4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[jono3000]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

The 50" Vizio P series. I have to say I'm very impressed especially based on the price ($698). So far I've watched a few episodes of blacklist on Netflix in 4K and my jaw dropped.

Get some 4K on USB with a higher bitrate than Netflix and pick your jaw off the floor Just need to wait for the first UHD Blu-ray players and discs to come out

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by jono3000

Get some 4K on USB with a higher bitrate than Netflix and pick your jaw off the floor Just need to wait for the first UHD Blu-ray players and discs to come out

I'm sure the video on the USB is way better, but I'm pretty impressed with Netflix even. I'm definitely looking forward to discs though because sometime my internet isn't up to snuff....and 4K requires a lot of snuff.

[jono3000]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

I'm sure the video on the USB is way better, but I'm pretty impressed with Netflix even. I'm definitely looking forward to discs though because sometime my internet isn't up to snuff....and 4K requires a lot of snuff.

My internet can barely do HD so always discs for me.

[slickkeng]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

agree (especially since 48p might not necessarily work well with the TVs). But my point was simply that if 48p is considered HFR then 60p should also be considered HFR since it is higher and so "Sigh. Doesn't look like HFR is going to make it." is wrong

My understanding is that it wnt be supported unless 48p can be upconverted to 60p, which is not a possibility it seems. Also, just because there are currently only 3 movies using hfr, doesn't mean it wont one day be the standard. Why deal with shutter if you don't have to? Embrace the advances in technology it is inevitable.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

The 50" Vizio P series. I have to say I'm very impressed especially based on the price ($698). So far I've watched a few episodes of blacklist on Netflix in 4K and my jaw dropped.

Good thing you got a decent price for it. It's only an 8 bit panel and is not capable of DCI-P3 colorimetry and includes only one low-end HDMI 2.0 (10 Gb/s) port that includes HDCP 2.2 ... for the first two features you need their Reference series of UHD sets. No product has full HDMI 2.0 support with HDCP 2.2 encryption. That will be later this year.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Good thing you got a decent price for it. It's only an 8 bit panel and is not capable of DCI-P3 colorimetry and includes only one low-end HDMI 2.0 (10 Gb/s) port that includes HDCP 2.2 ... for the first two features you need their Reference series of UHD sets. No product has full HDMI 2.0 support with HDCP 2.2 encryption. That will be later this year.

I figured it was a good introduction. I'll probably replace it in about 4 years or so and 4K will be dirt cheap and there will be something new on the market too. It was between a 55" 1080P for $588 and the one I got. I figured losing 5 inches and paying $100 more was worth it for 4K.

Another thing is this is my first smart tv. I am loving having the apps like Netflix and Vudu right on the tv.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

I figured it was a good introduction. I'll probably replace it in about 4 years or so and 4K will be dirt cheap and there will be something new on the market too. It was between a 55" 1080P for $588 and the one I got. I figured losing 5 inches and paying $100 more was worth it for 4K.

Another thing is this is my first smart tv. I am loving having the apps like Netflix and Vudu right on the tv.

Hopefully by then true 10 bit panels with more of the goodies for Ultra HD Blu-ray will be more abundant. Though, I would rather not have to wait 4 more years.

Enjoy!

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

I figured it was a good introduction. I'll probably replace it in about 4 years or so and 4K will be dirt cheap and there will be something new on the market too. It was between a 55" 1080P for $588 and the one I got. I figured losing 5 inches and paying $100 more was worth it for 4K.

Another thing is this is my first smart tv. I am loving having the apps like Netflix and Vudu right on the tv.

Hopefully by then true 10 bit panels with more of the goodies for Ultra HD Blu-ray will be readily abundant. Though, I would rather not have to wait 4 more years.

Enjoy!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

When you wrote; "She’s a sweetheart and looks like a tiger". It just reminded me of the part in Scarface when Tony goes to buy the Porsche, and he is talking about tigers.

You know what first came to my mind was Michelle (an OC girl ) as Catwoman in Batman Returns but your ‘tiger’ reference threw me.

Now that you mention it, I do remember that scene in Scarface with Elvira and Manny now as well as another in which Tony uses the tiger analogy when trying to woo her in his own way to become his wife.

[kristoffer]

In theory I guess they could improve the audio as well, but I have heard no mentions of UHD Blu-Ray audio specs?
For example 192 khz sampling?

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

In theory I guess they could improve the audio as well, but I have heard no mentions of UHD Blu-Ray audio specs?
For example 192 khz sampling?

The audio specs, more than likely, will not change from regular Blu-ray and include DTS-X into the mix (just like regular Blu-ray's). There is the new option of DTS Coreless Lossless, which probably is the same as Dolby TrueHD without the lossy core + lossless extension structure.

Blu-ray already has an option for 192 kHz sampling at up to 5.1 channels. I guess they could bump the channel count up, but I doubt they will. Audiophile audio is not on people's radar as much as it once was... sadly.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

The problem is, resolution is nothing and compression is everything

agree, I always find it hilarious when people don't get such simple stuff. Since consumer video is always very lossyly compressed the supposed resolution is more or less meaning, there can be less detail in a higher resolution stream with a lot of loss then a lower resolution stream with a lot less loss.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by slickkeng

My understanding is that it wnt be supported unless 48p can be upconverted to 60p, which is not a possibility it seems

1) unconverted is used for resolution, and is definitely the wrong term. Unfortunately I don't even know if there is a proper term for this (3:2 pull down or telecine is used when going from 24 ->60 )

2) the thing is 24fps works relatively well with 60fps i.e.= 60=24+12+24=2.5*24 or to put it simply if you have frames A B C D ... you can do AA BBB CC DDD or AAA BB CCC DD to get to 60 doubling every second frame and tripling every third. and if it is 120 =5 *60 so AAAAA BBBBB....it is even easier. with 48 it is much harder to convert to a multiple of 60 (needed in North America) and most TVS can't deal with it.


