4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

It only will if there is a true 4k 3D platform in place for cinemas. It'll either have to be frame packed or use 8k projectors for passive.

I don't think that's going to be happening any time soon, do you?


That's why only 1080p 3D is supported on UHD Blu-ray.

Blu ray was on the market way before 3D hit cinemas and that didn't stop Blu-ray getting 3D.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Blu ray was on the market way before 3D hit cinemas and that didn't stop Blu-ray getting 3D.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it's not cost feasible to do 4k per eye 3D cinema presentations any time soon.

Heck, they're still doing 2k DI's for many major motion pictures!

You're stuck with 2k 3D for some time to come.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it's not cost feasible to do 4k per eye 3D cinema presentations any time soon.

Heck, they're still doing 2k DI's for many major motion pictures!

You're stuck with 2k 3D for some time to come.

On film perhaps but digitally it's next to no problem. Granted it will probably need a new projector.

[eriaur]

At least there some 4K+ 3D being made for the giant screens (8K 3D)

https://www.facebook.com/giantscreencinema/
http://gg3d.com/ (Jerusalem and "National parks adventure" mastered in 4K?)

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

On film perhaps but digitally it's next to no problem. Granted it will probably need a new projector.

And double the storage and double the rendering of said 4k files. That's just on the studio side. That's why the transition to just 2D 4k is so slow.

On the film distribution side, new 8k projectors necessary for passive 4k left eye/right eye and digital readers are hugely expensive. Many theaters still only have 2k projectors.

Do the math. This is an uphill battle.

4k 3D on UHD Blu-ray is technically possible with frame packed MVC-like extensions to H.265 and the UHD Alliance and BDA could probably add it very soon, but until Hollywood is ready to distribute the films to theaters it will not happen.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it's not cost feasible to do 4k per eye 3D cinema presentations any time soon.

Heck, they're still doing 2k DI's for many major motion pictures!

You're stuck with 2k 3D for some time to come.

Be that as it may than don't release 2k 3D titles on this format. Life of Pi and Exodus Gods and Kings were both terrible choices for launch titles for this format because they don't benefit from it at all in fact they will look worse than the releases that are out now

So the studios should be dipping into older film catalog titles without CGI or titles made for 4k like Gone Girl, Interstellar and such not 2k mastered 3D titles

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Be that as it may than don't release 2k 3D titles on this format. Life of Pi and Exodus Gods and Kings were both terrible choices for launch titles for this format because they don't benefit from it at all in fact they will look worse than the releases that are out now

So the studios should be dipping into older film catalog titles without CGI or titles made for 4k like Gone Girl, Interstellar and such not 2k mastered 3D titles

None of these were shot in 3D. They were post converted. And the big things that the studios are using as selling points for the format, and 2160p isn't among them, are: High Dynamic Range, Better Color, and Immersive Audio.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

None of these were shot in 3D. They were post converted. And the big things that the studios are using as selling points for the format, and 2160p isn't among them, are: High Dynamic Range, Better Color, and Immersive Audio.

Wrong both Life of Pi and Exodus Gods and Kings were native but even if not the case conversions are frequently nearly as good as native shoots these days and are planned for in the cinematography so its a Red Herring even if you were right

Undeniably titles with true 4k masters will benefit from this format much more than titles that don't and every studio has thousands of movies shot on film with no CGI that could get a 4k master easily so picking these 2K 3D titles as launch titles makes no sense to me and is damaging to Ultra HD Blu-Rays success

[ray0414]

just outta curiosity, is there anyone in here with an HDR tv that has access to amazon prime and MGO? it sounds like everything in most of these threads on bluray.com is all speculation and not many people own HDR tvs, not trying to be offensive just an observation ive noticed.

I do have something interesting to share. yesterday, amazon updated 3 of its 4k nature documentaries to HDR.

whats interesting about these, is how old they are. 2 of them are from 1995, the other is from 2003. All 3 of these are IMAX documentaries. Your first thought (and mine is well), is that any type of HDR conversion of something 20 years old is going to be junk.

