4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by avecha

Isn't the PS4 meant to be getting an upgrade/new scu released to be able to play 4K movies?

I think the new version 2 will be able to, not the original release.

[avecha]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I think the new version 2 will be able to, not the original release.

Thought so. Was trying to find the original article to no avail, but i think it did say a new release of the PS4.

All i could find was this:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=262944

Fingers and toes.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by d514

Panasonic also has an UHD Blu-ray player at the IFA in Berlin!

Sorry, I can't find an English source for this:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...r-2805018.html

The pictures are bad because Panasonic doesn't want any pictures to be taken (yet). The article implies that Panasonic could have a player ready by the end of the year but it wouldn't make sense to sell them because UHD discs won't be available by then...

https://translate.google.com/transla...tml&edit-text=

[raygendreau]

Someone at IFA needs to open the tray on the new Samsung UHD player to see what's in it. There are demos playing on the displays behind the players. What is the actual source for those demos?

Wouldn't surprise me if the actual source is a WD Cinema Pasport.

http://www.wired.com/2015/09/samsung-4k-blu-ray-player/

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I think you're gonna be forced to choose, Brucie old bean. There's no scope for enhanced 1080p 3D in the UHD BD spec, never mind 4K 3D. Putting all them in one package would only add to the premium cost of the UHD pack seeing as 3D prices are still holding firm. Multiple UHD SKUs (one with the 3D disc, one without) will also be more of a hindrance than a help, especially in places where BD shelf space is already somewhat limited (like in the UK).

Still, that'd be some combo version: UHD BD, 2D BD, 3D BD, DVD + digital. The mere thought of it being split up and sold on eBay is probably giving Disney nightmares.

My position might be unique but I could give a hoot about a DVD or Digital version. So dump them and give me my 3D version. That wouldn't be such an outrageous package. UHD BD, 2D BD and 3D BD. If I'm buying the UHD BD, do I really need a DVD copy? I can understand them retaining the digital copy. (some folks like it. I think it's useless. If I really wanted to, I can rip the BD file of the film and have no restrictions on my personal use.) So yeah if I'm going UHD BD, I really don't need the DVD. Ditch that and give me the 3D BD. That makes too much sense though, so it probably won't happen. And 3D naysayers will ***** about it endlessly.

[Geoff D]

I don't think there'll be DVD in there anyway, I was just spitballing as to what an ultimate combo would be. But I still can't see 3D being in there unless people want a $50+ recommended retail price, 3D is still sold at a premium so bundling it in with the newest premium BD format would only make the package even more expensive. And joking aside it really would be an eBay splitter's dream, so don't be surprised if the studios are reticent to embrace such a combo.

[dublinbluray108]

What a nice sleek looking player from Samsung. If I had the money I would buy it instantly.

Have the studios said anything to the media on the issue of region codes for UHD Blu-ray titles?

It will be a good idea for their new customers to know that bit of information before it is released next year.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

What a nice sleek looking player from Samsung. If I had the money I would buy it instantly.

Have the studios said anything to the media on the issue of region codes for UHD Blu-ray titles?

It will be a good idea for their new customers to know that bit of information before it is released next year.

What you need to be ultimately wary of is online authentication protocols like those mentioned in the Sony leak. Talk about having your collection being tethered to a ticking time bomb! That will also be worse than Region coding.

Samsung players are notoriously bad. I'm sure Panasonic and Sony will have alternatives around the same time.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

If they don't release a 2K 3D UHD SKU of movies with 3D versions on the new format, then it going to force people to choose between 4K BD and 3D BD. I'd choose the 3D BD version unless it's a bad conversion.

Most of the top blockbusters do have a 3D version, so what are they going to do?

I don't understand why 6 of the 7 titles selected to be the launch titles for a 4k Ultra HD format have 2k sources making them likely to be upconversions.

