4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I can move out of the EU if needed

I wouldn't miss it either.

[Desk.]

Can anyone help with a question regarding 4K UHD blu-ray and 3D?

I know that 3D isn't part of the format's specs, but is it still possible hardware manufacturers and media producers can collude on an approach to offer 3D capability - above and beyond those specs?

Desk

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by Desk.

Can anyone help with a question regarding 4K UHD blu-ray and 3D?

I know that 3D isn't part of the format's specs, but is it still possible hardware manufacturers and media producers can collude on an approach to offer 3D capability - above and beyond those specs?

Desk

If it's not part of the spec, then there's no way to guarantee that a given movie would play on every player. It's likely that some UHD players would also support 3D Blu-ray however.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Desk.

Can anyone help with a question regarding 4K UHD blu-ray and 3D?

I know that 3D isn't part of the format's specs, but is it still possible hardware manufacturers and media producers can collude on an approach to offer 3D capability - above and beyond those specs?

Desk

Regular 1080p blu ray will keep moving on. But there won't be 4k 3d. I'm expecting all 4k blu ray players to be compatible with 2k 3d discs. So 3d will live on in the same regards as now, don't worry.

[Desk.]

Thanks, guys - that's helpful.

I'm under the impression that 4K UHD blu-ray releases will, at least initially, also come with 1080p blu-rays bundled in. However, I'd imagine that these 1080p blu-ray releases are unlikely to be 3D versions.

On that basis, I don't feel so bad about buying new standalone 1080p 3D blu-rays such as Mad Max: Fury Road, as it appears this is the only format 3D's likely to be available in.

Desk

[jeff_rigby]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Regular 1080p blu ray will keep moving on. But there won't be 4k 3d. I'm expecting all 4k blu ray players to be compatible with 2k 3d discs. So 3d will live on in the same regards as now, don't worry.

I've read papers that discuss 3D coming on UHD disks. I expect it to become a part of the UHD specs just after or when glassless 3D UHD TVs are announced. HFR 120Hz has other uses beyond sports...there is VR and that is 3D. 1080P passive 3D not 4K 3D, but one form of glassless 3D requires 5 720P/1080P 3D streams and can also display 5 independant video sources all available at sweet spots depending on viewing angle. This requires data rates exceeding what is required for 60 Hz UHD Blu-ray (6X blu-ray player).

AMD has VR/AR support mentioned with Arctic Islands dGPUs coming next year (2016) and following that with APUs late 2016 to 2017. FYI Windows 10 will support UHD blu-ray using standard blu-ray drives provided you have a modern dGPU with a TEE or a APU with TEE (HDCP for the HDMI port takes place in the TEE). XB1 and PS4 also decode and HDCP in their TEE's.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Desk.

On that basis, I don't feel so bad about buying new standalone 1080p 3D blu-rays such as Mad Max: Fury Road, as it appears this is the only format 3D's likely to be available in.

Desk

Mad Max Fury Road was a 2k mastered 3D movie and thus a UHD release would be a complete waste of money as far as I am concerned

I really want classic films on this format. Modern 3D blockbusters are wasted on this format. It seems technology has regressed in recent years as far as video resolution is concerned as your favorite titles from the 70s or 80s will benefit from this format while most recent blockbusters much less so

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Mad Max Fury Road was a 2k mastered 3D movie and thus a UHD release would be a complete waste of money as far as I am concerned

I really want classic films on this format. Modern 3D blockbusters are wasted on this format. It seems technology has regressed in recent years as far as video resolution is concerned as your favorite titles from the 70s or 80s will benefit from this format while most recent blockbusters much less so

Though, you will get all the ancillary benefits such as 10 bit depth, cinema DCI-P3 color, etc. etc. As for resolution, yes, a lot of modern films with digital DI's will not have the detail boost of true 2160p.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Though, you will get all the ancillary benefits such as 10 bit depth, cinema DCI-P3 color, etc. etc. As for resolution, yes, a lot of modern films with digital DI's will not have the detail boost of true 2160p.

Yes a 2k mastered movie can still look better on this format than the standard but in the case of a 3D one it means giving up a major advancement. Some people can't see 3D or just dislike it and for them the minor improvements might still be worth it but for me the Blu-Ray 3D version of Mad Max Fury Road is the best and if it were to get a Ultra HD release in 2D only I wouldn't spend a cent on it

Probably the one exception would be the original Predator. The Blu-Ray 3D conversion was Ok but I would dump it in a second for a proper 4k film master that didn't smooth over all the grain. But honestly that's the only Blu-Ray 3D title I own where I would ever consider a 2D Ultra HD version an upgrade

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Yes a 2k mastered movie can still look better on this format than the standard but in the case of a 3D one it means giving up a major advancement. Some people can't see 3D or just dislike it and for them the minor improvements might still be worth it but for me the Blu-Ray 3D version of Mad Max Fury Road is the best and if it were to get a Ultra HD release in 2D only I wouldn't spend a cent on it

Probably the one exception would be the original Predator. The Blu-Ray 3D conversion was Ok but I would dump it in a second for a proper 4k film master that didn't smooth over all the grain. But honestly that's the only Blu-Ray 3D title I own where I would ever consider a 2D Ultra HD version an upgrade

Well, it won't matter since UHD Blu-ray does not have a 3D pathway for 2160p. Even the cinema doesn't have true 4k 3D.

