, just a little over an hour after this was posted– https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...th#post7638213

THR comes out with a CineGear/After Earth/4K article - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...k-draws-561643

P.S. Dismal reviews?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

...As for native 4K material, I could only see a difference (much to my surprise) when I was within two feet of the screen. There's a scene on the Sony 4K demo reel where they show a standard and 4K comparison of a newspaper page. The type was much sharper on the 4K, but only when standing very close to the set...

You mean this demo?...https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...xt#post7013360

but for the 65 incher?….(if yes, then…(assuming excellent compression) I would say that based upon scientific testing with over 50 observers you most likely underestimated your viewing distance or didn’t see enough variety of sample material to make a comprehensive analysis….given 20/20 visual acuity.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You mean this demo?...https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...xt#post7013360

but for the 65 incher?….(if yes, then…(assuming excellent compression) I would say that based upon scientific testing with over 50 observers you most likely underestimated your viewing distance or didn’t see enough variety of sample material to make a comprehensive analysis….given 20/20 visual acuity.

Yes, that demo. Accept or reject my conclusion as you wish. As for your "scientific testing", I only accept that if it was blind testing and the observers didn't know what brand or whether the set was 1080p or 4K.

Believe me, I wanted the 4K to look better. But it didn't. Long before this demo, when I stopped by the Sony Showroom to check out the 84" 4K set, I wasn't impressed either. It didn't look bad, but it "felt" the same as my HX929. I was expecting the kind of improvement in overall picture quality akin to seeing a Kuro for the first time. Didn't happen. Maybe next year.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Yes, that demo. Accept or reject my conclusion as you wish. As for your "scientific testing", I only accept that if it was blind testing and the observers didn't know what brand or whether the set was 1080p or 4K...

I deal in science.

Yes, it met your listed criteria. Specifically, I’m referring to the “scientific testing” involving even a smaller-sized display (56”), of arguably lesser quality, where observers could differentiate 4K from HD source at 3½ ft. away (not only 2 ft.)…briefly summarized at ~ the 38’08” mark of the YouTube clip linked to below. Like I said, assuming excellent compression, your personal observation doesn’t fit with the bell-shaped curve in the testing involving over 50 other ‘blinded’ observers.

If I were compelled to guess as to the reason for this discrepancy (assuming you do have normal visual acuity), then the ‘problem’ is/was the compression of the 4K sample content being exhibited, rather than any inherent deficiency of the 4K 65” Sony display itself.

NAB 2013 Wrap Up at SMPTE DC - YouTube

[img eL]

New films if shot digitally should be shot in 8K @ LEAST & projected in 8K @ LEAST. 2013 called they want 8K in theaters!!!!!!!!!!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

My dog preferred the foil wrappers (we hid choc eggs) Had to stop him every time. He was odd, bless him

Passing on the following story...

A man wrote a letter to a small hotel in a Midwest town he planned to
visit on his vacation. He wrote:

“I would very much like to bring my dog with me.
He is well-groomed and very well behaved.
Would you be willing to permit me to keep him in my room with me at
night?"

An immediate reply came from the hotel owner, who wrote:

SIR: "I've been operating this hotel for many years. In all that
time, I've never had a dog steal towels, bedclothes, silverware or
pictures off the walls.
I've never had to evict a dog in the middle of the night for being
drunk and disorderly.
And I've never had a dog run out on a hotel bill.
Yes, indeed, your dog is welcome at my hotel.


And, if your dog is willing to vouch for you, you're welcome to stay here,
too."

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Passing on the following story...

A man wrote a letter to a small hotel in a Midwest town he planned to
visit on his vacation. He wrote:

“I would very much like to bring my dog with me.
He is well-groomed and very well behaved.
Would you be willing to permit me to keep him in my room with me at
night?"

An immediate reply came from the hotel owner, who wrote:

SIR: "I've been operating this hotel for many years. In all that
time, I've never had a dog steal towels, bedclothes, silverware or
pictures off the walls.
I've never had to evict a dog in the middle of the night for being
drunk and disorderly.
And I've never had a dog run out on a hotel bill.
Yes, indeed, your dog is welcome at my hotel.


And, if your dog is willing to vouch for you, you're welcome to stay here,
too."

Good stuff

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by img eL

New films if shot digitally should be shot in 8K @ LEAST & projected in 8K @ LEAST. 2013 called they want 8K in theaters!!!!!!!!!!

There are more important things, for one, namely temporal resolution, from back last Jan. -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ts#post7013442

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

There are more important things, for one, namely temporal resolution, from back last Jan. -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ts#post7013442

Others with similar concerns, contributing on media sites within the past week apparently would seem to agree -
http://advanced-television.com/2013/...-than-120-fps/

[img eL]

Femtosecond 8K!!!

[Steedeel]

Penton man, can we now presume that 4k disc is a non starter? With the streaming/downloading of 4k material it seems that way.

[img eL]

one fpf (frame per femtosecond) would be about right just about enough

[img eL]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Penton man, can we now presume that 4k disc is a non starter? With the streaming/downloading of 4k material it seems that way.

Not with the current internet infrastructure in the U.S. Millions of people streaming 4K movies @ the same time will be a massive traffic jam like never before

[Constitution 101]

Originally Posted by img eL

Not with the current internet infrastructure in the U.S. Millions of people streaming 4K movies @ the same time will be a massive traffic jam like never before

The only reason the infrastructure isn't there is because there's no demand for it yet. Most of the major ISP's have stated they're perfectly capable of(and planning on) increasing speeds as needed, but they plan to roll it out incrementally as the streaming/demand increases. There'd be no traffic jam, that's just something everybody assumes. There'll be no sudden, enormous leap in streaming leaving us w/o enough bandwidth.

[img eL]

Originally Posted by Constitution 101

The only reason the infrastructure isn't there is because there's no demand for it yet. Most of the major ISP's have stated they're perfectly capable of(and planning on) increasing speeds as needed, but they plan to roll it out incrementally as the streaming/demand increases. There'd be no traffic jam, that's just something everybody assumes. There'll be no sudden, enormous leap in streaming leaving us w/o enough bandwidth.

There is traffic jam problems now & oh yes don't forget data caps. Don't think internet service providers will play nice with movie streaming services, internet service providers what to be movie streaming services. Its going to be a mess, movie streaming company's don't want to accept that Internet service providers hold the keys, the gold for the future of movie streaming. Apple, Netflix, Amazon, etc. have to try to be internet service providers as well. Cell phone, cable tv, satellite tv, Apple, Netflix, etc. all vying for the biggest piece of the movie streaming service pie. As a result of all this Blu ray will still be very, very, important to Sony, Netflix, Amazon, XBox, Best Buy. Blu ray is one advantage that Apple does not have, it will be interesting to see if Apple will finally adopt Blu ray when the reality of the problems with internet 4K Movie streaming becomes apparent