"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Oh... and when the heck is Duke going to release that Isle of Man Blu-ray?

And when are they gonna release that whole season GPs Blu-ray boxset?

Oh, yeah... never.

[Jeff Kleist]

I would have to dispute your claim that DVD18/14 flopped with evidence of Warner Brothers still ordering millions of these discs every year. The point that everyone is missing that even a BD59 will be sold with the extra DVD for downloadable content per AACS spec until managed copy is finalized.

WB owns extensive DVD-18 patents, and they did try to move away from DVD-18 at one point (Dukes of Hazzard is DVD-18s, except for season 4 for example). In fact WB and Uni are the only studios who were ever hot on them for their TV stuff, and Uni abandoned DVD-18 for the most part a few years ago.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

From the SPHE press release:

Deep Inside Penton Man will be released just in time for Christmas!

The new Blu-ray disc was mastered from....

You guys are going to get me into trouble with corporate…….again. Those folks are only slightly less conservative than the Mouse House people.
Time to do a promo to save my butt.
Who is the camera dude in this commercial?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGWCtuRBfo0

All you card-carrying cineaphiles should know the answer, esp. those having a fondness for Geishas or the number Nine.

[Penton-Man]

And in order to get things on this thread moved even further towards a “G” rating (no “spot” puns please), watch this clip and someone send it to Bill(Hunt) and Sarah with the header “For Your Consideration”, since it’s ‘Oscar’ season -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbg9Krr2kZA

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

And when are they gonna release that whole season GPs Blu-ray boxset?

Oh, yeah... never.

I read a while ago that work is being done for Hi-def/wide aspect ratio coverage. IIRC to be ready for 2011. I assume that the "year in review" discs will be Blu for that season and onwards. Especially since Duke has announced their intention to produce Blus.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by downward

I would have to dispute your claim that DVD18/14 flopped with evidence of Warner Brothers still ordering millions of these discs every year. The point that everyone is missing that even a BD59 will be sold with the extra DVD for downloadable content per AACS spec until managed copy is finalized.

Welcome junior member.
One question just so that we know where everyone is coming from.
You don’t per chance work in Olyphant, Pa.?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Thank you for the detailed response on the "capture" portion. Eager to hear more about the transfer portion when you get a chance.

If memory serves, nearly all the original material was transferred with a 1.85 hard matte, except for a sprinkling of early footage that had been captured in 4:3.

There may be some good stuff for you somewhere here –
http://www.sonyclassics.com/ridinggiants/flash.html

[Jeff Kleist]

One question just so that we know where everyone is coming from.
You don’t per chance work in Olyphant, Pa.?

I was wondering the same thing, I was going to watch and wait awhile before saying something though

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

And in order to get things on this thread moved even further towards a “G” rating (no “spot” puns please), watch this clip and someone send it to Bill(Hunt) and Sarah with the header “For Your Consideration”, since it’s ‘Oscar’ season -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbg9Krr2kZA

As a cat lover, I have seen many a cute kitty before, but that behavior is absolutely adorable.

[Jeff Kleist]

That is amazing, I sent it over to Bill

There's the siamese cat that fetches. I've taught Simon to sit, shake hands and beg, but while he likes to carry things in his mouth we're still working on the "return" bit

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You guys are going to get me into trouble with corporate…….again. Those folks are only slightly less conservative than the Mouse House people.
Time to do a promo to save my butt.
Who is the camera dude in this commercial?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGWCtuRBfo0

Speaking of Vice...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0066244/

Why am I the only sucker that falls for your challenges?

[Dennis M]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

Speaking of Vice...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0066244/

Why am I the only sucker that falls for your challenges?

Shark, you beat me to this one.

You even used the Vice reference I had planned.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

Speaking of Vice...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0066244/

Why am I the only sucker that falls for your challenges?

I don’t know, perhaps you have the fastest internet connection here?

Kitty Kitty Bang Bang (Warning – recommended for mature audiences only) -
http://www.thejaylenoshow.com/video/...tty-2/1183383/

[downward]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Welcome junior member.
One question just so that we know where everyone is coming from.
You don’t per chance work in Olyphant, Pa.?

Yes, for a very long time and I've worked on HD-DVD and BD for a very long time also

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by downward

Yes, for a very long time and I've worked on HD-DVD and BD for a very long time also

Good to hear you survived the lay-offfs this past March (I think it was March).

I own property in a remote place called Little Meadows.

[Cliff]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, “oink”, is just plain wrong and appears was being a pest about it (Gremlins). That forum is notorious for goof-ball ‘opinions’ in regards to picture quality of Blu-rays, be it either based on flawed *screenshot science* speculations or total recall of the theatrical presentation from many years ago.

Yeah, Oink actually had that stones to complain that the BD didn't look as good as the theatrical showings he attended 25 years ago. Alright...
A) I can't remember what something definitively looked like theatrically 25 DAYS ago. I might remember elements here or there (like I remember noticing that Talladega Nights had some pretty out of focus shots in it, something that surprised me considering the DP is Oliver Wood, who also shot the Bourne Trilogy, U571, and Die Hard 2), but I certainly couldn't recall the look of a film from shot to shot a quarter of a century after the fact.

and

B) there's actually a 35mm screening of Gremlins this Monday at the Arclight Hollywood, but I doubt any of the 'scientists' would actually go so far as to collect all of the available data out there to help form their hypothesis. For me, I just saw a theatrical screening of Gremlins back in May at the American Cinematheque and I'm more than happy with what Warner delivered.

