"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[Jeff Kleist]

Oh, and according to the famously reliable IMDB, he was a bloody camera op at the Beatles' Shea Stadium!!! Man, I'd LOVE to hear stories behind THAT little gig.... Has the sound of screaming subsided in the last half decade?

There is a Beatles confirmed authentic "realism" mode in Beatles Rock Band where all you can really hear is screaming They said that's what the gig was like, they could barely hear themselves play even with the monitors up to max

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

There is a Beatles confirmed authentic "realism" mode in Beatles Rock Band where all you can really hear is screaming They said that's what the gig was like, they could barely hear themselves play even with the monitors up to max

Oh, you wanna get Beatles nerdy? BRING IT

Yeah, I got really annoyed by people kvetching that this game's not "hard" - not really the point (for this non-gamer). Hell, you want a challenge? Play in the mode where there are no notes, and sing at the same time!

Another fun link about Shea:

http://www.maccafan.net/Gallery/SheaStadium/Shea.htm

"So it was that, amid some secrecy, the Beatles came to CTS Studios in central London on 5 January 1966, to "sweeten" the soundtrack, by whatever means necessary, of their in-production television film The Beatles At Shea Stadium.

The session began with Paul only, overdubbing new bass tracks onto Dizzy Miss Lizzy, Can't Buy Me Love, Baby's In Black and I'm Down. Onto this latter song John also overdubbed a new organ track.



More drastic repair work was then effected by the group as a whole, with entirely new recordings completed for two songs: I Feel Fine (done at George Martin's specific request) and Help! The Beatles strove to re-create a live-concert sound with these recordings rather than their more typical EMI studio feel, and they also had to match carefully their singing and playing with the on-screen images, hence the use of CTS, the premier audio-to-film dubbing studio in London. (CTS is an abbreviation for Cine Tele Sound.) "

(it's on the internet, so might just be true )

The Shea gig used their 100W VOX amps, mic'd into the PA. Every time I dream of being able to see the Beatles (or, for that matter, to have been at Woodstock), I shudder to think at the horrifying quality of production sound back then.

Thank Mr. Townshend for bugging the Marshall corporation to invent the concert stack, allowing for not only one of the finer moments in cinema history ("It goes up to 11"), but for subsequent generations of outdoor concert goers to go deaf in unison, even without 56,000 screaming adolescent girls...

[Jack Torrance]

Originally Posted by Cliff

And for those who wonder, I’m a Blu-ray special features producer.

Welcome, Cliff!

[Jeff Kleist]

Well, I don't ahve the charts memorized, but I could sing the songs cold for the most part

I have all the vocals gold starred except for the McCartney stuff cause he sings every bloody chorus differently.

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Well, I don't ahve the charts memorized, but I could sing the songs cold for the most part

I have all the vocals gold starred except for the McCartney stuff cause he sings every bloody chorus differently.

I don't want to drag this even further off topic, but I'm terifically amused by the "expert" part on "Her Majesty"... A classic example where the Rock Band part is =significantly= harder (and more rediciculous) than actually, you know, playing guitar...

Sgt. Pepper's out 2moro, don't forget

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG-iqVRHCHg#t=8m25s

[Jeff Kleist]

Yeah, Rock Band doesn't usually fall into that trap. Guitar Hero does it constantly. Through the Fire and Flames is a good example.

I'm only cherry picking the songs, all the ones I really want haven't been announced yet like Hey Jude Penny Lane or Yesterday

[Anthony P]

Cliff welcome to the site, loved the post that PM quoted earlier in the thread.

my 2 cents on some of the stuff

1) yes the downfall of AVS hit its stride during the format war, but it started way before that. I know that it might be "elitist" (Isn't that what people use when they don't have a real reason to counter the point that is made) but I think the issue started when they decided they wanted to be #1 and added the HTIB forum, gaming and stuff like that. When I joined in 2001 most of the people where techno geeks that loved to tweek and tried to get the most out of their gear and room. But then it started having more and more people that did not care and just wanted to know an easy answer of "what to buy" this made them easy sheep (don't know anything but an "insider" like Amir said so, so must be true).

2)I disagree that it is just the HDM forums. Even though when I left (2007) the high end projector forum was still mostly good and one of the best forums there, there is a lot of stupidity and BS. Let's face it this particular discussion because of screenshots, and I remember even before the format war started getting in fights with morons that looked through screen shots (pictures taken of the screen) to decide what projector to buy. They could not understand the fundamental principle that when you have two (or more) heavily compressed pictures taken using different cameras by different people of different projectors, showing different movies on different screens in different HTs under different lighting conditions there is very little to compare and impossible to make an informed decision on what projector has a better image. The last thing (if it can be added to the list) that you are comparing is the projectors.

3) I agree with most, spears was always an OK guy, and I don't really remember him pushing VC-1. Icemage maybe you are thinking of Ben W.? now that was an other MS douche that loved blowing smoke up the idiots a$$. The funny thing was that if you go back to 2004 he was AVC on DVD was the perfect thing for HD until MS hired him and "boom" it became VC-1 with 30GB and 25GB too little (even though by some magic reason 15GB was also enough when a combo was released early on) and 50 way too much.

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

They could not understand the fundamental principle that when you have two (or more) heavily compressed pictures taken using different cameras by different people of different projectors, showing different movies on different screens in different HTs under different lighting conditions there is very little to compare and impossible to make an informed decision on what projector has a better image.

