"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[Musashi]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

I deal often with an industry where the dub actors will draw 2000 people to their Q&A sessions

You speak of the anime industry.

Sources: Intuition, and a little booklet I picked last summer.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Now you're just getting desperite.

no, the point is if Joe saw the dub and Mike saw the sub because neither speaks the original language, neither of them saw the original film and neither can talk about the original but only the one they saw. Pretending the only one that is not the original is nonesense. In both case someone decided on the wording and it might not match exactly what would have been felt if one was a native speaker watching the original.

I have seen "good" dubs

if you have, then why the hatered? Why the assumption that subs are so much better then dubs?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Interesting analogy. I'm not sure if I agree with its use here, but it says something to me.

Subtitling is (99%) an additive layer. Dubbing is a substitutive layer. With subtitling, you lose a handful of pixels worth of detail "under" the printing at the bottom of the screen. With dubbing, you lose the entire original audio performance.

yes, I agree, but those pixels can be important (hard to read because of contrast, hiding important info...) but any effects and music will exist in the dub so it is only the speech that is missing not all the audio and for speech what is most important is what you say.

I personally prefer dubs a bit more because I find them a bit less distracting. I am paying more attention to the image and the dialogue, plus if the dub is any good it has the true intonation (i.e. surprise, exclamation.... where it should be, because sometimes if someone sais ABC in one language the proper way might be BCA in the other and so you get the intonation for the first thing in the original but should be on the last one in the translation and there is all the cases where subs try and stay as long as possible for slower readers so even if it is ABC you could be at C when they are still at B).

That being said, don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue with Subs for the original or the translated. Honestly one of my pet peeves is when you watch a movie and for example where the common tongue ins in English and then you have two Russian mobsters talking to each other in English in a fake heavy accent instead of Russian.

I also don't have an issue when it was a conscious choice like Letters from Iwo Jima or Apocalypto, I don't think they should be dubbed in any language they are presented. Because in all of them they are meant to be seen with subs.

I also don’t have an issue with people that would prefer to use sub over dubs, it ia a personal choice, if you prefer subs continue that way.

This all started with people saying lossless dubs should not exist, because they won’t use them and that is what I have an issue with. If a studio has available and is willing to give lossless dubs then why is it anyone’s business (except the people that will use them) if they do or don’t.

[Penton-Man]

I, myself, take a liking to some dual language movies…………….
http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2...-sony-studios/

Because, depending on their tastes, they offer a little bit for everyone.

[Penton-Man]

I notice the re-mastered edition of Gangs of New York is making its way into some enthusiasts’ hands now as mentioned in the Blu-ray Movies – USA and Region A forum.

I think a special tip of the hat should go to RAH and Kris Deering both of whom brought attention to the first attempt at this Blu-ray production, a good 2 weeks prior to any *screenshot scientists* - back in the later part of June of '08. Good call fellas.

And not just a tip of the hat……..but a special bow to this fellow………
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3645

Gotta run, there's a certain match on TV now and an event to attend tonight.

[GGX]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

if you have, then why the hatered? Why the assumption that subs are so much better then dubs?

Subs are obviously better than dubs. Why would you defend a butchery of the original performance? AKA: a dub.

[Vincent Pereira]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Rutger Hauer in 1993 was too old then, and certainly doesn'tfit the bill now Prettyboy cutoff is about 28 or so

I do enjoy the Jordon film as well, and Anne Rice did write the screenplay for it. I agree Cruise was fine as well, I Just think it could have been better

Actually Jordan did a rewrite and it was his rewrite that they filmed. WGA arbitration decided that he didn't change enough to warrant a credit on the final film, though (I think the rules state that a director doing a rewrite has to "substantially change" at least 60% of the script in order to get a credit).

Vincent

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by GGX

Subs are obviously better than dubs.

why?

Why would you defend a butchery of the original performance? AKA: a dub.

