4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[rdodolak]

The major question is whether the major disc replicators will end up investing in a 100GB/TL capability, at some point, since they see it as a commercially non-viable solution. That's not a good outlook to start out with but it begs the question how many 100GB discs the BDA thinks they might sell over the life of UHD BD compared to how many would need to be sold just to recoup the technology development costs.

The other question is whether Sony's internal solution will be made available to other studios. That is, will Sony offer it as an option at their DADC replication plants or will this internal solution only be available for Sony titles. Also, what is really meant by an "internal" solution.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

The major question is whether the major disc replicators will end up investing in a 100GB/TL capability, at some point, since they see it as a commercially non-viable solution. That's not a good outlook to start out with but it begs the question how many 100GB discs the BDA thinks they might sell over the life of UHD BD compared to how many would need to be sold just to recoup the technology development costs.

The other question is whether Sony's internal solution will be made available to other studios. That is, will Sony offer it as an option at their DADC replication plants or will this internal solution only be available for Sony titles. Also, what is really meant by an "internal" solution.

If the studios are actually serious about the upper tier HDR support... that's going to require the 100 GB discs be ready to roll, otherwise there would be too many image compromises.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

The major question is whether the major disc replicators will end up investing in a 100GB/TL capability, at some point, since they see it as a commercially non-viable solution. That's not a good outlook to start out with but it begs the question how many 100GB discs the BDA thinks they might sell over the life of UHD BD compared to how many would need to be sold just to recoup the technology development costs.

The other question is whether Sony's internal solution will be made available to other studios. That is, will Sony offer it as an option at their DADC replication plants or will this internal solution only be available for Sony titles. Also, what is really meant by an "internal" solution.

That's the problem with the 100GB 'story' (as they like to say in corporate speak): it's not commercially viable for Singulus to create 100GB lines, not without heavy outside investment that isn't forthcoming. But without the format gaining enough popularity to begin with - 100GB discs being vital to potential success by allowing for the best one-shot presentations of certain material - then it won't ever gain the viability needed to make the 100GB lines a commercial success. Chicken, egg, etc.

And you're right about that caveat with Sony's 100GB line and how it won't be made "commercially available" according to the BDA 45 minutes. Does that really mean they'd keep it solely for their own UHD discs? Or perhaps the cost they'd charge to use it on top of the 100GB premium (re: more expensive blank media and low yields) would make it too expensive for outsiders to use? In which case we really would end up with $40-$50 discs, which would be commercial suicide.

[bailey1987]

Here's something DTS X related: http://www.thehdroom.com/bluray/ex-m...is-july-89621/

Apparently DTS X will debut on Ex-Mechina. I know it's not Ultra BD related but it could mean Ex-Mechina is a launch title.

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Here's something DTS X related: http://www.thehdroom.com/bluray/ex-m...is-july-89621/

Apparently DTS X will debut on Ex-Mechina. I know it's not Ultra BD related but it could mean Ex-Mechina is a launch title.

It was shot with the F65 and F55 (and some GoPro) but it only received a 2K DI for theatrical release. I saw it in theaters on a 4K Barco projector and noticed a lot of scaling artifacts during the presentation. There was obvious pixelization and jaggies in the image throughout, which was a bit distracting. Not sure how much of that was the master itself or the upscaling from the Barco. Saw a lot of the same issues with Mad Max Fury Road as well, again playing on a 4K projector from a 2K DI. Hopefully both will look better on Blu-ray (and UHD eventually).

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

It was shot with the F65 and F55 (and some GoPro) but it only received a 2K DI for theatrical release. I saw it in theaters on a 4K Barco projector and noticed a lot of scaling artifacts during the presentation. There was obvious pixelization and jaggies in the image throughout, which was a bit distracting. Not sure how much of that was the master itself or the upscaling from the Barco. Saw a lot of the same issues with Mad Max Fury Road as well, again playing on a 4K projector from a 2K DI. Hopefully both will look better on Blu-ray (and UHD eventually).

Oh, sounds like it's not ready for Ultra BD prime time yet. I'm still confused about this DTS X, surely they can advise a layout. I can't see how a speaker that I have just thrown into a room that landed facing the wall at the front left speaker position can create audio that sounds like it's coming from the Surround right height channel.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

I'm still confused about this DTS X, surely they can advise a layout. I can't see how a speaker that I have just thrown into a room that landed facing the wall at the front left speaker position can create audio that sounds like it's coming from the Surround right height channel.

Don't believe the marketing speak of DTS or Dolby. You still need to have some semblance of a normal, prescribed layout in order for soundtracks to be reproduced close to how they're supposed to sound.

Since Dolby was first to market with Atmos and most immersive capable dubbing/mixing stages have Atmos speaker layouts... DTS decided that the easiest thing to do would be to let DTS:X map to those same locations.

If DTS gets the upper hand again, then they may start recommending certain specific layouts.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Since Dolby was first to market with Atmos and most immersive capable dubbing/mixing stages have Atmos speaker layouts... DTS decided that the easiest thing to do would be to let DTS:X map to those same locations.

