4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[reanimator]

I'm still not sure I even understand this discussion. What difference does it make if 4KBD is only a "niche format?" Laserdisc was a niche format, and I still got every title I could ever want.

If 4KBD is a niche format... WHO CARES?

[Kirsty_Mc]

Originally Posted by reanimator

I'm still not sure I even understand this discussion. What difference does it make if 4KBD is only a "niche format?" Laserdisc was a niche format, and I still got every title I could ever want.

If 4KBD is a niche format... WHO CARES?

Precisely. There are though some possible reasons for the negativity towards 4K.

The poster:-

• May not be able to afford 4K.
• May have recently made a substantial investment in 1080P gear and feel the need for self justification.
• May be an AV snob, and is trying to show off their "superior" knowledge by stating that there is more to picture quality than resolution. That comes under the category of telling us how to suck eggs.
• May be a sponsored troll.
• May just be a troll.

Just some possibilities

[BLindsay]

As a projector owner, I am excited for 4k, I am waiting though until 4k Blu-rays are actually out, IMO there is no point on spending money on tech that will drop in price next year anyways when there isn't really even any content out for it yet.

[Wendell R. Breland]

From the Digital Bits:

The big one is that Warner Home Video has set a new version of Gravity for Blu-ray release in February. The disc will also include a Dolby Atmos sound mix for those of you with new Atmos compatible audio hardware. If this edition sells well, it’s possible Warner could release additional recent titles on Blu-ray with Atmos – Man of Steel, Edge of Tomorrow, Pacific Rim, the Hobbit films – these have all been released with Atmos mixes in theaters.

Makes one wonder how many copies they have to sell before a disc with Atmos would be considered a success. Does anyone know how many Atmos decoders have been sold? Seem like a mistake to judge the success of a Atmos title at this early stage!!

I sure hope that UHD BD is given some time before judgements are made about its success.

[BLindsay]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

From the Digital Bits:



Makes one wonder how many copies they have to sell before a disc with Atmos would be considered a success. Does anyone know how many Atmos decoders have been sold? Seem like a mistake to judge the success of a Atmos title at this early stage!!

I sure hope that UHD BD is given some time before judgements are made about its success.

I probably wont adopt Atmos until 4k is mainstream since I am going to have to buy new hardware for 4k anyways

[Blu-ray Neo]

Originally Posted by BLindsay

I probably wont adopt Atmos until 4k is mainstream since I am going to have to buy new hardware for 4k anyways

You hit the nail on the head.

I'm probably going to get a 4K TV sometime next year. My current receiver has 4K pass through so I won't need to upgrade it just yet.

[Geoff D]

Heh. If something as esoteric as Atmos is already making waves - or at least noticeable ripples - in the home video market, then I don't think 4K BD has much to worry about. There will ALWAYS be a market for the latest and greatest developments in home theater technology.

[5150z]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

If it fails, then 4K will be only a streaming and/or download format.

Which is what they want anyway, to protect their content. You make good points!

It's been 8'ish years since BR's debut, and it's still below industry expectations in sales and FAR below DVD in sales. Does anyone really believe that 4K will be anything more than a niche of a niche of a niche? I love BR 1080P, it's wonderful, but it's also nice to see 4K closer to reality for those who want to invest in it, even if it's downloads/streaming down the road. I'd love to see 4K succeed on a grand scale...but it won't.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Atmos

Now that even the large 4K televisions have gotten pretty cheap, I can personally rationalize imminently purchasing another new TV (for when one’s current display has become long in the tooth (can’t digest HEVC, etc.) or to fill out another room in the house… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...on#post9928556

But I need some convincing in order to drop extra dough for everything needed (new receiver, speakers) to become Atmos capable at home because I take these type commercials seriously these days –
http://www.ispot.tv/ad/7Txd/prudenti...bon-experiment

Given – https://www.wellsfargo.com/about/pre...g_1022.content

So far, all I see is marketing and advertising and no *common man* putting their money where their mouth is with a pledge of early adopter commitment to the Dolby Atmos home audio upgrade, except perhaps those few who get *deals* as perks from different audio manufacturers in order to promote the format and also attract viewer hits to their websites (which translates into advertising dollars).

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

But I need some convincing in order to drop extra dough for everything needed (new receiver, speakers) to become Atmos capable at home because I take these type commercials seriously these days –

Solved that a long time ago, last receiver was a Heath Kit AR-29 in 1972 . Have had separates since 1973, have Crown amps over 42 years old, Hafflers amps over 30 years. Most everything is 19" rack mount. So all that is needed is a 4 channel amp, some ceiling speakers and a new audio processor for a 7.2.4 setup.

As noted earlier, I will most likely pass on 1st gen of Atmos/Auro/DTS MDA audio processors (most likely being the operative words ).