As a side note, just saw a brand new 35mm print of Star Trek II on Saturday night and man does that Blu-ray look great!

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Bobby Henderson

Why wouldn't the same be true for BD59?

Anthony, you admit you don't know the pricing structure for optical disc replication, be it DVD, BD or an arguably experimental bonding of two BD and DVD platters into a single BD59. Yet you keep rejecting what I've wrote without offering any proof or logical reasoning to back up your defense of BD59.

Also, your math of percentages is a little suspect, especially when you have no replication cost numbers to fill in the blanks.

You're trying to treat BD59 as if its production and handling amounts to only one disc when that really is not the case. The disc replication plant is making two thinner, more fragile discs and sandwiching them together. BD59 is more complicated and far more prone to error than producing two separate BD50 and DVD9 discs.

The only difference at all in favor of BD59 is the tiny difference in product packaging. That's it. Let's not forget a 2-disc BD case is much closer in size to a single disc case than the 2-disc Amary DVD cases of old. The small savings of packaging a single disc is in high danger of being more than offset by numerous returns and refunds due to defective discs and discs that develop laser rot. Compound that with negative word of mouth on those types of discs that is sure to spread when the failures occur.

It bears repeating that more than one combo disc format has met with failure this decade. DVD-18 & DVD-14 flopped. HD-DVD/DVD combo discs flopped. TotalHD flopped. DualDisc flopped. Do you see the pattern? What technological miracle occurred that will make BD59 any different?

no, the only difference is that I can admit when I don't know anything. flippers are not popular with consumers for many reasons, some mentioned above but a big one that might not apply in this case is multi disk players. When (just to use what was said above someone buys a TV series, he can put disk 1, disk 2... in the players and continue from one to the other no issue, but if it is a flipper he would need to get up and flip it because 2 is on the other side.

I will tell you a well known fact but obviously a secret to you, DVD-9 one of the benefits of DVD over CD (and BD) is that .6mm of plastic takes less time tuo cure, DVD-9s are pretty much made that way (as 2 .6mm disks glued together). Pretty much after the first couple of years every movie you bought on DVD was created the way you think cannot work. The issue is not that we are talking .6mm disks and they are too fragile, but each layer increases the reject rate. Let me give you a simple example. Let's say for every 10 “disks” that are produced 1 is bad, (keeps math simple), we have A where we made 10 and 1 is bad so 9 are good, we have B where 10 are made and 9 are good. I throw away the bad A, I throw away the bad B and I have 9 good sets and two bad disks. Now let's say I don’t have a choice on which A goes with witch B if the bad A and the bad B are together then I have 9 good sets, but it does not need to happen that way and it is most likely that bad A is glued to good B and bad B is glued to good A and I have 8 good sets and 2 rejects. Works exactly the same way with layers and combos.

as for my math
a) there is nothing wrong with it, if you knew math you would know that
b) "replication cost" numbers are immaterial. The only thing needed to know what is cheaper is reject rates for both scenarios and the multiplicative factor (how much more does it cost to make two disks with twice the plastic then one disk)

PS. I am also not defending BD59. Personally I prefer separates IF dvd (or DC) is forced on me, but personally if they make a none DVD/DC set I would prefer that since I will never use any of them (but I can understand why others like having that junk)

[Jeff Kleist]

As a side note, just saw a brand new 35mm print of Star Trek II on Saturday night and man does that Blu-ray look great!

I was drooling over that showing. Too bad all the theaters out here who would run it aren't in the best of shape.

I hope everyone attended the screening of FREE ENTERPRISE and skipped that other movie attached to it. Free Enterprise not only stars the real Captain Kirk, a pre-Will and Grace Eric McCormick, but is a real true story of a film guy who marries the superhot nerdgirl of his dreams (and for once that's not the fantasty part . Director Rob Burnett has produced the special features on movies like TRON, Superman Returns, The Usual Suspects, X-Men 1 and 2, Narnia and LOTR. After two Trekkies meet William Shatner buying porn in a bookstore, they find out that he wants to make a musical version of Julius Caesar where he plays all the parts.

The finale features Shatner rapping "Friends, Romans, Countrymen"

Even though there's no Blu-ray in sight (yet anyway), give it a shot on DVD. There's even a subtitle track to translate for the nerd-ese impaired

[sharkshark]

Ah, Oink. Good guy on some of the technical sections of the forum. Sorry to see him getting caught up with you lot.

Anyhoo,

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3874

Sooooo... Where's my damn Lawrence!

I think I admitted it here, but I (shamefully) have owned this film since it came out on DVD and have yet to watch it...ever. My pseudonym is SharkShark, I'm a self appointed cinephile, and I've yet to watch Zhivago. I suck.

Yet, here I am, for certain buying it on BD, and contemplating selling an unopened disc.

This is indeed a sick hobby.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

Ah, Oink. Good guy on some of the technical sections of the forum. Sorry to see him getting caught up with you...

On the contrary……….I admire anyone that can remember exactly what a motion picture looked like in their local movie theater from 25 years ago!

Hey, I fixed the link for you with the precedent news source for that Doctor Zhivago story.
I’m super busy folks. Please excuse the paucity of posting for the time being.
BTW, where are those dive pics!