Life of Pi and Days of Futures Past both have been released on fantastic Blu-Ray 3Ds with great Native 3D presentations. Unless you are stereo-blind or just have a massive hatred of 3D I can't imagine why anyone would prefer an a 2k sourced transfer in 2D given how great both movies 3D aspects were. Until a 3D option is added I see no point in releasing these titles on this new format

Why release 2k sourced titles when there are hundreds of great movies shot on film with no 2k DIs to speak of and never made for 3D that would be fantastic releases on this format? I think they are dropping the ball selecting launch titles that simply can't make full use of this format

[harpolini]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Why release 2k sourced titles when there are hundreds of great movies shot on film with no 2k DIs to speak of and never made for 3D that would be fantastic releases on this format? I think they are dropping the ball selecting launch titles that simply can't make full use of this format

I could be mistaken, but I remember coming across a post awhile back about transferring older television shows that we edited on primitive systems. Long story short, the original film elements were scanned again and rebuilt in a fairly automated process. Wish I could find that post/article.

If this was accurate, the same process might be used for a higher res source cut on a lower res DI. Oh course that would be meaningless if the source was 2K, but as others have said there will be benefits in the 4K realm for 2K, minor as they may be.

[spectre08]

I'm curious about the 2K masters on the launch titles as well. I'm wondering how correct that actually is. It's entirely possible that these films exist in the computer as 4K, but were output to their master as 2K. They could possibly be doing a new export in 4K.

Some of them were shot with 2.6K ArriFlex cameras, but even that is still a pretty big difference from old 1080p blu-ray.

I'm not quite ready to light the torches yet on the news, because to me it does just seem too bad to be real. I suspect there's more at play behind the scenes than we're seeing.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by harpolini

I could be mistaken, but I remember coming across a post awhile back about transferring older television shows that we edited on primitive systems. Long story short, the original film elements were scanned again and rebuilt in a fairly automated process. Wish I could find that post/article.

If this was accurate, the same process might be used for a higher res source cut on a lower res DI. Oh course that would be meaningless if the source was 2K, but as others have said there will be benefits in the 4K realm for 2K, minor as they may be.

In the case of Life of Pi for example the process to re-render all its effects shots into 4 times their original resolution would certainly run up well into the millions of dollars. There is no way any Ultra HD Blu-Ray will sell well enough to make up that cost. But even if they did the movie was shot at around 2.8k resolution. Twice as high as Blu-Ray but half as high as Ultra HD Blu-Ray and its impossible to re-render those scenes at any cost (unless they eventually re-create every shot with photorealistic CGI but no that ain't happening). So no matter what the movie won't be able to take advantage of Ultra High Definition Blu-Ray

But it can and has taken advantage of Blu-Ray 3D so I see a re-release on this format a complete waste of money no matter what

[ghostdog81]

Same here. TV's look awesome.

[spectre08]

I know that they're trying to get people hyped about mostly new releases, but what they really need to do if they want to release movies that will look mindblowingly good in 4K is release David Fincher's movies he shot with Red cameras.

I would re-buy The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, Gone Girl, and Social Network (provides it was a proper 4K remaster) in a heartbeat.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by spectre08

I know that they're trying to get people hyped about mostly new releases, but what they really need to do if they want to release movies that will look mindblowingly good in 4K is release David Fincher's movies he shot with Red cameras.

I would re-buy The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, Gone Girl, and Social Network (provides it was a proper 4K remaster) in a heartbeat.

I believe the Social Network was the first major movie shot with 4k digital cameras. Gone Girl was shot in 6k and had a 4k DI so it's perfect for this format

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

I believe the Social Network was the first major movie shot with 4k digital cameras. Gone Girl was shot in 6k and had a 4k DI so it's perfect for this format

Nope. Earlier films that that.

The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo remake was one of the first with a 4k workflow end-to-end. The Social Network had a similar pipeline since it was also a David Fincher film.

[spectre08]

Fincher is the undisputed master of digital filmmaking at the moment.

I've said it I don't know how many times before, but the rowing scene in Social Network is basically a 2 minute long Master's Class in digital filmmaking.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Nope. Earlier films that that.

The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo remake was one of the first with a 4k workflow end-to-end. The Social Network had a similar pipeline since it was also a David Fincher film.

all true.

minor pet-peeve though. Dragon Tattoo is NOT a remake. The film was in pre-production before the Swedish version was finished, and the screenplay was written from scratch directly from the English translation of the book.

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by spectre08

Fincher is the undisputed master of digital filmmaking at the moment.

I've said it I don't know how many times before, but the rowing scene in Social Network is basically a 2 minute long Master's Class in digital filmmaking.

[spectre08]

a close runner up, and certainly the leader of the Team Arri.

I personally like the look of Red cameras better though, so I'm still siding with Fincher and Cronenweth.