4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

What are the chances of WWIII happening? On saying that how it hasn't happened is beyond me.

As for Ultra HD Blu-ray I'm still giddy as hell for it. I wouldn't mind another format war though. What harm could it do? They all say 4K will be niche either way.

A format war again?? That's one reason Blu-ray was hurt to begin with and some analysts think it never actually fully recovered from the HD-DVD debacle.

It would do A LOT of harm, so don't go wishing for one.

[GenPion]

We don't need a format war. There is no need for one and I doubt it will be happening. The biggest supporter of HD DVD in the last format war was Toshiba and they lost a ton on the format war divide. It's not good from a business standpoint. Now, one new format should arrive and it will basically just work as an extension to Blu-ray and won't face some of those issues, IMO.

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by GenPion

We don't need a format war. There is no need for one and I doubt it will be happening. The biggest supporter of HD DVD in the last format war was Toshiba and they lost a ton on the format war divide. It's not good from a business standpoint. Now, one new format should arrive and it will basically just work as an extension to Blu-ray and won't face some of those issues, IMO.

We definitely don't need another format war. We shouldn't have even had one between Blu-Ray & HD-DVD if you ask me. I'm not the smartest person when it comes to legal matters, but shouldn't the people behind whichever one came out first have been able to just file some kind of lawsuit shutting the other one down for copying them? I know there were technical differences between the formats, but they were both HD video on a disc. You'd think one would just be shut down for copying (or plagiarizing) the other.

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by KRW1

This was in the days when I was told that by now, every single film released would be in 3D and it would be the norm at home. You get more than 50 SACD releases a year. It's dead in the water, mate. I bought about 30 3D titles for £1 each when our Sony store closed. I've not been able to shift 'em for more than something like £1.50 a pop.

I'll concede that it's a niche market, to be sure, but it's far, far from the success it was supposed to be pre-Avatar. If someone had said back then that someone saying there were 290 reviews in total in 2015 and was counting it as successful, I'd have taken that as vindication I was right and would have worried about it no more.

A consistent stream of content that never wavers an average over 3 years says you are completely wrong.

There is a difference between sellers saying it would be EVERY movie in 3D and the idea it was DEAD on day 1 because it was shown not to be exactly that, years later. No one could really know what place 3D adoption would hold. The facts, though, state a consistent product being produced, which is a form of success insofar as its not declining. I'm not even saying its successful myself - as I want every action movie to be a native 3D title but I will defend it from hyperbole.

Now you flip flop when challenged with an argument. Dead on arrival ("day 1") turns to "dead in the water, mate", cut to some anecdotal nonsense about buying a handful of 3D titles for 1.95? Seriously, a closing down sale in which ALL other titles were likely that cheap. Good stuff..

You never go full retard. Or full McIntosh. Or full KRW1, it seems.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by nick4amber

A consistent stream of content that never wavers an average over 3 years says you are completely wrong.

There is a difference between sellers saying it would be EVERY movie in 3D and the idea it was DEAD on day 1 because it was shown not to be exactly that, years later. No one could really know what place 3D adoption would hold. The facts, though, state a consistent product being produced, which is a form of success insofar as its not declining. I'm not even saying its successful myself - as I want every action movie to be a native 3D title but I will defend it from hyperbole.

Now you flip flop when challenged with an argument. Dead on arrival ("day 1") turns to "dead in the water, mate", cut to some anecdotal nonsense about buying a handful of 3D titles for 1.95? Seriously, a closing down sale in which ALL other titles were likely that cheap. Good stuff..

You never go full retard. Or full McIntosh. Or full KRW1, it seems.

Calm down. I managed to talk to slick without calling him a retard. It's not the sort of language I'd bring to a debate.

[Bluepeace]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Content. And broadcasting. It took a long time to just get here and broadcast/cable is still 1080i. I remember not that Long ago watching football games in standard definition. So you're talking 10 years from now everyone's going to have 100 inch television set with 8K? Seriously doubt it. Especially if 4K flops.

2020 olympics are supposed to be broadcast in 8K, or at least that is what they are aiming for.

Originally Posted by GenPion

We don't need a format war.

Exactly, since it's always the crappy format that wins.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Bluepeace

Exactly, since it's always the crappy format that wins.

HD DVD most certainly did not win.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by peterthx

hd dvd most certainly did not win.

qft!

[GenPion]

Originally Posted by gregmasciola

We definitely don't need another format war. We shouldn't have even had one between Blu-Ray & HD-DVD if you ask me. I'm not the smartest person when it comes to legal matters, but shouldn't the people behind whichever one came out first have been able to just file some kind of lawsuit shutting the other one down for copying them? I know there were technical differences between the formats, but they were both HD video on a disc. You'd think one would just be shut down for copying (or plagiarizing) the other.

They weren't exactly the same product nor were they produced exactly the same way. So there was no way something like that would happen. I don't know which came first, though. I do know that this sounds like something akin to one of the digital rental shops like VUDU, Cinema Now, or M-Go suing one another for being almost identical services with only minor differences... I don't think it was a case where that could happen.

