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[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

SMPTE

SMPTE’s UHDTV Ecosystem Study Group ( http://www.worldbroadcastingunions.o...e%20(NBCU).pdf ) has recently made its Initial Report available: https://www.smpte.org/uhdtv-report

[keb33509]

So, I'm guessing we may never see HFR 48fps at home. I see they listed 24, 30, 50, 60, and 120, in the specifications. I understand 48 would really be niche, but it would be nice to view everything in its original format. I know, that in itself is already asking for too much.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by keb33509

So, I'm guessing we may never see HFR 48fps at home. I see they listed 24, 30, 50, 60, and 120, in the specifications. I understand 48 would really be niche, but it would be nice to view everything in its original format. I know, that in itself is already asking for too much.

I can do without HFR.

[BozQ]

I can think of a way to make HFR work with current Blu-ray specs. But it's going to need some technical knowledge for the consumer.

Speed up the video to 1080p50, and then encode the video as a 3D SBS flat stream and we as consumers have to switch to SBS mode on our 3DTVs. It's definitely not the most ideal and it's just a workaround until an actual revision of the Blu-ray specs allow it.

I believe HFR 3D and Object Placement Surround Audio is possible on home media. But it definitely requires a larger medium than the current dual layer BD.

[Geoff D]

No HFR 48p? Damn. That was always going to be a long shot, though. There's just not enough content to support it.

[BozQ]

Not until James Cameron pushes for it with Avatar 2. He's one of the very few filmmakers that can make such a thing happen

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Not until James Cameron pushes for it with Avatar 2. He's one of the very few filmmakers that can make such a thing happen

Avatar 2 might be in 60fps.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

Avatar 2 might be in 60fps.

Highly unlikely. For two reasons.

1. It requires a revision of the DCI specifications, something which they are unwilling to do. If any revision is to be made, it would go as far as 4K 3D HFR 48fps. (Can we refer to this as 2160p/48?)

2. It requires a messy pull down (or pull up) to 24fps for 35mm theatrical projection. I know this sounds ridiculous in this age of digital cinema. But it still happens in some places. And James Cameron will definitely not allow this to happen.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Highly unlikely. For two reasons.
1. It requires a revision of the DCI specifications, something which they are unwilling to do. If any revision is to be made, it would go as far as 4K 3D HFR 48fps. (Can we refer to this as 2160p/48?)...

I’m not sure and maybe I misunderstood because I read too quickly, but I think Kris was thinking about the possibility of Avatar2 maybe being mastered in 2K 3D 60fps, which would not require a change in DCI spec.

Originally Posted by BozQ

Highly unlikely. For two reasons.
2. It requires a messy pull down (or pull up) to 24fps for 35mm theatrical projection. I know this sounds ridiculous in this age of digital cinema. But it still happens in some places. And James Cameron will definitely not allow this to happen.

The project is a curious situation in that J.C. still hasn’t committed to which frame rate he will shoot at but, at the same time, hypes (in interviews and at trade show demos) how 60fps is visually superior to 48fps. I mean why do so, if you have no intention at all of using that frame rate for the next Avatar sequel? He and his people of well aware of the difficulty in 60fps -> 24fps.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

2K

Speaking of which, I must give a shout out to dobyblue and other Formula One freaks …..one moment, must search for a lead-in post. I know it's somewhere here in this thread.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I think Formula One in 2160p240 would be very satisfying.

Well, it’s not 2160p240, not even ‘4K’ @ 24fps but rather 2048 x 858; however Doby, it deserves a heads-up shout out to you as a Formula One fan (if indeed you still remain a theater-goer), because unlike, for instance 2001: A Space Odyssey (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1867 )

Rush ( http://variety.com/2013/film/reviews...rd-1200596801/ ) is not mastering nor bit rate encumbered as it measures in at a very respectable 215 gb DCP file size (for a 123min. feature and two trailers) derived from a Arriraw source format and what you’ll pleasantly see (subjective aesthetics aside) is at least very comparable to what the filmmaker intended commercial theatrical audiences to see….unlike with 2001.

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’m not sure and maybe I misunderstood because I read too quickly, but I think Kris was thinking about the possibility of Avatar2 maybe being mastered in 2K 3D 60fps, which would not require a change in DCI spec.

The project is a curious situation in that J.C. still hasn’t committed to which frame rate he will shoot at but, at the same time, hypes (in interviews and at trade show demos) how 60fps is visually superior to 48fps. I mean why do so, if you have no intention at all of using that frame rate for the next Avatar sequel? He and his people of well aware of the difficulty in 60fps -> 24fps.