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

From the Digital Bits:



Makes one wonder how many copies they have to sell before a disc with Atmos would be considered a success. Does anyone know how many Atmos decoders have been sold? Seem like a mistake to judge the success of a Atmos title at this early stage!!

I sure hope that UHD BD is given some time before judgements are made about its success.

Yeah, it's odd that. I'm not even looking at Atmos (I lie, but I'm not buying) until 4k bluray comes out and compatibility issues, if any, are resolved.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by BLindsay

As a projector owner, I am excited for 4k, I am waiting though until 4k Blu-rays are actually out, IMO there is no point on spending money on tech that will drop in price next year anyways when there isn't really even any content out for it yet.

Me too although my concern doesn't lie with the price, if 4K is not an entirely different format then it will just be a newer profile of Blu-ray, 6.0 I think, if that's the case then my concern is that it will go through no end of profiles just like Blu-ray's did before it topped out. I don't want to miss out on thing like 3D this time.

I had just bought a Pioneer Kuro at £1.999 right before they announced 3D, I have had it ever since and as a result I have only ever seen 3D is shops. If 4K is an extension to Blu-ray's I want a finished format.

I intend to go the projector route this time.

[AK65]

Probably a dumb question, but TVs themselves don't need HDCP 2.2 do they?

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by AK65

Probably a dumb question, but TVs themselves don't need HDCP 2.2 do they?

I believe they would, as the entire HDMI chain has to be 2.2 compliant.

[bruceames]

Yes they do. On my 4K TV, only HDMI 4 is HDCP 2.2 (which is where I have the 4K media player connected to).

As for playing the waiting game on 4K TV, that's fine, but I was due for an upgrade and I wanted to get a high end TV this time (Sony 65X900A). Best TV I've ever owned and totally not concerned about tweaks down the road on the 4K spec. If I had bought a 1080p set I would be in even worse shape. Besides I see this dragging out to the point where by the time everything is set in stone and the sets come down in price somewhat, I'll be due for another upgrade anyway. Could be 3 or 4 more years by that time, so why wait that long? Life is short, live it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by AK65

Probably a dumb question, but TVs themselves don't need HDCP 2.2 do they?

The way you’ve framed the question is rather open to interpretative response.
Yes, 4K tvs themselves will need (on a least one input) to support HDCP 2.2 if you desire to actually see a 4K Blu-ray movie image displayed on your screen.

No, 4K tvs “themselves” don’t “need” HDCP 2.2, for example I don’t think that the 2013 Seiki SE50UY04 is HDCP 2.2 compliant but, for what it's worth, it will show 4K REDRAY content….of course, there’s *not much* of that out there that's been supplied by major Hollywood studios….and, the REDRAY player is an end of life device.

*not much* being an overstatement.

P.S. as an aside,

DCP for Dumb and Dumber To (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2096672/)
Image Format: 1998 x 1080 Flat (bolding provided for 2K pixel counting police)
File Size: 195 GB
Audio Format: 5.1

[Geoff D]

Man alive, I'm not sure I'd want to watch the 4K DCP of Interstellar now seeing as it's only about 30GB bigger than the 2K DCP of Dumb and Dumber To.

[bailey1987]

I would love to see the difference between interstellar and dumb and dumber to. There's clearly some kind of tactics/politics involved here. 30 gig difference? Seems odd?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Man alive, I'm not sure I'd want to watch the 4K DCP of Interstellar now seeing as it's only about 30GB bigger than the 2K DCP of Dumb and Dumber To.

Well, I’ve now viewed (and heard) commercial theater exhibitions of the fresh 35mm. release print incarnation (very fuzzy), the 4K DCP presentation (soft) and the IMAX 70mm version (sharper than the other two versions).

Sound at all 3 venues? too LOUD , but what else is new? http://lintvkxan.files.wordpress.com..._rome_2013.pdf
At least cinemas in Flanders are leading the way…. http://www.flanderstoday.eu/current-...lemish-cinemas

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by AK65

Probably a dumb question

Don’t feel dumb questioning much of anything in the world of entertainment, as even ‘professionals’ working for the same company or organization not uncommonly contradict each other’s knowledge, e.g.
Update 29 May 2014: “Panasonic UK’s TV product manager Craig Cunningham has confirmed to us that the Viera AX802 series will not have Netflix 4K support despite the presence of inbuilt HEVC decoder. It’s a hardware issue which is not addressable by firmware update” -
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/tx-50...1405193778.htm

Update 30 October 2014: “Panasonic said this week that its AX800 series 4K Ultra HDTVs are now capable of receiving streamed Netflix 4K Ultra HD programming. Existing AX800 owners in North America have received a firmware update enabling them to enjoy 4K Netflix movies and shows such as “House of Cards,” “Breaking Bad,”….
A similar firmware update for European AX800 models (the AX802 series) will be released next month” - http://www.twice.com/news/tv/panason...-netflix/54681