I don't. Look through my posts, I might not use the term butchery, but I always stated a translated movie is no longer the original and you can't say you have seen it if you did not experience the original. The issue is that guys like you fail to realise that using subs for the translation won't make it any less of a butchery. Even though it would be a destructive move I can accept if, like Jeff said, that if he owned a studio he would not allow anything but the original. On the other hand having seen many great movies and read many great works that where made in languages that I don't understand I would pity anyone that took the stand that only the original language matters because the loss would be great.

[GGX]

Do you honestly expect everyone to learn every language in the world? Get real.

Subtitles are the most accurate way to view foreign movies the way it was meant if you don't understand the language.

[micks_address]

My sympathies to You Pention on the Utd result.... men against boys really.... how about that Nani?... 3 years in a Utd jersey and he's finally starting to play.. his flick for the first goal to bypass the two Arsenal players.. was sublime.. real Ronaldo trickery..

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I notice the re-mastered edition of Gangs of New York is making its way into some enthusiasts’ hands now as mentioned in the Blu-ray Movies – USA and Region A forum.

I think a special tip of the hat should go to RAH and Kris Deering both of whom brought attention to the first attempt at this Blu-ray production, a good 2 weeks prior to any *screenshot scientists* - back in the later part of June of '08. Good call fellas.

And not just a tip of the hat……..but a special bow to this fellow………
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3645

Gotta run, there's a certain match on TV now and an event to attend tonight.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by micks_address

My sympathies to You Penton on the Utd result.... men against boys really.... how about that Nani?... 3 years in a Utd jersey and he's finally starting to play.. his flick for the first goal to bypass the two Arsenal players.. was sublime.. real Ronaldo trickery..

Well, that’s what happens when two teams decide to go for it and don’t play a boring midfield stalemate because each is afraid to extend themselves for fear of making a mistake.

I thought the match went well until the 3rd straight goal was made and it was totally enjoyable to watch despite Arsenal being down much of the time. Certainly better than reading that John Terry is scoring outside of London for a change.
What is it with all these celebrity athletes, politicians, etc. in the news all of a sudden?

b.t.w., is it me, or does anyone else think that Orson Hodge in Desperate Housewives played by the actor Kyle MacLachian looks like he could be the older brother of Arsenal’s Tomas Rosicky?

Re. Nani – yes, he did look very impressive.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

for fear

And speaking of Fearless, dat girl done good last night ……..
https://forum.blu-ray.com/insider-di...ml#post2756709

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

b.t.w., is it me, or does anyone else think that Orson Hodge in Desperate Housewives played by the actor Kyle MacLachian looks like he could be the older brother of Arsenal’s Tomas Rosicky?

I can agree with you, but really... if that's the only role from which you're familiar with Kyle MacLachlan, you need to get out more, P-Man.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

dat girl done good last night ……..

Doesn't make her single any less cloying.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Doesn't make her single any less cloying.

"Cloying"?

Not to me, it's refreshing to hear something that doesn't make one want to slit their wrists. Maybe she isn't the strongest singer (neither is Madonna) but she can write and SNL showed she has great comic timing. She also isn't stumbling out of SUVs into clubs with her business out. I don't know about you, but it's nice to have a grounded celebrity.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

"Cloying"?

Yup.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Not to me, it's refreshing to hear something that doesn't make one want to slit their wrists.

For my money, there's hardly anything in the pop realm these days that's really worth listening to, but I don't find it that tough to find something I can simply stand. I find Beyonce's stuff roundly more listenable than Swift's. Horses for courses.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Maybe she isn't the strongest singer (neither is Madonna) but she can write and SNL showed she has great comic timing. She also isn't stumbling out of SUVs into clubs with her business out. I don't know about you, but it's nice to have a grounded celebrity.

I guess. Sure, she meets this amazingly low standard, so I suppose that does make her "one of the better" celebrities. I don't really care one way or another; I was just saying I find her song irritating.