Exactly. Cameron has spoken about his thoughts behind 60 fps for Avatar 2 many times. http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/new...s-avatar-2.php

[BozQ]

It depends what James Cameron want to focus on. Between breaking technological barrier and expanding the Avatar universe he created.

For the first movie, I think he managed to strike a fair balance, by writing a story that's free of risks, allowing audiences to be absorbed and enjoy true stereoscopic 3D.

I think he's aware that 60fps 3D could be distracting. Any how, I'm keeping a close eye on its development. James Cameron has the ability to break new grounds in cinematic technology. Something I really admire about him.

[Penton-Man]

Yeah, mark me curious as well in exactly how the Avatar HFR eventually pans out. It should be interesting to see if J.C. chooses the easier (and safer) solution, namely, shooting at 48fps or, if he is indeed bold by shooting at 60fps for a feature film of this magnitude (rather than just demos at trade shows)….which certainly would be better, at least for home theater enthusiasts .

Anyway, no matter what the frame rate, despite the forecasts of its demise, 3D still represents big money -
http://www.thewrap.com/movies/articl...asterisk-91866

P.S.
I've admired J.C. since I heard how many hours each and everyday he would stay in the tank (underwater) when they filmed The Abyss. He is certainly no ordinary Director.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

the possibility of Avatar2 maybe being mastered in 2K 3D 60fps, which would not require a change in DCI spec.

And although they are not a requirement of DCI, but so far as D-Cinema upcoming specs from other authoritative organizations are concerned, SMPTE has nearly completed the amendment to ST428-11:2009
( https://kws.smpte.org/kws/public/pro...project_id=118 ) which adds: 2K3D@48fps, 2K3D@50fps and 2K3D@60fps.

Testing has demonstrated that current D-Cinema equipment (well, at least servers including Christie IMB, Doremi IMB, Dolby IMB/Legacy, Qube IMB, Sony, and GDC IMB…..and projectors including Sony, Christie Series 2 and NEC Series 2) can handle 2K 3D @ 60fps (at 500 Mb/sec) with the only potential problem with some systems being subtitles, which could get ironed out by the time Avatar 2 is in theaters, if the motion picture industry truly cares about deaf and hard of hearing folks.

[Mavrick]

I finally got to check out a UHDTV yesterday, it was the Samsung UE55F9000 and the PQ was stunning. I couldn't believe how much detail was on display.

They also had the Sony Bravia KD55X9005 but that was only playing Sky Sports 1 HD and the picture looked really poor, I had hoped the upscaling would have been a bit better than that

[Penton-Man]

I was just emailed this, take note if it (http://www.amazon.com/Madonna-The-MD.../dp/B00DQVSTCG ) applies to anyone reading who is so affected; otherwise, I don’t know anything else about it. Just passing on the email to folks here-

“Full recall of Madonna's MDNA Tour Blu-ray disc will be issued in the US. No other markets will be affected” -
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...4534401&type=1

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

I finally got to check out a UHDTV yesterday, it was the Samsung UE55F9000 and the PQ was stunning. I couldn't believe how much detail was on display.

They also had the Sony Bravia KD55X9005 but that was only playing Sky Sports 1 HD and the picture looked really poor, I had hoped the upscaling would have been a bit better than that

Well Mav, your personal viewing experience is disheartening to me too and I hope it is not exponentially repeated in other parts of the world with other HD source content because my family owns a lot of Sony stock and those sort of disappointing anecdotal experiences by consumers doesn’t help salvation….http://broadcastengineering.com/mobi...rahd-save-sony

And thusly, nor my family’s portfolio.

[Penton-Man]

Speaking of ‘family’ ….can do a tie-in which I had forgotten about as she gave me a heads-up about it several days ago but, I was busy thinking about other D-Cinema things. One moment.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...with the only potential problem with some systems being subtitles, which could get ironed out by the time Avatar 2 is in theaters, if the motion picture industry truly cares about deaf and hard of hearing folks.

Especially if a final proposal, which is expected to be made public in several weeks (regarding the original proposal from 2010 - http://www.ada.gov/anprm2010/movie_c...anprm_2010.htm ) eventually becomes mandate.

Little background…. http://www.coataccess.org/node/10147

*Source credit for the Senate Hearing link with attached video ( http://www.help.senate.gov/hearings/...6-85441c3431e8 ) goes to my younger sister who is a high-powered Washington attorney (which for one thing means she gets to regularly dine at better restaurants than me )….and graduate of Georgetown Law .