4K Movies Releases

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

If i watch a 4k movie on a 84inch 4k tv will i get black bars on the top and bottom ? (widescreen)

4K has nothing to do with whether or not the black bars are there.
The original aspect ratio of films should and will always be preserved, regardless which resolution and generation of home media is being presented in.

If you don't understand that. Yes, black bars will remain.

[pacman9270]

Originally Posted by BozQ

4K has nothing to do with whether or not the black bars are there.
The original aspect ratio of films should and will always be preserved, regardless which resolution and generation of home media is being presented in.

If you don't understand that. Yes, black bars will remain.

Ditto. Your 4K TVs still come in the 16:9 aspect ratio. 1:78:1 is the other full screen aspect ratio. 1:85:1 will give you skinny black bars. Hardly noticeable.

[DiscoDan]

Sorry to jump into this conversation late, but I finally went to a Best Buy to look at the Sony 4K TV and I have to say the footage was pretty incredible. I'm very excited about 4K now! Really hope a new disc format comes out soon.

[MisterXDTV]

Judging 4K from the demo footage in Store makes no sense....

[Adam_ME]

Originally Posted by DiscoDan

Sorry to jump into this conversation late, but I finally went to a Best Buy to look at the Sony 4K TV and I have to say the footage was pretty incredible. I'm very excited about 4K now! Really hope a new disc format comes out soon.

I've seen the Sony 65" 4K TV a few times at Worst Buy and while the picture is impressive, I'm just not seeing enough of an improvement over 1080p(a reference quality transfer anyway) to warrant 7 grand plus tax. Add to that the lack of content right now and the incomplete specs for the first gen 4K sets(isn't HDMI 2.0 still in the works?), and you better have money to burn if you're gonna be an early adopter in this format.

[DiscoDan]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

I've seen the Sony 65" 4K TV a few times at Worst Buy and while the picture is impressive, I'm just not seeing enough of an improvement over 1080p(a reference quality transfer anyway) to warrant 7 grand plus tax. Add to that the lack of content right now and the incomplete specs for the first gen 4K sets(isn't HDMI 2.0 still in the works?), and you better have money to burn if you're gonna be an early adopter in this format.

The difference isn't quite staggering and I agree it's not worth the current price, but like everything it'll be cheap soon enough. I don't plan on being an early adopter but I am still excited! 4K will be the new normal before long because it's going to be pushed so hard and I'm happy to be pushed. You'll never hear me complain about a TV with higher resolution.

[Flatnate]

Ok admittedly I haven't followed all 80 pages of this thread and the search function isn't yielding much....

But is there a post or link to a site that outlines a list of true 4K theatrical releases with an actual 4K DCP? Example, Skyfall, Samsara, Lawrence of Arabia restoration etc?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

Ok admittedly I haven't followed all 80 pages of this thread and the search function isn't yielding much....

But is there a post or link to a site that outlines a list of true 4K theatrical releases with an actual 4K DCP? Example, Skyfall, Samsara, Lawrence of Arabia restoration etc?

Well, keep in mind that ‘true’ 4K is an idea/phrase which needs some explanation as to significance…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...se#post7870179

That said, the Sony Digital Cinema list is probably the closest to what you are looking for…http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/mkt-dig...maTitles.shtml although it may not be absolutely complete (best to cross-reference with this list especially for classics which received special 4K showings - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ighlight=suits ) and certainly does not include information like that posted on past pages in this thread, such as the format and size of the DCP, e.g. the 2D version of The Smurfs 2 is 3996 x 2160 (4K flat) and 107 GB.

Of note is that Elysium http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...presses-592482 has not been included on the Sony Digital Cinema list….despite being shot and finished at a higher resolution than 2K.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

That said, the Sony Digital Cinema list is probably the closest to what you are looking for…http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/mkt-dig...maTitles.shtml although it may not be absolutely complete

Like for instance, zee Sony Digital Cinema list also does not include The Big Chill which was restored in 4K, the 4K DCP of which is scheduled to be shown at the upcoming TIFF.

As an aside, I think it’s time (30th anniversary and all) for the Blu-ray media edition….so we can nominate it to our List….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ighlight=suits

[Flatnate]

Cool, the Sony site is a good start. I know Lawrence of Arabia got a 4K theatrical run of one night only. I also believe it was shown through Fathom Events. Now, with Sony doing the restoration I was never quite sure why that was or why it is not listed on Sony's site now. Samsara was the other one I know that ran in 4K, but I'm fairly certain that the film was distributed independently, as it only played in a handful of theaters. I'm guessing non Sony distributed 4K theatrical releases are extremely few and far between. In that case, I'm betting that list on the Sony site is probably 90% complete, maybe more.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

Cool, the Sony site is a good start. I know Lawrence of Arabia got a 4K theatrical run of one night only. I also believe it was shown through Fathom Events. Now, with Sony doing the restoration I was never quite sure why that was or why it is not listed on Sony's site now...

Well I haven’t gone through the year-by-year entries because I believe the site is maintained by staffers who would probably have a difficult time in telling you where Sony keeps its DCPs on-the-ready (to have replicated) in case for instance some theater like the Film Forum in N.Y. wants to do a repertory showing of some five year-old motion picture…..and I gol-dang guarantee you that whoever manages that site would be clueless to why Blu-rays can look so lousy when projected with a Digital Cinema projector (other than obviously breaking down the AVC codec beyond a certain screen size) < Topics to be discussed on this thread at a later date when I have more time.

