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Old 09-11-2008, 09:59 PM   #341
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You can thank the foreign new car buyers for that. It wont be long before we have millions out of work right behind them......Yes millions because as we lose jobs in the manufacturing sector that spending power dries up. That directly effects the small business owners in this country. Remember this when your neighbor loses his job, then another neighbor, then another.
Its already happening. If you think the economy is bad now just wait until the big 3 fall.
You are just a broken record preeching to a brick wall

people well buy from where they want, no sense in sitting here saying the same thing over and over and over and over again

i am not going to just throw my money around just because its the "right thing to do' i want quality when i buy expensive stuff

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Old 09-11-2008, 10:02 PM   #342
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I am at work, I don't have time to go surfing the internet to find your damn proof. I'm towing the line enough as it is frequenting this forum daily. And to say "this is just too stupid to reply to", and then to reply, is in itself quite stupid.
But to simply say that you think you remember reading something False IS ignorant. What you said is at the root of the whole problem. there is nothing wrong when you keep these uninformed thoughts private. But to spread a very unfare and untrue rumor that perpetuates an already big problem then it really is "too stupid to reply to"............Even though I replied.
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:03 PM   #343
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too all respect to you tracy and your family, but IF american companies made better, flashier, more reliable cars then more people would considered. but american cars are crap. hey, atleast you can sort of considered mazda somewhat american..lol..

No offense Mel, but are you American? Your english is a little hard on the eyes...
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:08 PM   #344
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You are just a broken record preeching to a brick wall

people well buy from where they want, no sense in sitting here saying the same thing over and over and over and over again

i am not going to just throw my money around just because its the "right thing to do' i want quality when i buy expensive stuff
I'm going to give you an advanced "I told you so" now....... When, in the not distant future you are trying to console your child or grandchild because they "just cant seem to find a good paying job anymore." I want you to remember this conversation. I'm done.
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too all respect to you tracy and your family, but IF american companies made better, flashier, more reliable cars then more people would considered. but american cars are crap. hey, atleast you can sort of considered mazda somewhat american..lol..
ford owns 20 percent, bout as american as mazda is lol

this thread is way out of hand tho. as for buying american only...its the big 3s fault and only their fault that the american auto industry is the way it is. and while gm seems to be changing its ways, with korean cars starting to make an impact, expect one of the 3 to disappear
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:11 PM   #346
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But to simply say that you think you remember reading something False IS ignorant. What you said is at the root of the whole problem. there is nothing wrong when you keep these uninformed thoughts private. But to spread a very unfare and untrue rumor that perpetuates an already big problem then it really is "too stupid to reply to"............Even though I replied.
I understand. But the tone of my post was questioning, I was looking to see if that information was true of if I misremembered (a recent political term!) the article. It was a couple years ago, and I figured someone might remember the details. My memory fails me more & more lately!
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:11 PM   #347
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You are just a broken record preeching to a brick wall

people well buy from where they want, no sense in sitting here saying the same thing over and over and over and over again

i am not going to just throw my money around just because its the "right thing to do' i want quality when i buy expensive stuff
Exactly............
Now I'm done.
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:13 PM   #348
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Exactly............
Now I'm done.
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:19 PM   #349
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I'm going to give you an advanced "I told you so" now....... When, in the not distant future you are trying to console your child or grandchild because they "just cant seem to find a good paying job anymore." I want you to remember this conversation. I'm done.
I know where you are coming from dude, but the world is changing and our kids have got to be educated. No more high-paying jobs straight out of high school. Education, education, education. It's the key to the future. My husband lost his job in the automotive industry 4 years ago. Luckily for him he's a highly skilled machinist and was able to make a quick and smooth transition into a new place of employment. The unskilled guys on the assembly line aren't so lucky. Education, education, education. It can't be said enough. Put your kids through college so they have a secure future.
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:23 PM   #350
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I know where you are coming from dude, but the world is changing and our kids have got to be educated. No more high-paying jobs straight out of high school. Education, education, education. It's the key to the future. My husband lost his job in the automotive industry 4 years ago. Luckily for him he's a highly skilled machinist and was able to make a quick and smooth transition into a new place of employment. The unskilled guys on the assembly line aren't so lucky. Education, education, education. It can't be said enough. Put your kids through college so they have a secure future.
exactly

i was working at the power plant for awhile doing some labor work, lost my job due to budget cuts, but due to my education i was quickly able to get a higher paying job in my field
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:28 PM   #351
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I know where you are coming from dude, but the world is changing and our kids have got to be educated. No more high-paying jobs straight out of high school. Education, education, education. It's the key to the future. My husband lost his job in the automotive industry 4 years ago. Luckily for him he's a highly skilled machinist and was able to make a quick and smooth transition into a new place of employment. The unskilled guys on the assembly line aren't so lucky. Education, education, education. It can't be said enough. Put your kids through college so they have a secure future.
Wait wait just one more........

