4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Netflix plans to share their HDR calibration Guidelines with partners sometime in Q3 2015, until then, some background on current practices….

Netflix TechAwayDay NAB2015 DisplayCalibration - YouTube

Interesting video though I noticed some obvious issues. There is no set EOTF for REC709. That is one of the issues many have with it. As an example Blu-ray titles are sometimes mastered with a gamma of 2.2 or 2.4 or using BT1886. Furthermore there is no way to actually know which one was used which creates problems on the playback side. This can result in pictures looking darker or brighter than they should depending on which was used for mastering and which was used for visual playback.

I also think he has some things backward on the full range signal part. Reference white is digital 235 and he is correct that some latitude should be left after that (mainly to avoid clipping in the chroma channels before 235) but he then states that one may want to INCREASE contrast to verify; this should be decrease as increasing contrast on a display will continue to clip at a lower level, not a higher one.

I'm hoping the gamma (EOTF) standards are firmed up more with the new UHD standard so there is no guessing on the users end. It would be nice to know EXACTLY what colorspace is being used (709, P3, 2020), what the gamma is and what the master resolution is (since UHD can be something other than 4K).

[AK65]

How many titles will be launched before Xmas?

[m3racer123]

Originally Posted by AK65

How many titles will be launched before Xmas?

No one knows yet - don't expect it to be any more than single figures.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I don't think they (smartphone consumers) give a crap, Penton man. If they did, they wouldn't be degrading the art form by watching on such a screen in the first place.

The hell you say, people have been interested in that sort of viewing since ‘08…

Jon Stewart and IPhone @ Oscars 2008 - YouTube

Good luck tomorrow.

[Brightstar]

will UHD disks cost around £20 each ?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Seeing as decent players start from 50 or 60 quid these days, I wonder what criterion they're using for the 'two to three times' estimate?

Not sure about "quid" but a decent BD player in the USA is about $100. So I'm thinking $300-$500 will be the range at intro.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

will UHD disks cost around £20 each ?

They will cost eleventy-seventy gillion dollars each.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

They will cost eleventy-seventy gillion dollars each.

found it $30 each !

[m3racer123]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

will UHD disks cost around £20 each ?

Us Brits always get a bad deal when it comes to new technology - my guess is £30 initially, but prices should drop before Christmas.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I also think he has some things backward on the full range signal part. Reference white is digital 235 and he is correct that some latitude should be left after that (mainly to avoid clipping in the chroma channels before 235) but he then states that one may want to INCREASE contrast to verify; this should be decrease as increasing contrast on a display will continue to clip at a lower level, not a higher one.

Hey, I don’t agree with everything they’ve present/recommended either….http://digitalbacklot.netflix.com/20...tion-best.html

Where have you been ? For Christmas, did you ever get it -> https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post10146912

If not, I’ll remind you that there is more woods riding (and racing, à la enduros and ISDTs) contained in that one Blu-ray movie than all of On Any Sunday and On Any Sunday – The Next Chapter, combined, not to mention real life challenges like coping with losing one’s wife to cancer and having children to raise.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by m3racer123

Us Brits always get a bad deal when it comes to new technology - my guess is £30 initially, but prices should drop before Christmas.

I remember when blu ray disk first came out and iron man was going for £25

[m3racer123]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

I remember when blu ray disk first came out and iron man was going for £25

Well Iron Man was released in 2008, which was 2 years after Blu-rays first came out.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

It's hard to say for certain, but what I'm getting from that interview is that any kind of authentication would likely be limited to making copies to a hard drive or portable device... not to simply play directly off of the disc.

If that is the case, then I'll be happy. I'm still taking a careful watch and wait stance until it's known for certain either way.

Some reporter-type should simply ask ‘will there be a requirement to *online authenticate* any Ultra HD Blu-ray disc, just in order to play it?

Of course, even if the answer to the question is "No", as another member has noted, once you’ve bought a player… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post10809360 over time, they may have you by the short hairs….or so they presume.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by m3racer123

Well Iron Man was released in 2008, which was 2 years after Blu-rays first came out.

I dont care if they charge £35 as long as they do a very good job on remastering old classics

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Double-dipping has occured for nearly every single home video format released and in essence has been part of the home video business model for studios. The only way you will not see double-dipping with UHD BD is if the format passes away at a young age.

If the format lives on, you better believe you'll see new and improved releases of better selling titles.

I only upgrade once per format (if I want to see it again). Upgrading for marginal PQ improvement or just to get lossless is a waste of money to me. The upgrade from DVD to Blu-ray is anything but marginal (normally speaking). I passed on the Goodfellas double dip because I know it's coming out early in UHD. Double dips are usually not huge improvements within a format, at least not enough to spend yet another $15-20 on a disc you'll probably once watch once. Besides, how many times do we need to rewatch these movies anyway? Just because they get re-released people feel a need to buy it watch it again, all the while on passing on other worthwhile movies they haven't discovered yet.

So anyway, if it's not "full" UHD (HDR and 10 bit color at minumum, other than the obvious resolution bump), then I'll probably skip over those and buy the ones that are. Besides, the upgrades not related to increased resolution will be the most noticeable.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Double dips are usually not huge improvements within a format, at least not enough to spend yet another $15-20 on a disc you'll probably once watch once.

I agree, the main thing I look for in a double dip on the same format is an extended edition of the film and I'm talking Alien 3 assembly cut extended and not a couple of seconds more.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The hell you say, people have been interested in that sort of viewing since ‘08…

Jon Stewart and IPhone @ Oscars 2008 - YouTube

Good luck tomorrow.

Thanks!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Not sure about "quid" but a decent BD player in the USA is about $100. So I'm thinking $300-$500 will be the range at intro.

Guess what? 100 "bucks" equals £63 at current rates, so we're approaching this from the same angle after all.

That said, the bastards will do what they always do and simply change the dollar sign into a pound sign, so instead of £190-£320 (as per the rate of exchange) they'll be £300-£500 over here. ****s.

[m3racer123]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That said, the bastards will do what they always do and simply change the dollar sign into a pound sign

Yeah, I bet these UHD BDs will be $35 and £35 at launch!

[bruceames]

$300-500 for a launch player? Dream on. It will probably be $800-1000.