If DTS gets the upper hand again, then they may start recommending certain specific layouts.

I keep thinking of DTS: neo X a few Blu-ray's had that as an audio codec, I thought they may add the rear heights to the next generation codec but that was before Dolby's ATMOS speakers came along.

All I'm saying is if they had provided a layout I would have had them installed this August ready for Christmas. As it stands I'm waiting until I see the number of channels on the back of the Ultra BD cases.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

...Saw a lot of the same issues with Mad Max Fury Road as well, again playing on a 4K projector from a 2K DI.

If you like 3D, go see the 3D version… a colleague informs me it actually looks better (no digital artifacts to speak of).

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

If you like 3D, go see the 3D version… a colleague informs me it actually looks better (no digital artifacts to speak of).

I have given up paying the surcharge for them if it's a post convert which I believe Mad Max: Fury Road is so I saw it in 2D at a local theatre that looked like my Kuro. Poltergeist was the last film I saw(terribly boring) I went 2D with that as well and whilst watching it I couldn't see a scene that would benefit from 3D but I'm in the mob that wants things to come our of the screen at you and not the depth camp.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

HDR is noticeable

First at NAB 2015 (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post10716761 ), then at INTX 2015…

INTX 2015-Matthew Goldman - YouTube

Who knows?.....Matthew next presenting at SMPTE in August.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

All I'm saying is if they had provided a layout I would have had them installed this August ready for Christmas. As it stands I'm waiting until I see the number of channels on the back of the Ultra BD cases.

There are 7.1 bed channels plus objects for both home versions of DTS:X and Dolby Atmos. DTS:X is capable of rendering to 32 speaker outputs, Dolby Atmos to 34. However, you need a Trinnov Altitude32 or something like that.

All home video soundtracks can render to that same number of designated speakers, it doesn't matter which immersive encoded movie you choose.

2014 and 2015 mass consumer receivers and pre-amps can only process up to 11.1 or in other words, 7.1.4. 7.1 + four overhead.

Install your speakers as per the Dolby Atmos home recommendations and DTS:X content will render to the same locations. This is a known fact.

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

There are 7.1 bed channels plus objects for both home versions of DTS:X and Dolby Atmos. DTS:X is capable of rendering to 32 speaker outputs, Dolby Atmos to 34. However, you need a Trinnov Altitude32 or something like that.

All home video soundtracks can render to that same number of designated speakers, it doesn't matter which immersive encoded movie you choose.

2014 and 2015 mass consumer receivers and pre-amps can only process up to 11.1 or in other words, 7.1.4. 7.1 + four overhead.

Install your speakers as per the Dolby Atmos home recommendations and DTS:X content will render to the same locations. This is a known fact.

I would recommend the 7.1.4 layout as well. This is a good baseline to start with that will provide pretty adequate coverage for most home theater rooms. As newer audio processors come out support for more height channels will come into play and you can decide for yourself whether adding more height/top channels will provide any real benefit. I have a 5.1.4 system at the moment with four top channels (top front/rear) and the coverage in my room is quite good. I don't hear any gaps. I may at some point at wide or rear channels to experiment but it won't be for awhile. I already get fantastic imaging in those locations as is.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by jono3000

Good news. Would of been nice to have a quote from Samsung though.

Will it be like their HDD 4k contact pack and not have any 4k movies on it?

[Brightstar]

I know this is old news but will this ever happen ? Sony & Panasonic to produce next-gen 300GB disc

http://hd-report.com/2013/07/29/sony...en-300gb-disc/

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

I know this is old news but will this ever happen ? Sony & Panasonic to produce next-gen 300GB disc

http://hd-report.com/2013/07/29/sony...en-300gb-disc/

Yes it will happen and quite soon, Sony are pretty serious about optical discs for professional use as a competitor to LTO. 300GB is next on their roadmap but eventually they want 1TB per disc.



They're writeable discs, not intended for consumer use or formats.

If they ever do have a need for a 300GB consumer format, then of course they may draw from some of the technologies and specs of the archival disc. But for now it's of no interest or relevance to consumers.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by vargo

Yes it will happen and quite soon, Sony are pretty serious about optical discs for professional use as a competitor to LTO. 300GB is next on their roadmap but eventually they want 1TB per disc.



They're writeable discs, not intended for consumer use or formats.

If they ever do have a need for a 300GB consumer format, then of course they may draw from some of the technologies and specs of the archival disc. But for now it's of no interest or relevance to consumers.

The downside is that these Archival Disc's as they call them are dual sided, I suppose that's fine for mass data storage but no good for home media.

[Geoff D]

They're not intended for home media, so no worries there then.

[bailey1987]

10 bit HEVC comes to Xbox One: http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/06/...-notes-inside/

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

10 bit HEVC comes to Xbox One: http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/06/...-notes-inside/

Does it run at 540p...