Education is the key. I agree. But what are our kids going to do with this $200,000-$300,000 degree when there arent any jobs to be found. Not everyone can be a doctor and lawyer, like me . We need these manufacturing jobs along with the intelectual ones. All I'm asking is to give American made another shot. I used to wonder who was spreading all this "American made is junk". I no longer wonder...........Its us Americans. Look at the comments here for your best example........
Offically done.

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Wait wait just one more........

Education is the key. I agree. But what are our kids going to do with this $200,00-$300,000 degree when there arent any jobs to be found. Not everyone can be a doctor or lawyer, like me . We need these manufacturing jobs along with the intelectual ones. All I'm asking is to give American made another shot. I used to wonder who was spreading all this "American made is junk". I no longer wonder...........Its us Americans. Look at the comments here for your best example........Offically done.
Like they say: "Ignorance is bliss".......
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:36 PM   #353
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Wait wait just one more........

Education is the key. I agree. But what are our kids going to do with this $200,000-$300,000 degree when there arent any jobs to be found. Not everyone can be a doctor and lawyer, like me . We need these manufacturing jobs along with the intelectual ones. All I'm asking is to give American made another shot. I used to wonder who was spreading all this "American made is junk". I no longer wonder...........Its us Americans. Look at the comments here for your best example........
Offically done.
you well be back

just stop saying you are done.there is a reason americans are spreading this info.

there are plunty of well paying jobs, there is also sports
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:48 PM   #354
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Well, I did do a search for this and did not get anything so, the thread is self explanatory. What do you drive?
I drive an 05 EVO VIII and i love the performance, but HATE the maintenance.
My wife drives an 07 civic SI.

Tried to get into racing a few years back but it is TOO expensive. Mostly just autocross which is ALOT of fun. If you got pix, post them. No offense, but I do not want this thread to go to the " what is your dream ride",unless you do drive it. I guess I just want to see who the car guys and girls are here. Ive seen a few profiles stating they like hondas, I assume for performance.
same as yours but an 03



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At Witz’ End: What’s an American Car?
Where it’s assembled is irrelevant.

by Gary Witzenburg


(2007-02-27)
So what is an "American" car?
If it is simply one built inAmerica, as most foreign makers and U.S. media would have you believe, then vehicles built in Canada are Canadian, those assembled in Mexico are Mexican and Porsches built in Finland are Finnish.

But we know intuitively that's not the case. And yet in this global age of autos, some people insist on sticking to the idea of purely "American," or "German," or "Japanese" cars - when in many cases, today's vehicles are polyglots, products of the same global industry.

But that doesn't change the political nature of the question.

Say General Motors decides to build Chevrolets in Japan . If the cars are competitive (could happen), that might make sense to escape expensive barriers the Japanese government puts in the way of imported vehicles to protect its own automakers.

So GM buys some land outside Nagoya , builds a plant and hires some local workers and managers to run it. Say it builds a GM Powertrain plant next door, hires more locals and - since it would be cheaper to source parts and components locally than import them - sources most of them with Japanese suppliers. Say it starts cranking out enough appealing and carefully assembled cars to put a meaningful dent in the Japanese market.

This would be good for the local economy in and around Nagoya. However, assuming that the Japanese new-car market was not growing, it would displace sales of cars built by weaker Japanese makers and hurt employment elsewhere in Japan. And as those companies' sales and shares declined, the jobs displaced would not be limited to factories; a lot of better, higher-paying headquarters jobs would be lost as well, most of them in and around Tokyo.

Would the Japanese people and media see this displacement, and net loss, as okay because "home-built Chevrolets are as Japanese as anything from our own makers"? Would they see profits from increasingly popular Japan-built Chevys going back eastward across the Pacific as okay for their own (currently struggling) economy? What do you think? MORE--


Protection or barrier?

Let's carry this scenario a few steps further: Say GM's success with its first Japanese plant and its growing penetration of the Japanese market leads it to build more plants there. Say Ford and Chrysler Group follow, and their American suppliers are encouraged to build parts plants there to support them…and to win business away from Japanese suppliers.

Japan 's highly protective government, of course, would never allow any of this to happen. And even if it did, few highly nationalistic Japanese would buy American-brand vehicles at the expense of their own coveted makers regardless of where they were built.

But say, just for a moment, that they would. Would those Japan-built cars and trucks - most designed and developed in North America -- qualify as "Japanese?" Would those parts built in American-owned Japanese plants be considered "Japanese?" Would the assembly and sales of those vehicles in Japan be perceived as good for Japanese jobs and the Japanese economy? Could their U.S. makers get away with advertising them as such? Would the Japanese media endorse and recommend them as such? What do you think?

