"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[Anthony P]

Nice to see you posting here, Stacey

agree, hope we see more of him

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

agree, hope we see more of him

On another industry Insider note, I’m extending a formal invitation to “ender21”, if he’s reading, to join us here at Blu-ray.com to answer any current questions concerning the restoration as well as the Blu-ray production of Baraka, or any upcoming FotoKem restorations such as A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World (how apropos in this case) because on Blu-ray.com I’m certain his accurate inside knowledge and hands-on experience will be appreciated, unlike at a *science* forum from which ender21’s post was forwarded to me from one of those *PIX* threads, as apparently the original Baraka bashing thread has been locked…………………….

Originally Posted by ender21

“There was NO DNR used throughout the entire process.
I'm simply amazed at how many people will state they know x or y for a fact if they did not witness x or y first hand. With approximately 4 times the real estate of film from which to sample, grain reduction happens naturally………

I'm glad I don't venture into AVS much anymore... brutal.. just brutal. People tend to check civility at the door far too often…..”

Sheesh, it’s never-ending over there, is it not?
So, check in here sometime “ender21”……….the more the merrier , plus I’m curious as to whether Baraka was down-rezzed from 8k to HD via SHAKE or some other program.

P.S.
Hey RAH, given your review here………..
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...a-blu-ray.html
It would appear that you also don’t know what the hell you’re talking about in regards to evaluating picture quality of a Blu-ray movie.
lol, at least they’re not bashing the color on this Blu-ray title.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Grubert

Nice to see you posting here, Stacey.



That's something that has always intrigued me, and I would like you or Penton to chime in.

In principle, only viewing ratio should matter, but somehow actual distance also affects the viewing experience. Everything else being equal, watching a movie on a 6-foot-wide screen at 9 feet does not feel the same as watching a 60-foot-wide screen at 90 feet, despite the viewing angle being the same.

Grubert, I’ll defer to Stacey and I’ll add that it’s a true pleasure to see him posting here.

Stacey, in regards to the question you posed on the last page………

Originally Posted by Stacey Spears

Penton, please don't forget "Regions of interest for quality adjustments".

AACS has been responsive. I was simply caught off guard with the content provider license. I did not know I had to become a licensee. At least it is a one time fee. I was well aware of the key cost and per disc royalty. The replication price I was quoted, for BD25 and BD50, was a lot lower than I was expecting. Probably not something I can share.

Now I am trying to get approval to use the Blu-ray Disc logo. The only contact info they offer is fax and email. I simply want to use the logo on packaging and menu. Not sure if I can get away with an LLA or if I have to go the CPA-Lite route.

Would you happen to know if it is possible to use Blu-ray in the title of a disc? e.g. "Blu-ray Benchmark". I am worried about confusion if I go with "HD Benchmark", I don't want people to think it is an HD DVD.

I’ll check into it and get back to you, I just read your PM now and nobody is in the office but me and the mice.

[Jeff Kleist]

Stacey, great to see you here

You could always just call it "Blue Benchmark", wouldn't have the copyright problems

[Penton-Man]

Hey Max,
Your Hotspurs did well this week.
Gotta run folks !

[Bobby Henderson]

Originally Posted by Stacey Spears

Would you happen to know if it is possible to use Blu-ray in the title of a disc? e.g. "Blu-ray Benchmark".

According to graphics style guides I've seen regarding Blu-ray logos, trademarks and other verbiage, it's acceptable for companies to tailor individual tag lines. However, the phrase “Beyond High Definition” is the preferred (and strongly recommended) tag line to associate with Blu-ray Disc.

The word “Blu-ray Disc,” “BLU-RAY DISC,” “Blu-ray” or “BLU-RAY” must be separated from other words or trademarks at least with a space. You may need to incorporate the “TM” symbol after the Blu-ray term, ex. “BLU-RAY™.”

I'm pretty sure the BDA would frown on the Blu-ray logo being incorporated within verbiage of a new tag line. Style guides mandate white space around the logo at least 25% of the logo's total height. Usually the logo is an element that stands on its own and not part of a larger phrase or tag line.

[Dan S.]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Stacey, great to see you here

You could always just call it "Blue Benchmark", wouldn't have the copyright problems

Jeff- Blue? I thought better of you.

[Jeff Kleist]

Blu would bring the rain of lawyers You can't copyright a color

[Dan S.]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Blu would bring the rain of lawyers You can't copyright a color

Ferrari Red?

[Mosman22]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Long live Harry Houdini!

5 wins and one draw, I think that's good by anyone's standards...

He has brought life to the team, although man city may have been a different result if that red card hadn't been so shamelessly handed out( def no intent) in the first half. I am a bit of a Robinho and Messi mark, both of them are so exciting to watch. Basically i just am an American who loves great football, so i don't have any real allegiances although barca is my favorite team. Have you been watching barca at all, they seem to be the most dynamic team in the world right now, they are a joy to watch.

Sorry for taking this ot, i just don't know anyone who watches or follows soccer, so i never get to discuss the games i watch every weekend.

[Jeff Kleist]

Originally Posted by Dan S.

Ferrari Red?