In the end, I am just glad Blu-ray won as it was the better format between the two.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by gregmasciola

We definitely don't need another format war. We shouldn't have even had one between Blu-Ray & HD-DVD if you ask me. I'm not the smartest person when it comes to legal matters, but shouldn't the people behind whichever one came out first have been able to just file some kind of lawsuit shutting the other one down for copying them? I know there were technical differences between the formats, but they were both HD video on a disc. You'd think one would just be shut down for copying (or plagiarizing) the other.

Competition is good. We would have ended up with HD DVD if Blu-ray hadn't come along and not been sued for plagiarism.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Competition is good. We would have ended up with HD DVD if Blu-ray hadn't come along and not been sued for plagiarism.

Blu-ray existed first actually.

[schan1269]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Blu-ray existed first actually.

Which alternate universe are you using?

DVD-9 was already a working format before the blu laser became usable. When it was finally usable, then came the disc for it.

But sure. Once the iHD vs Java talks broke down, studios wanted Java with ICT. Except Warner.

So if by "a movie actually planning to be released on a Blu Ray"...

Yes, that happened first. But, last I checked. Saying what movie(s) you are releasing...before there is a disc and player to actually see/buy/use is tantamount to vaporware.

(I sold consumer electronics on the wholesale market. I presented at CES. I knew what was being shown at CES 9 months prior. Both BDA and Toshiba/Warner were scrambling to get working product. I worked for a DirecTV "owned" distributor. Were were, and they still are, the only wholesaler of Toshiba, Pioneer, LG, Onkyo, Yamaha and Sharp Aquos. We sold to the other wholesalers. Product you buy from Amazon, NewEgg, TigerDirect, Crutchfield etc...came from us. Most of the time. The store you bought it from, online, never touched it)

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Blu-ray existed first actually.

Didn't HD-DVD start as AOD Advanced Optical Disc, way before Blu-ray?

[hajiketobu]

Maybe the Islamic State will fund a format war and create the Ultra HD-DVD

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Didn't HD-DVD start as AOD Advanced Optical Disc, way before Blu-ray?

No, there was Blu-ray in Japan several years before the 2006 release. It used a caddy for protection.

In the late 90's Sony proposed the DVD Forum start work on a HD format disc. The proposal was rejected out right and the rest is history.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by vargo

8K display devices in the home are a technical and commercial inevitability.

You can argue whether they are practical or necessary til the cows come home. And there are many valid points to be made. But at the end of the day the CE industry needs to keep developing and selling new stuff.

Originally Posted by dvdmike

One word..
Content.
8K is too much for 35mm, that tops out at about 6K so unless you're watching films post 2017 your out of luck

Originally Posted by harpolini

I browsed through every film shot 100% on 65/70mm and only about 8 were titles that could ever see a release and half of those wouldn't sell well. Content is right...

Not taking *sides* here but something to be aware of and often overlooked, with regards to discussing 8K TVs and Hollywood feature motion pictures… as it's not solely about 8K scanning (8192 x 3584 pixel file size) of what little, as correctly pointed out, 8K or above content (65mm 5-perf negative or IMAX 65mm 15perf) there is, but rather an 8K workflow [finishing/mastering] to make 8K masters for those 8K TVs some see as inevitably coming to consumers…

the existence of 8K finishing pipelines installed in post houses, including even high end ones such as those on the lots of a couple major Hollywood studios, which are capable of actual real time 8K color correction (which makes 8K post production practical)….could presently be described as SUPER unique….almost experimental. And I think we all know how long it took Hollywood post facilities to upgrade just to 4K end-to-end pipelines in order to produce 4K masters…..YEARS, and some outfits still don’t have that higher rez capability….and actually have been vocally reluctant to invest in it.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by schan1269

Which alternate universe are you using?

The one where you could buy a Blu-ray disc (Japanese) recorder in 2003.

Let's face it, once the BDA announced its intentions to bringing it to market as a movie playback format Toshiba saw their DVD patent cash cow going away, discarding their lame red laser super-compressed format they were developing with Warner in favor of a blue laser and higher density discs. Hence the format war that would have never started if Toshiba wasn't so short-sighted and just plain greedy.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Didn't HD-DVD start as AOD Advanced Optical Disc, way before Blu-ray?

AOD was proposed in 2002. It never came to market as AOD, renamed HD DVD and launched in 2006.


Sony/Philips were working on Blu-ray since 2000 and came to market in 2003 (then as a home video film standard in 2006).

[Kirsty_Mc]

From my memory HD-DVD was originally envisaged as a red laser based technology to encode video at 720P resolution. The reasoning being that anything above 720P for domestic use would be overkill and would not be necessary. In those days a 50 inch plasma was a huge size (and investment). You can see here that there are remarkable similarities between the arguments espoused then and now.

Again from memory HD-DVD was rushed into production as a 1080P format with a blue laser as the launch of Blu-Ray in its naked format was imminent. IMO a spoiler tactic to try and frustrate Sony.

Say what you like about Sony (I'm a fan), but if it were not for them and their insight and innovation, home cinema would not be where it is today. From what I see they have always tried to give the consumer something good, rather than something good enough.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

One word..


Content.
8K is too much for 35mm, that tops out at about 6K so unless you're watching films post 2017 your out of luck

Assuming the bolded part is true, can't you see the contradiction in your statement. 6K>4K so if you want everything the film can offer you need more than "about 6K" and definitely more than 4K.