But anyway, it seems the site is not of much value for listing 4K Digital showings of restorations, in general. For instance, is The Sound of Music on there? Probably not, despite its DCP credentials (Image Format: 4096 x 1716 (Scope).

There are also probably some digitally acquired motion pictures that boast 4K deliverables which are on this list - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=220755 but not on the Sony Digital list. For example, just from the top, 11.6 comes readily to mind. Like I said, best to cross-reference with Blu-ray.com for more complete accuracy as to offerings. The weakness (if you will) to our lists is that we don’t really have a category for hybrid acquisitions (film and digitally shot footage contributing to the entirety of the motion picture) so there may be some redundancy or even omissions.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

< Topics to be discussed on this thread at a later date when I have more time.

The later being a bit complicated as, for one, it has to do with Rec709 mastering and gamma, i.e. a Rec 709 master (Blu-ray) projected directly in a Digital Cinema environment usually does not have enough contrast.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, keep in mind that ‘true’ 4K is an idea/phrase which needs some explanation as to significance…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...se#post7870179...

Adding to the phrase ^ "Etc., Etc., Etc….."

Finally (about 2 hours ago) Bryant from Studiodaily posts something about Elysium…”The Epic is a 5K camera, but Elysium shot 3.3K in the end. The scope aspect ratio is 3296×1350 [squeezed down from 3296x2700 when recorded anamorphically] so we worked in 3.3K and upres'd it to 4K.

http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/07/h...orial-and-vfx/

[joie]

I don't think 3840P is 4K. If 3840P is the next standard, consumers will most likely get 4K movies with pixels shaved off the left and right (for things like 2.35:1 that use the full width of a 16:9 display).

4096 - 3840 = 256

It seems that removing 128 pixel columns from each side of a 4K frame is the easiest way to display a frame in 3840P. Of course, someone might come up with a way to squeeze 4096 pixel columns into 3840, but why bugger the image any more than it has to be? It might introduce some new digitalization artifacts.

Anyway, that is what I worry about while waiting for "4K."

edit: Of course, something must already be happening with 2K, because 2048 is not 1920.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well I haven’t gone through the year-by-year entries because I believe the site is maintained by staffers who would probably have a difficult time in telling you where Sony keeps its DCPs on-the-ready (to have replicated) in case for instance some theater like the Film Forum in N.Y. wants to do a repertory showing of some five year-old motion picture…..

Short answer – most first-run stuff is stored on master drives at the entity listed at the very top (and bottom) of the letterhead here….http://digitalcinema.bydeluxe.com/si...est_Letter.pdf

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by joie

I don't think 3840P is 4K. If 3840P is the next standard, consumers will most likely get 4K movies with pixels shaved off the left and right (for things like 2.35:1 that use the full width of a 16:9 display).

4096 - 3840 = 256

It seems that removing 128 pixel columns from each side of a 4K frame is the easiest way to display a frame in 3840P. Of course, someone might come up with a way to squeeze 4096 pixel columns into 3840, but why bugger the image any more than it has to be? It might introduce some new digitalization artifacts.

Anyway, that is what I worry about while waiting for "4K."

edit: Of course, something must already be happening with 2K, because 2048 is not 1920.

We’ve had this conversation before but, I don’t mind repeating it especially since I now notice I misspelled your name (at the time, must have had a pretty woman on my mind [francais]…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ly#post7790463

If you are a worrier, there are better things to be concerned about rather than cropping a few hundred pixels (out of over 8 million) like, for instance….compression, and in that regard, carefully focus on the last two paragraphs here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ed#post7820790

Then scroll down to the bottom of the same ^ page and look at the respective illustrative images in the linked pdf. Point being, there is not that much *headroom* to play around with (i.e. sacrifice) given the narrow difference in resolution between 4K and HD for motion pictures…and if the compression used to deliver 4K content to consumers isn’t near visually lossless, well then, 4K resolution will be of very little visually perceptive increased value (over 1080p) to 2D enthusiasts….once the placebo effect on new owners due to new toy enthusiasm wears off and reality sets in.

Don’t worry about cropping such a small % of total pixels. More useful trivia is that 10086 Sunset Blvd (in West Hollywood) is barely just a warm-up jog down the road from Hef’s mansion containing his Playmates and if you’re not into beautiful women, well then keep in mind that Hef saved the sign in your avatar…http://www.theguardian.com/film/2010...gn-hugh-hefner

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...Finally (about 2 hours ago) Bryant from Studiodaily posts something about Elysium…”The Epic is a 5K camera, but Elysium shot 3.3K in the end. The scope aspect ratio is 3296×1350 [squeezed down from 3296x2700 when recorded anamorphically] so we worked in 3.3K and upres'd it to 4K.
http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/07/h...orial-and-vfx/

“What’s in the bag?”

ELYSIUM - Official Full Trailer - In Theaters 8/9 - YouTube

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

“What’s in the bag?”

ELYSIUM - Official Full Trailer - In Theaters 8/9 - YouTube

Enjoyed District 9. Looking forward to this film. I think the director should be given any future terminator gigs.

[Mansinthe]

trailer looks awesome !

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Mansinthe

trailer looks awesome !

It does. Maybe not as awesome as District 9 but hopefully it will be a match for that film.