[quote] Also, just because there are currently only 3 movies using hfr, doesn't mean it wont one day be the standard. [quote]


Just to be clear I did not say there are just 3 films, Jackson was not the first to experiment with 48fps and there were others that experimented with other HFR's as well.

Why deal with shutter if you don't have to?

not sure what you mean by that. in "film" discussion shutter and frames are distinct. If you look at very old films on old projectors shutter was an issue, for ages the shutter of the film projector was at a much higher rate than the film frames.

Embrace the advances in technology it is inevitable.

I do, I just don't have blinders on. If 48fps is an advancement in Tech then 60fps is a bigger (more frames) and better (compatible with old and future tech) advancement in tech and so why should I embrace an evolutionary dead end decided by some director instead of tech that will work well

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

1) unconverted is used for resolution, and is definitely the wrong term. Unfortunately I don't even know if there is a proper term for this (3:2 pull down or telecine is used when going from 24 ->60 )

3:2 pull down is for converting 24fps to 30fps so it would apply to converting 48fps to 60fps as well as it's the same ratio.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I do, I just don't have blinders on. If 48fps is an advancement in Tech then 60fps is a bigger (more frames) and better (compatible with old and future tech) advancement in tech and so why should I embrace an evolutionary dead end decided by some director instead of tech that will work well

While uncommon there are currently some screens with a 240hz refresh rate so both 48fps and 60fps could both display perfectly on them, but first UHD Blu-ray has to support both. Native 60fps would likely look better than native 48fps, but there's no reason why UHD Blu-ray can't support both.

[ikms]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

with 48 it is much harder to convert to a multiple of 60 (needed in North America) and most TVS can't deal with it.

Yes, the cadence is a bit messy since 48 goes into 60 as ABCDEE FGHIJJ KLMNOO (repeating of every 5th frame). Something like the typical silent film 18p->24p pulldown for BD (ABCC DEFF GHII JKLL, repeat of the 4th), though some studios (Criterion notably) go for an 18p->60i interlaced pulldown approach to reduce temporal judder. In my experience the greater the interval before the next stuttered frame the more annoying the intermittent appearance becomes: the classic 3:2 for 24 to 60 (i or p) is quite reasonable while 18fps silents obviously stutter, and some outlying methods (some 24fps material is transferred to PAL repeating just the 24th frame instead of the typical 4% speedup) are the worst. I haven't seen 48p->60p, but I can imagine the result is slightly worse than MoC's Nosferatu... heck, probably closer to Kino's Nosferatu .

Which is to say, I think the previously suggested approach of doing Hobbit via 4% speedup 720p @ 50Hz for 3D BD is by far the best solution with the current (and future) standards in place. Since some people in Region A will surely have problems with it, WB should just release it in Europe region-free letting the rest of us who know what we are doing just import.

Arbitrary framerates should not be the hurdle the BD format is making them out to be, but c'est la vie. If the effort if worth it, one can always turn to HTPCs with software solutions to remedy the situation

[Geoff D]

I agree, pulldown wouldn't be ideal because it'd add noticeable judder to something that's supposed to be smooth like buttah. And personally I hate what 24fps ->60Hz looks like, never mind 48fps into 60p. I like the idea of using the 1080p50 UHD BD format with minimal interpolation but that would be 2D only (albeit with UHD BD's enhanced specs), so a 720p50 regular 3D BD would be the only way to get close to the original intent.

The trouble with either option is that the 50Hz modes are/will be reserved for the consumer hardware in countries which use such things (unless you've got a badass OPPO or whatever) so a massive release like that keeping North America and Asia out of the loop isn't gonna happen.

I honestly don't think we'll ever see a disc-based version of 48fps content, but Warners et al might do it as a downloadable computer-based option (where control over frame rates is more precise) at some point in the future.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

10-bit 4:2:0 with scalable Rec.2020/.709 output will do me just fine to start off with. If HDR has be implemented a la 3D BD (requiring new players and displays, with discs that are *technically* backwards compatible with legacy 4K gear) then so be it.

I was going back through this thread to find something and came across this post from November last year, basically I got everything I asked for and more with UHD BD, with the cherry on top of mandatory HDR.

[AK65]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I was going back through this thread to find something and came across this post from November last year, basically I got everything I asked for and more with UHD BD, with the cherry on top of mandatory HDR.

Why'd you ask for 4:2:0?

[reanimator]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I got everything I asked for and more with UHD BD, with the cherry on top of mandatory HDR.

It's going to be great. UHD-BD can't get here fast enough!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

A lady tiger.

Guess the movie reference!

Can anyone guess what two living organisms (at least some species of which) I’m thinking about that demonstrate saturated colors which lie outside the DCI P3 gamut?....and for that matter, way outside rec.709.

One flys and the other swims. They’re quite common actually.