4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

...Lets do this correctly please.

And this recent persistence with his (and now some reporters) as to the importance of differentiating *true 4K* from *consumer 4K* by constantly referring to the later as 2160p as if they discovered America or the theory of relativity I find to be quite pompous when this was brought to light a year and a half ago here…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...op#post5724086 as well as probably on other forums like Doom9 or the different vendor color grading-related forums/listservs.

As I previously said to another member, jolie “is 3996p….4K?” https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ie#post7667679

This obsession with whether consumer 4K is really *true* 4K is silly. Is 3656…4K? I ask because Academy 4K (a storage format) is 3656 x 2664.

Is 3.6K …4K? I ask because the working central extraction (from which at least some things were blown-up) for the ‘4K’ motion picture The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was 3600 x 1500 for the ‘4K’ DI.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That's great, cheers.

I’ve been directed to an online archive of a lot of photos. Now I just have to go through a bunch of them to see if my ugly mug is in any of them with Pele during the signing.

So, stay tuned.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’ve been directed to an online archive of a lot of photos. Now I just have to go through a bunch of them to see if my ugly mug is in any of them with Pele during the signing.

So, stay tuned.

Will do.

[Penton-Man]

Meanwhile, for those who are able to access this clip in their region of the world and don’t recognize the significance of *the number 10* to Brazilian history, well - http://espnfc.com/video/espnfc/video?id=1485391&cc=5901

Or, for movie freaks who prefer to read or refer to imdb (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...db#post7766874 ) for all things and don’t know what the hell Stee and I have been yapping about over the past several posts or don’t realize who Pele is/was, this is imdb’s blurb…http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0671446/bio

What does all this Pele/Brazilian football talk have to do with 4K? Well, if the technical (which I spoke about on the last page) and the business side, which involves partners like Sony, FIFA and the World Cup rights holders can work everything out, then World Cup 2014 could become a significant driver for the 4K movement as to recognition by the worldwide public-at-large.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Meanwhile, for those who are able to access this clip in their region of the world...

For those who can’t (perhaps Stee and Tob in the U.K.), seems YouTube is reliable yet again….

The Legendary number 10 - YouTube

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

For those who can’t (perhaps Stee and Tob in the U.K.), seems YouTube is reliable yet again….

The Legendary number 10 - YouTube

Great clip. Remember watching Brazil in the 80's in various competitions and looking forward to them being awarded a free kick. (Except against england.)

By the way, my club apparently close to signing Jozy altidore You seen much of him Penton man? (or anyone else)

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Great clip. Remember watching Brazil in the 80's in various competitions and looking forward to them being awarded a free kick. (Except against england.)

By the way, my club apparently close to signing Jozy altidore You seen much of him Penton man? (or anyone else)

Being an American, I’m a little embarrassed to admit that I don’t follow any American soccer players ….unless they play in the English Premier League and I happen to watch their respective team play (e.g. never seen Hull City play).

The only real exception to that, coincidentally (in regards to your Black Cats) has been that I followed the career of Claudio Reyna since he graduated from THE University…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudio_Reyna

Also, I’m a donor to his foundation… http://www.claudioreynafoundation.org/

I don’t even watch the U.S. National Team play any WCQs, except when they go against Mexico since that’s a rather big rivalry for us Americans. So, I can’t help you out on the Jozy thing.

The American player I admire the most…because of his excellent workman-like quality and skill (relative to other American field players) is without a doubt, Clint Dempsey.

[Penton-Man]

More 4K and sports (keeping in mind tennis doesn’t require nearly the same depth of field [ https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...rs#post7773541 ] as does football….

http://www.insideci.co.uk/news/sony-...oof-fears.aspx

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Being an American, I’m a little embarrassed to admit that I don’t follow any American soccer players ….unless they play in the English Premier League and I happen to watch their respective team play (e.g. never seen Hull City play).

The only real exception to that, coincidentally (in regards to your Black Cats) has been that I followed the career of Claudio Reyna since he graduated from THE University…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudio_Reyna

Also, I’m a donor to his foundation… http://www.claudioreynafoundation.org/

I don’t even watch the U.S. National Team play any WCQs, except when they go against Mexico since that’s a rather big rivalry for us Americans. So, I can’t help you out on the Jozy thing.