And 3D is not as bankable as it once was. That fad is slowing fading.

Not a 3D fan myself. Bad for cinematography and a lot of people get eye strain and headaches.

[kristoffer]

Saw this on another forum…

[Stanton]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

And 3D is not as bankable as it once was. That fad is slowing fading.

Not a 3D fan myself. Bad for cinematography and a lot of people get eye strain and headaches.

Yeah...that's why every top-grossing movie this year (including Star Wars: TFA) was released in 3D (cinema and disk).

I'm no 3D fan either, but it's far from dead; UHD players will almost certainly play those 1080p 3D disks. It's ironic that it took a 4k OLED TV for me to appreciate 1080p 3D.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

Saw this on another forum…

No need for another forum: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=271447

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Stanton

Yeah...that's why every top-grossing movie this year (including Star Wars: TFA) was released in 3D (cinema and disk).

I'm no 3D fan either, but it's far from dead; UHD players will almost certainly play those 1080p 3D disks. It's ironic that it took a 4k OLED TV for me to appreciate 1080p 3D.

You have to look at the overall trends. 3D ticket sales are definitely in a downward trajectory compared to when digital 3D took off.

If you want a feeling for the marketplace: they were sure not "into" 3D at CEDIA. Not something they even really brought up much. It was 4k. Better colors. Better dynamic range. HDR. Immersive Audio. Etc. Etc. And "oh yeah... 3D... um..."

Absolutely the same talking points are making the rounds at cinema distribution trade shows.

Is there a possibility of a resurgence in 3D tech once Avatar 2 comes out...? Sure.

[elwaylite]

They are still milking the cow, and the cinema's went to 3D projectors so they want to make that money (I think 3D in the theater is still marketable). Home 3D, especially active glasses, meh... If I was going to see Star Wars in the theater, it would surely be 3D.

I did home 3D on calibrated displays from 2011-2013. I'm over it, as I think is the majority. Blu-ray is still a small market, and 3D blu is even smaller.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Well, it won't matter since UHD Blu-ray does not have a 3D pathway for 2160p. Even the cinema doesn't have true 4k 3D.

And 3D is not as bankable as it once was. That fad is slowing fading.

Not a 3D fan myself. Bad for cinematography and a lot of people get eye strain and headaches.

Um please read a post before quoting it next time. If you don't like 3D fine but don't quote my posts unless you wish to rely to their content in some way

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

They are still milking the cow, and the cinema's went to 3D projectors so they want to make that money (I think 3D in the theater is still marketable). Home 3D, especially active glasses, meh...

I did home 3D on calibrated displays from 2011-2013. I'm over it, as I think is the majority. Blu-ray is still a small market, and 3D blu is even smaller.

3D may be waning because people don't like shelling out the premium price. You see more theater chains pushing premium food, reclining seats, butt kickers, etc. in order to justify the upcharge.

Now, as I mentioned above... it is possible that good 3D instead of most of the post converted stuff that has been foisted on the public could spark a renewed interest in the technology.

Cameron is one of the few filmmakers who takes the time to shoot 3D with care, precision, and a real 3D camera rig.

[elwaylite]

I still think even with properly shot 3D (Bayformers Dark of the Moon looked great in home) you are fighting an uphill battle. Just like UHD Blu will be.

This is becoming a soundbar streaming generation, people with nice setups that care about PQ and AQ are not in the upper tier.

3D Blu almost requires a disc purchase, as will UHD Blu (unless Netflix surprised me) and sometimes expensive accessories. Most of the people I know love my setup, but still rent DVD's from redbox and arent willing to pay the 3D upgrade at the local theater.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Well, it won't matter since UHD Blu-ray does not have a 3D pathway for 2160p. Even the cinema doesn't have true 4k 3D.

And 3D is not as bankable as it once was. That fad is slowing fading.

Not a 3D fan myself. Bad for cinematography and a lot of people get eye strain and headaches.

Blu-ray didn't have path way for 3D so what does Ultra HD Blu-ray not having path way for 3D have any matter

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Blu-ray didn't have path way for 3D so what does Ultra HD Blu-ray not having path way for 3D have any matter

It only will if there is a true 4k 3D platform in place for cinemas. It'll either have to be frame packed or use 8k projectors for passive.

I don't think that's going to be happening any time soon, do you?


That's why only 1080p 3D is supported on UHD Blu-ray.