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

For my money, there's hardly anything in the pop realm these days that's really worth listening to, but I don't find it that tough to find something I can simply stand. I find Beyonce's stuff roundly more listenable than Swift's

A comment about her, uh, "curvy" nature in comparison? Tsk Tsk...



The state of pop is made all the more abysmal because of an Antares plugin misused well over a decade ago by a previously-pop-princess that should of known better, even as she traipsed in videos aboard aircraft cariers (I'm mixing tunes, but, well, you get the point...)

That said, I'm always impressed when people can construct good, solid, three minute "hooky" songs. "Hey Ya" was a minor work of genius, making pop out of 11/8 time. I think, strangely perhaps, that Beyonce owes a little to that form of contemporary R&B, with "Put a Ring on It" having some Outkast DNA in its vibe.

As for Taylor, she certainly seems like a good kid, and her SNL performace was great (as was the many performances by another non-pedestrian Popster, monsieur Timberlake). That said, once I finally hear her tracks, I was kinda shocked that this is what was passing for "country" these days... In a good way! Really, there's little she's doing that wouldn't have been set for Nelly Fertado or Alannis if they hadn't gone the angry/Timbalake route. It's girl power pop with Banjo, completely removed from the dreck that normally passed for pop country (I'm looking at you, Travis Tritt!) Again, one can blame Shania for this, I think - it seems hooking up with the producer of Def Leppard and AC/DC has inexorably changed contemporary pop-Country for a while. Meanwhile, somebody like Bon Iver doesn't even get a look on any country radio, but all the emo kids drool over the angsty acoustic folk.

Weird.

To be honest, I'm most intrigued by Lady Ga Ga - I think she nailed that performance last night, and bringing out Elton and the "armed" piano was tremendously insane. Theatrical, unappologetic, and obviously quite talented beneath the shock, it's for me a much more amusing direction for pop to go in (rather than, say, the truly abysmal Black Eyed Peas incessant klanging).

But in the end, the most seriously, bat-crap crazy thing to happen to music in all of 2010 was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8qE6WQmNus

Stay to the end, the video is damn priceless... Slightly out of Holiday Season, which in some ways makes it even more awesome/ridiculous.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

The state of pop is made all the more abysmal because of an Antares plugin misused well over a decade ago by a previously-pop-princess that should of known better, even as she traipsed in videos aboard aircraft cariers (I'm mixing tunes, but, well, you get the point...)

Clearly, someone does not believe in life after love.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

I can agree with you, but really... if that's the only role from which you're familiar with Kyle MacLachlan, you need to get out more, P-Man.

lol, you’re a funny man Doc.
Yeah, I got to get out more, b.t.w. have YOU ever stayed at Salish Lodge?
They have some outrageous mountain biking in the area.
Even have a jersey from the NCS Crystal Mtn. event.....need a pic?

And if you presume your *oldie* explanation on Jeff’s thread would as I said, “propel people into some sort of catatonic state” then I suggest that you have got to get out more in order to find the true answer to the query and visit some local post production facility, recently in the past, where the technician has used ASC3 ME in an unmonitored fashion and as the hobbyists like to say …..'with the knob turned up to 10'.

Jeff is still playing coy.
Honest to goodness……shark reminds me of a possum and Jeff reminds me of a fox.

[sharkshark]

I was just given this link, and had to share (it shows what a bit of time, some misguided screencaps, and a whole lot of crazy can accomplish):

The truth is that The Shining is the story of how Stanley Kubrick cut a deal with the U.S. Government to fake the Apollo moon landings.

It is also the story of how Kubrick may have accidentally told someone what he had done and how that person had to be killed.

The Shining is also the story of how faking the Apollo moon landings almost sacrificed his relationship with his wife.

Finally it is the story of how Stanley Kubrick barely escaped alive to create another day.

The Shining is the story of how a part of Stanley Kubrick was killed by the agreement that he made with the U. S. government to become the "caretaker" of The Project called A11 or Apollo 11.

It is also the story of the history of NASA.