The American player I admire the most…because of his excellent workman-like quality and skill (relative to other American field players) is without a doubt, Clint Dempsey.

Claudio was a great pro. Very talented performer and he always seemed like a good guy.
Dempsey seems to have deteriated since moving to Spurs in my opinion.

Jozy altidore has medical tomorrow so it looks like deal is nearly complete. Scored over 50 goals in two seasons in Dutch league and looks strong. I always do my research but just wanted American point of view on him. Will keep you informed of his progress.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

...Dempsey seems to have deteriated since moving to Spurs in my opinion...

The Prem is a tough league. I don’t have to tell you that very few Americans even qualify to be considered….much less chosen/hired to play there. Even fewer (goalkeepers aside) have long-term sustainable careers.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

More 4K and sports (keeping in mind tennis doesn’t require nearly the same depth of field [ https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...rs#post7773541 ] as does football….

http://www.insideci.co.uk/news/sony-...oof-fears.aspx

Just wondering out loud here. As to the statement in the above ^ link …“Yes, our 4K sets are future-proofed. Customers are our number one priority and Sony will provide all the necessary solutions to the 4K TV owner to access future 4K content services once they start in the respective markets.”

Does that *verbal guarantee* (vis-à-vis a reporter) also apply to the K9-4K television at the 2 min. mark of this clip? I don't think any customers (despite what model/style of 4K display) should be excluded.

FIRST LOOK: Animalia lineup of tech for pets - YouTube

[Dragun]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

However, keep in mind, I don’t believe it is totally impossible to get about the same depth of field shots with 4K cameras as you can get with traditional HD broadcast cameras, BUT it is a formidable challenge. Meaning, for field operators, it will require developing a skill (managing camera placement, and especially focus and exposure, in order to produce a similar depth of field to an HD broadcast camera.

Hopefully the light sensitivity of the sensors will improve to the point where they can stop down the lens on these 4K cameras to get a greater depth of field, even though the sensors are larger. Or maybe they can find a way to cram more photosites onto a 2/3" sensor and increase the sensitivity at the same time to reduce noise.

Bigger sensors produce shallower depth-of-field because you have to use a longer lens to get the same field-of-view as you would on a wider lens with a smaller sensor. For example, if you are using a 50mm lens on Super-35, to get the same frame with 65mm camera in the same spot you'd have to use roughly a 100mm lens. That provides the same shot, but with shallower DOF because of the longer lens.

4K has been tried for instant replays so that they can zoom in and still see a clear image:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/2/394...a-game-changer

If we could get 4K security cameras, the cinematic trope of seeing a crystal clear face on surveillance footage zoomed in 1000% could come true!

[Penton-Man]

Sap, this accusation should tickle your fancy, i.e. the demos being *rigged*…. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...r-hd-is-578724

And yet, Arri is in development of a future digital camera capable of at least 4K resolution.

[saprano]

Heh. It more than tickled.

I wouldn't be surprised if that were true. The entertainment industry is a funny, funny business.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

And this recent persistence with his (and now some reporters) as to the importance of differentiating *true 4K* from *consumer 4K* by constantly referring to the later as 2160p as if they discovered America or the theory of relativity I find to be quite pompous when this was brought to light a year and a half ago here…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...op#post5724086 as well as probably on other forums like Doom9 or the different vendor color grading-related forums/listservs.

As I previously said to another member, jolie “is 3996p….4K?” https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ie#post7667679

This obsession with whether consumer 4K is really *true* 4K is silly. Is 3656…4K? I ask because Academy 4K (a storage format) is 3656 x 2664.

Is 3.6K …4K? I ask because the working central extraction (from which at least some things were blown-up) for the ‘4K’ motion picture The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was 3600 x 1500 for the ‘4K’ DI.