Well, myself, and probably you, are dead wrong. I was absolutely stunned at the quality. The colors are just simply stunning. HDR makes everything look 3D, so watching these nature documentaries (they focus on water areas, like exotic fish and water activities in exotic areas). the visuals were simply stunning with color and detail and depth to the picture. no SDR can match even a 1995 documentary thats been regraded with 10 bit HDR. its just crazy good looking.

heres some pix, but im warning you now, the pictures do not do it justice. the colors are much richer and more vibrant in person.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by ray0414

just outta curiosity, is there anyone in here with an HDR tv that has access to amazon prime and MGO? it sounds like everything in most of these threads on bluray.com is all speculation and not many people own HDR tvs, not trying to be offensive just an observation ive noticed.

I do have something interesting to share. yesterday, amazon updated 3 of its 4k nature documentaries to HDR.

whats interesting about these, is how old they are. 2 of them are from 1995, the other is from 2003. All 3 of these are IMAX documentaries. Your first thought (and mine is well), is that any type of HDR conversion of something 20 years old is going to be junk.

Well, myself, and probably you, are dead wrong. I was absolutely stunned at the quality. The colors are just simply stunning. HDR makes everything look 3D, so watching these nature documentaries (they focus on water areas, like exotic fish and water activities in exotic areas). the visuals were simply stunning with color and detail and depth to the picture. no SDR can match even a 1995 documentary thats been regraded with 10 bit HDR. its just crazy good looking.

heres some pix, but im warning you now, the pictures do not do it justice. the colors are much richer and more vibrant in person.

I have an HDR capable display. Not Dolby Vision great, but a form of HDR. When graded properly and appropriately, HDR can be fantastic and closer to the original source material.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

On film perhaps but digitally it's next to no problem. Granted it will probably need a new projector.

On the market for at least 2 years now, the Barco Alchemy systems are capable of 4K 3D up to 30 fps/eye on a single projector; however, the stumbling block is that the 4K 3D DCP is not standardized by SMPTE.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ray0414

it sounds like everything in most of these threads on bluray.com is all speculation...

Depends upon whom you read. Some members here, be it the topic of HDR, 4K or HD have a long documented track record of not speculating (except perhaps for Premier League football outcomes ) but posting facts before they become evident to consumers, e.g. note the dates and follow the flow -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...de#post1432708, which led to -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...th#post4453123

Originally Posted by ray0414

...Your first thought (and mine is well), is that any type of HDR conversion of something 20 years old is going to be junk.

Well, myself, and probably you, are dead wrong. I was absolutely stunned at the quality.

Long term readers of Blu-ray.com shouldn’t be stunned….from the day before Christmas, 2 years ago (2013), first sentence….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...op#post8569119

The real technological challenge with HDR remastering of old source material comes down to how much - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post10502760

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

On the market for at least 2 years now, the Barco Alchemy systems are capable of 4K 3D up to 30 fps/eye on a single projector; however, the stumbling block is that the 4K 3D DCP is not standardized by SMPTE.

My point exactly, as for 4K 3D not being standardised by the SMPTE, I can't see it being a problem for Ultra HD Blu Ray because as you say the SMPTE has yet to standardise the theatrical 4K 3D but a projector exists.

When 4K 3D does appear I hope they standardise the glasses as they said they were going to do.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

be it the topic of HDR....posting facts before they become evident to consumers, e.g. note the dates and follow the flow -

For instance…..dateline 9/19/2014

Discussed here on Blu-ray.com, I’d say significantly before the time it became fashionable to speak of, or refer to, ST 2084 and its significance to HDR by others on other Audio Video websites.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

My point exactly, as for 4K 3D not being standardised by the SMPTE, I can't see it being a problem for Ultra HD Blu Ray because as you say the SMPTE has yet to standardise the theatrical 4K 3D but a projector exists.

Bails, problem is (for 3D aficionados)...that there is a relative lack of interest in 3D by studio executives now. If needed I’ll refer you to the pertinent panel discussion when I have more time to find thee old videoclip from NAB 2015 which I attended.

[m3racer123]

Someone needs to update the title of this thread to 'early 2016'!

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by m3racer123

Someone needs to update the title of this thread to 'early 2016'!

check, it may take some time to change but I have just updated it.

[m3racer123]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

check, it may take some time to change but I have just updated it.

The title of the first post has changed but not the title of the thread.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by m3racer123

The title of the first post has changed but not the title of the thread.

yes I have noticed that it must need the admin to sort it.

[dvdmike]

So: 4k bluray confirmed, coming late! 2015?