So why has exactly this scenario evolved in the U.S.A., where nearly every Japanese automaker and some Europeans and Koreans assemble cars and trucks for the American market and beyond? Because, once import vehicle makers began achieving serious penetration of this market during the fuel-crisis 1970s, our government essentially forced them into it by imposing quotas on imported vehicles. Because our domestic makers during the 1980s and '90s were not especially worthy of protection. Because enlightened off-shore makers saw huge PR and some business benefits in building vehicles here despite our much higher business costs. And because our governments (federal and especially state and local) and most media encouraged, enabled and welcomed them here as job "creators." MORE--


Job creation - or job death

What they did not see, or chose to ignore, is that "creation" of a few thousand plant jobs here and there would eventually destroy many more and better jobs elsewhere. So while some (mostly southern) states continue to battle each other with big incentives to attract new foreign-maker plants to gain two or three thousand jobs, other (mostly northern) states lose tens of thousands. While import companies will "create" about 3000 U.S. jobs in 2007, raising their total to 106,000, U.S. automakers will lose nearly 43,000 this year, falling to about 378,000, according to Jim Doyle, president of the Washington, DC-based Level Field Institute, which tracks and reports auto-company U.S. employment.

Doyle further predicts that U.S. industry-job losses will total some 95,000 (from 2005 employment) by 2010, and even then the three U.S.-based companies will employ 71 percent of all American auto workers - four times more per car sold than Hyundai, 2.5 times more than Toyota, and nearly twice as many as Honda. "Reporters tend to focus on plant jobs and miss the headquarters jobs," Doyle asserts.

"Foreign automakers spend millions around the country promoting their new plants and U.S. investment," he says. "We welcome their investment, but Americans should know that each Ford, GM, or Chrysler Group purchase supports nearly 2.5 times the number of U.S. jobs of foreign automakers, on average."

What's more American?

Some say a Japanese car bolted together in America with a fair amount of U.S. content is more "American" than a U.S.-brand car assembled in Canada or Mexico with some foreign-sourced parts. Nonsense! Ask yourself, again, where are the bulk of the better jobs and where do the profits go? DaimlerChrysler's Chrysler Group, by the way, still qualifies as "American" because it is an entire self-contained car company based in America and employing tens of thousands of Americans at all levels that happens to be owned by a German company, just as Opel is a self-contained German company owned by General Motors.

"Toyota spends huge sums of money promoting the idea that they 'support' 368,000 U.S. jobs," Doyle says, "but those include supplier, dealership and other peripheral jobs. Using the same multiplier, GM supports 1.9 million U.S. jobs and Ford 1.2 million. Toyota also says it builds here most of the vehicles it sells here. That may be its eventual intent, but Automotive News reported that 48 percent of the vehicles Toyota sold here in 2006 were imported.

"Is it more important to the U.S. economy for someone to buy a Ford Fusion, although it's built in Mexico, from a company that employs 105,000 Americans," Doyle asks, "than a Honda built in Ohio from a company that employs 27,000? Domestic makers also purchase nearly 80 percent of the parts made here, and domestic vehicles average 76 percent U.S. content vs. 48 percent for U.S.-built imports. That represents billions of dollars in spending."

No, an "American" car or truck is one built by a U.S.-based company that supports primarily U.S. jobs and the U.S. economy, regardless of its parts content and especially its point of assembly.

And should Americans buy "American" out of patriotism. No, but they should carefully consider U.S.-brand vehicles - now that most are competitive or better in design, engineering, quality, and fuel economy - out of their own economic self-interest. Because whatever business they are in, every time "Detroit" and its struggling U.S. auto suppliers shed another 10,000, or 20,000, or 30,000 American workers, that multiplies to hundreds of thousands who can no longer afford whatever goods or services their own employers sell.
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Good god, this thread grew to nine pages in a matter of minutes!

I drive a 2007 Honda Civic Coupe, white, tint, all factory specs. I like it. I will post a pic later on when I get around to taking it.
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Old 09-11-2008, 11:30 PM   #358
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Good god, this thread grew to nine pages in a matter of minutes!

I drive a 2007 Honda Civic Coupe, white, tint, all factory specs. I like it. I will post a pic later on when I get around to taking it.
Dont you hate when Threads get jacked with peoples personal agendas
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we need a bit of clean up here
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Just throwing my bit in. American cars, in many instances, have met or surpassed the reliability of many foreign car makers. My reason for not buying an American car is that they can't seem to make anything interesting that doesn't cost 40k+ and get more than 13 mpg. For that much there are plenty of choices that get you performance, luxury, and economy from foreign companies. Couple that with the fact that they depreciate by about half in two years and it's not a very attractive package. I honestly can't think of a sub 40k American car that I would want to drive.
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