All this is true but it's an exception for the theater. Full 4K is 4096x2160. Movie theaters can reproduce that. Anything lower is just a compromise for different aspects ratios and whatever else that happens along the production chain. UHD TV's can never get 4096x2160 hence it's wrong to call it 4K. But i mean i guess it doesn't really matter. 3840 is not a big difference from 4096 and both will still get you over 8 million pixels.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

All this is true but it's an exception for the theater. Full 4K is 4096x2160. Movie theaters can reproduce that. Anything lower is just a compromise for different aspects ratios and whatever else that happens along the production chain. UHD TV's can never get 4096x2160 hence it's wrong to call it 4K....

I suppose that means we can’t refer to 7680x4320 as 8K for short.

But wait, maybe we can….because the DCI hasn’t spec-ed a container greater than 4096x2160 for D-Cinema, so maybe in this case, home theater has first dibs as to what ‘8K’ can refer to.

Originally Posted by saprano

...But i mean i guess it doesn't really matter. 3840 is not a big difference from 4096 and both will still get you over 8 million pixels.

You guess right. And all this video guru/video journalist obsession with people feeling short-changed as regards to consumers getting ‘full’ or ‘true’ 4K is even sillier when you consider some types of camera acquisition (less than 4K) which produce the ‘4K’ images for ‘4K’ D-Cinema are 'lower than' 4096x2160 in the first place.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...2A#post7742627

Never mind the far less than ‘full’ 4K effective resolution of the Red One.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I would love to see that pic. You lucky man

I found it last evening. Now give me a moment to track back to my original post on the topic to include that for context and also give a deserving tip of the hat to the photojournalist who captured it for Newsweek/The Washington Post.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

My last notable *Brazilian experience* was decades ago when I was a young soccer prodigy (at least according to the regional coaches and before I tore the ACLs in both my knees) from the Maryland/D.C./Virginia area which helped enable me to be selected (along with another kid) by the local professional soccer team organization for a photo-shoot with the World’s Greatest Soccer Player of the time (perhaps still?), namely Pele, whom I not only luckily received his autograph, but also had the honor of visiting with for a short while after the match.

Little did I realize that I was actually in the presence of two remarkable people at the time. Pele , of course, and the photojournalist who captured the event for Newsweek and later went on to become a famous White House Photographer …

http://www.cah.utexas.edu/photojourn...ckname=mcnamee

And unfortunately, given how important vision is especially to a photographer, developed age related macular degeneration about 10 years ago. Macular degeneration (at least the dry form)…. http://www.nbcnews.com/health/tiny-t...oss-6C10474402

Anyway, when I get more time, I’ll search to see if a pic of Pele and me is still online so I can provide a direct link. You might like it. It was quite a big deal back in the day (Pele coming to the U.S. on a tour with Santos), at least in the soccer community and I was quite inspired at the time because I knew I was in the presence of a legend but also rather nervous because it was far from a daily occurrence for me to walk onto the pitch of a packed (50-60,000?) D.C. stadium and have his name announced over the loud speakers.

I’m one of the two white boys in this pic taken on the field of D.C. Stadium. Pele is wearing his white kit from Santos (although not visible here, he wore #10 for his club team as well as the National team). For orientation, in the background is the roof of a dugout and a triangular sliver of the shorts/pants of several spectators standing up from their first row seats in the stadium (where you see 'Corbis' stamped on the image)...

http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-ph...-a-fan?popup=1

His autograph on the match program/handbook that day…

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’m one of the two white boys in this pic taken on the field of D.C. Stadium. Pele is wearing his white kit from Santos (although not visible here, he wore #10 for his club team as well as the National team). For orientation, in the background is the roof of a dugout and a triangular sliver of the shorts/pants of several spectators standing up from their first row seats in the stadium (where you see 'Corbis' stamped on the image)...

http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-ph...-a-fan?popup=1

His autograph on the match program/handbook that day…

Wow, that is awesome. I would have that blown up on my wall. Great stuff, thanks for taking the time to show me/us. Classy stuff

[tob]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’m one of the two white boys in this pic taken on the field of D.C. Stadium. Pele is wearing his white kit from Santos (although not visible here, he wore #10 for his club team as well as the National team). For orientation, in the background is the roof of a dugout and a triangular sliver of the shorts/pants of several spectators standing up from their first row seats in the stadium (where you see 'Corbis' stamped on the image)...

http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-ph...-a-fan?popup=1

His autograph on the match program/handbook that day…

lucky man penton