...agreed, wholeheartedly, but I've personally never found AVS to be worse than, say, here. Check out any of the, uh, "debates" regarding TrueHD vs DTS-HD MA? Heck, in the threads that Penton kinda kicked off, you have people actually using Tier threads as some sort of objective standard to qualify disparate soundtracks to try and draw technical conclusions. Are these idiocies better or worse than spouting off "mushy DNR" like so many sheep. How many VC1 versus AVC threads were there, purporting to find such and such "compression artifact", promising that we'd be free of such awfulness if we only were free of the "bitrate starved" presentations due to such and such format limitation. Was it all just a consipiracy to make us download in the end, or in fact were people going frame by frame to justify their preferred purchasing decision. Let's not lose in this whole debate where the current practice of screen grabs (or bitrate meters) were/are used by many at this very forum to justify a given position comparing one format to another.

Even today, some of these same people then come here, to this very thread, and decry those that use screencaps to make such and such a point, while still citing Tier threads, or codec disparities (without regard to source, or settings, etc). After all, it's almost all conjecture once we get the consumer product, and even then it's greatly dependent upon the workflow of the technicians involved. Can it honestly be said that there were no "Blu" fanatics that went out of their way to attack any and all things said regarding VC1?

It's all crap, from every side, and while AVS certainly has seen a great decline, let's not lose one key element of Cliff's initiatial post - when even Blu-Ray.com makes AVS look good, a forum where we've seen (mostly in the general threads) some pretty egregious prosletising and pettyness by a vocal minority.

Crap. I got sucked in again. Meh.

[Jeff Kleist]

I never understand why people also use slam bang stuff as their criteria for sound greatness

My demo to show what HD audio can do is the opening scenes in Master and Commander, and the prison camp in Children of Men. The contrasts of going from quiet and environmental stuff (creaks, little things that put you in the environment) to boom goes across the dynamic range (particuarly the latter). The fidelity is incredible and I'll hold those up as the prime examples of lossless any day above most anything else. In compression its all those little things that get tossed away first, and you never miss them till you know they're supposed to be there.

[Deciazulado]

you know, back in the days all HD DVD fanboys always wrote Blu-ray as BluRay on purpose....

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

you know, back in the days all HD DVD fanboys always wrote Blu-ray as BluRay on purpose....

... because it made people not invest in BD?

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Stacey has contributed so much to home video behind the scenes and continues to offer considerably to the Blu-ray format with his outstanding test disc and video expertise.

Speaking of offering to Blu-ray I just received the December issue of “Home Theater Magazine” and it says on the front cover that it contains a Blu-ray Special. Have not had a chance to read any of the articles but it does appear to be a very interesting issue. Kudos to you and HTM for helping to educate and inform about the merits of Blu-ray.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

you know, back in the days all HD DVD fanboys always wrote Blu-ray as BluRay on purpose....

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

... because it made people not invest in BD?

As in "blurry" (blur-ay)

I came up with HD D-E-A-D.

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

you know, back in the days all HD DVD fanboys always wrote Blu-ray as BluRay on purpose....

Please don't equate my inability to conform to the spelling conventions of a neologism with some sort of agenda, even if by implication.

Although, I must say, I hate it when people write "Legos". Eesh.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

As in "blurry" (blur-ay)

Huh. BluRay is not any closer to "blurry" than Blu-ray, for me.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

Although, I must say, I hate it when people write "Legos". Eesh.

I have a strong childhood memory of the back page of every Lego catalog, which featured an impassioned plea to consumers to 'please refer to our products, not as 'Legos', but as 'Lego Brand Construction Playsets'" or words to that effect.

I remember, at seven years old, thinking "Wow, this is pathetic."

[DenonCI]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

Please don't equate my inability to conform to the spelling conventions of a neologism with some sort of agenda, even if by implication.

Although, I must say, I hate it when people write "Legos". Eesh.

My pet peeve is when people type "loosing" for "losing."

"loosing"
adj. loos·er, loos·est
1. Not fastened, restrained, or contained: loose bricks.
2. Not taut, fixed, or rigid: a loose anchor line; a loose chair leg.
3. Free from confinement or imprisonment; unfettered: criminals loose in the neighborhood; dogs that are loose on the streets.
4. Not tight-fitting or tightly fitted: loose shoes.
5. Not bound, bundled, stapled, or gathered together: loose papers.
6. Not compact or dense in arrangement or structure: loose gravel.
7. Lacking a sense of restraint or responsibility; idle: loose talk.
8. Not formal; relaxed: a loose atmosphere at the club.
9. Lacking conventional moral restraint in sexual behavior.
10. Not literal or exact: a loose translation.
11. Characterized by a free movement of fluids in the body: a loose cough; loose bowels.
adv.
In a loose manner.
v. loosed, loos·ing, loos·es
v.tr.
1. To let loose; release: loosed the dogs.
2. To make loose; undo: loosed his belt.
3. To cast loose; detach: hikers loosing their packs at camp.
4. To let fly; discharge: loosed an arrow.
5. To release pressure or obligation from; absolve: loosed her from the responsibility.
6. To make less strict; relax: a leader's strong authority that was loosed by easy times.
v.intr.
1. To become loose.
2. To discharge a missile; fire.


"losing"
adj.
1. Failing to win, as in a sport or game: a losing team; a losing lottery ticket.
2. Of or relating to one that fails to win: a losing season; a losing battle.
n.
1. The act of one that loses; loss.
2. Something lost, such as money at gambling. Often used in the plural.

Sorry for the English lesson

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

I have a strong childhood memory of the back page of every Lego catalog, which featured an impassioned plea to consumers to 'please refer to our products, not as 'Legos', but as 'Lego Brand Construction Playsets'" or words to that effect.

I remember, at seven years old, thinking "Wow, this is pathetic."

I hear "Legos", I think "waffles"... I dunno, "Legos my Eggos"

[Doctorossi]

The internet, in all its glory.

[sharkshark]

Creepy at times, isn't it...