That's a specific shade. I mean you can't stop someone from calling something "Blue"

[Mr. Cinema]

Just got back from Quantum of Solace. I'm sure I'll echo comments others have said in various places. The "herky jerky" camera crap has got to stop. You can't tell what is going on during the action in this movie. Why do filmmakers do this if we can't tell what's happening on screen? You're telling a story using visuals. Wouldn't you want your audience to see what you created? I liked the film much better when there wasn't a chase going on.

[Bobby Henderson]

Originally Posted by Dan S.

Ferrari Red?

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

That's a specific shade. I mean you can't stop someone from calling something "Blue".

Thankfully, it's not called "Blue-Ray." The term "blu" on its own is not a trademark either.

Generally, I think it was a clever idea NOT to use anything "HD" related in the Blu-ray brand name. My feeling is high definition is going to become ubiquitous pretty quickly. Once high definition is very common it won't really be high definition anymore. It will just be the new standard of standard definition. The "HD" term won't carry much pizazz after awhile -just like the term "digital" isn't all that impressive anymore either.

True Ferrari Red is a very specific (and expensive) paint mixture. A long time ago I heard real gold was used as one ingredient in the mix.

The official Blue color for Blu-ray is Pantone 2925C. For four color process printing, use 84% cyan and 21% magenta.

[Stacey Spears]

You can use the term "Blu-ray TM" w/o a license agreement per the BDA. The logo is another matter and I believe I am finally finished with that process. The main goal was being able to use the Blu-ray Disc logo on the packaging. I am curious how many use it without actually getting approval. Either the list of licensee's on the website is not up to date or...

I had not been following the Baraka Pix thread. I have not seen that much emotion since the format war. You would it was the worst looking disc every created based on the comments. Now, if they were talking about the packaging, I would understand.

If I had say anything negative about Baraka, I would say it makes anything you watch after it look like SD. Always demo this title last!

I can only image the negative comments if I were to use "blue" in a title.

[Bobby Henderson]

Blu-ray Disc is the trademark. Using the word Blu will require permission from Sony.

"Blu" isn't trademarked. The "-ray" part is a critical component of the trademark. I realize "Blu" by itself is recognizable to many as shorthand for Blu-ray. The written terms “Blu-ray Disc,” “BLU-RAY DISC,” “Blu-ray” and “BLU-RAY” are protected.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Stacey Spears

I had not been following the Baraka Pix thread. I have not seen that much emotion since the format war. You would it was the worst looking disc every created based on the comments. Now, if they were talking about the packaging, I would understand.

If I had say anything negative about Baraka, I would say it makes anything you watch after it look like SD. Always demo this title last!

Believe me, if Baraka had instead been scanned at 4k and had a 4k -> HD downcovert, the screenshot KING (a.k.a. “xylon”) as quoted here……………..
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...NG#post1294355

would have totally freaked due to the commensurate lack of grain magnification as compared to scanning that 65mm film at 8k.

And with regards to the issue of EE, apparently they don’t care to believe “ender 21” (who worked on the restoration) or what I posted here even several days before he chimed in………..
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ld#post1292168

Honestly, every time I’m compelled to read some PM that somebody sends me which includes a link to a post from an artifact hunter on one of those *PIX* threads….. if I can’t laugh it off immediately, I come out feeling like this after reading it…………….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i__Xh...eature=related

[Penton-Man]

Stacey, I haven’t forgotten about your PM, it’s just that I was out of the office all day on Friday due to a Press event and now due to a local fire in SoCal, we’re having some unexpected guests stay over whom have been evacuated from their neighborhood.

I may even have to take off a couple days from work next week to help them out, so please be patient. I’ll do what I can.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Stacey Spears

I know its not 70mm, but I watched Standard Operating Procedure while it was in theaters. I thought the wide and close-up shots of those being interviewed looked fine. When I re-watched it at home, on BD, I could easily tell that the close-ups were cropped and zoomed in from the wide shots. They looked softer.

Screen size plays a big role. You should attend NAB and see the demo of 4k (3.2k) in the RED booth. Its worth a look.

If anyone is bored, I have placed 3 TIFFs from my montage here: http://cid-b629ab201046500b.skydrive...browse.aspx/SM These are 4k 16-bit TIFFs exported from SCRATCH.

In case you missed my post here from a ways back concerning the Motorola commercial utilizing a Dalsa 4k Origin camera for the acquisition of the imagery…..
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5846

The raw 4k images were converted to TIFF files and some of these (at least of a portion of the frame) was magnified to be used as part of the picture on billboards in various parts of the world for advertising the product with David Beckham as the face man.

Despite the fact that the blown-up images on the billboards looked soft compared to the 4k TIFFs, they looked pretty dang good from a distance……..considering.

Oh, by the way, the billboard poster benefit was not the reason why the Dalsa 4k Origin was chosen for the shoot.

[Stacey Spears]

I may even have to take off a couple days from work next week to help them out, so please be patient. I’ll do what I can.

As of Friday afternoon, I believe everything is OK. I have signed and shipped the necessary paperwork.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

due to a local fire in SoCal, we’re having some unexpected guests stay over whom have been evacuated from their neighborhood.

More coyotes?

Saw the fire this past night going to see Quantum of Solace. Looks like firefighters are getting a bead on the Sylmar fire, but the Yorba Linda one is the one to worry about now.

Who would have thought this late in November?