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Penton-Man · 08-31-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

Oh yeah, another question for PM...
Has this Blu-ray release been cancelled?
Assassination of a High School President Announced on BD

~Alan

I’ll check into it for you.

syncguy · 09-01-2009, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...
Then, when the material makes its way through DI, they all freak because the final grading ends up making the film look as though it’s in some weird color space (compared to the dailies) and it takes a ‘strong-minded’ Director and D.P. to see the process thru to the end despite all the yelping from the peanut gallery (see above)….constantly reminding them that dailies are just dailies.

Thanks. This is interesting... yes, dailies are just dailies. I am not sure how these are finally screened. Would it be easier for people to differentiate picture details/quality if screened on a large (say larger than 120") screen with a seating distance of about two screen heights. (They should have 20x20 vision with glasses as well ....

)

4K2K · 09-01-2009, 04:34 AM

Why shoot TV productions in 16mm instead of using full HD video cameras? Isn't the grain size of 16mm a problem when compressing, and isn't it easier to create a high quality broadcastable picture using HD video - or is it just that the look of 16mm is preferred and the brightness range is better? What are the differences in cost, PQ, resolution, between the two? And don't broadcasters like the BBC prefer HD now instead of 16mm?

Jeff Kleist · 09-01-2009, 06:20 AM

BBC historically has shot on video whenever possible. Monty Python among other programs (I believe classic DR. Who) would shoot 16mm on location and video in the studio. A huge number of their shows from the last 10-15 years were shot on video, and then FilmLook'd (Neo-Dr. Who among them)

Doctorossi · 09-01-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

BBC historically has shot on video whenever possible. Monty Python among other programs (I believe classic DR. Who) would shoot 16mm on location and video in the studio. A huge number of their shows from the last 10-15 years were shot on video, and then FilmLook'd (Neo-Dr. Who among them)

Yes, this is all accurate.

syncguy · 09-01-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 4K2K

Why shoot TV productions in 16mm instead of using full HD video cameras? Isn't the grain size of 16mm a problem when compressing, and isn't it easier to create a high quality broadcastable picture using HD video - or is it just that the look of 16mm is preferred and the brightness range is better? What are the differences in cost, PQ, resolution, between the two? And don't broadcasters like the BBC prefer HD now instead of 16mm?

What is the real issue of 16mm. I though it could easily match a 1080p video camera. Is it fundamental 16mm grain issue or a post-production issue.

Penton-Man · 09-01-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 4K2K

Why shoot TV productions in 16mm instead of using full HD video cameras?

Because, in general, they can’t afford to shoot in 35mm. primarily due to the cost of stock and processing (35 vs 16 camera rental fees and film to tape transfer are not much of issue in regards to cost between the two) but, they desire to be more artistic and evocative with the visuals compared to your typical sit-com shot with HD cams.

Penton-Man · 09-01-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 4K2K

Isn't the grain size of 16mm a problem when compressing, and isn't it easier to create a high quality broadcastable picture using HD video -

Yes and yes.
It is more difficult for a compression codec to compress anything that is more random and prevalent than something that is not so - whether it be fast movement, grain or noise. The most challenging being all three combined………..

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ll#post1856580

Penton-Man · 09-01-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by syncguy

What is the real issue of 16mm. I though it could easily match a 1080p video camera.....

How something is shot using the Super 16 format is of critical importance in how it will translate to the HD experience compared to other types of image acquisition.

Resolution is not a big problem as it would be for smaller guage such as Super 8.

Penton-Man · 09-01-2009, 04:27 PM

Deci, Dr. A, NeoReloaded (others who personally petitioned me in weeks past

), did you catch the relevant (for you) news in regards to the PS3 today?

PS3 3.0 Firmware Version Goes Online

The relevant updates include:

PAL error corrected: with firmware versions 2.70 through 2.80, if during BD playback a North American PS3 encountered a section of video encoded in a PAL refresh rate (576i50, 576p50 or 1080i50), it stopped playback, displayed an error message and reverted to the XMB, even if the BD in question was region-free. Now it just skips forward, as it used to do with previous firmware versions.

FourToedStatue · 09-01-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

"our mediocre penny pinching post production pipeline made the film look bad and further, we are not about to spend the dough to re-transfer it".

C.C. 8/31/09

Wait what?

EDIT:

OHH LOL! That was celluloid. I thought you were serious

4K2K · 09-01-2009, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Deci, Dr. A, NeoReloaded (others who personally petitioned me in weeks past

), did you catch the relevant (for you) news in regards to the PS3 today?

PS3 3.0 Firmware Version Goes Online

The relevant updates include:

PAL error corrected: with firmware versions 2.70 through 2.80, if during BD playback a North American PS3 encountered a section of video encoded in a PAL refresh rate (576i50, 576p50 or 1080i50), it stopped playback, displayed an error message and reverted to the XMB, even if the BD in question was region-free. Now it just skips forward, as it used to do with previous firmware versions.

Is it possible for it to be changed to be able to play 50i/p content like the US Samsung, Momitsu, LG & Oppo players can? The European PS3's can play 50, 60 & 24hz content so couldn't a firmware update allow the US ones to play the content back too?

FourToedStatue · 09-01-2009, 05:55 PM

Penton what would have to happen for Sony to fall back in love with releasing more tv shows on Blu ray? While disappointing I understand not releasing catalog tv shows but not getting new releases like Damages season 2 in HD is a real bummer.

SquidPuppet · 09-01-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FourToedStatue

Penton what would have to happen for Sony to fall back in love with releasing more tv shows on Blu ray? While disappointing I understand not releasing catalog tv shows but not getting new releases like Damages season 2 in HD is a real bummer.

Yes......

.... What's it gunna take?

Alan Gordon · 09-01-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Yes......

.... What's it gunna take?

Yeah PM, what's it going to take?

or

Beating a dead horse... bringing up/asking something that has been discussed a thousand times before

~Alan

pro-bassoonist · 09-01-2009, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Dr. A...did you catch the relevant (for you) news in regards to the PS3 today?

Good afternoon Penton,

I received a number of Thank You emails this morning that I do not deserve. As only you were instrumental in correcting the PAL issue with the PS3, I would like to publicly thank you for your continuous support of our community. (The rest is in the PM).

Pro-B

jbracciante · 09-01-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 4K2K

Is it possible for it to be changed to be able to play 50i/p content like the US Samsung, Momitsu, LG & Oppo players can? The European PS3's can play 50, 60 & 24hz content so couldn't a firmware update allow the US ones to play the content back too?

What he said. There are many US display devices (projectors, computer monitors, select tv's) that support 1080i50. Sony's logic NO TV's support it so why bother adding it, doesnt really hold up here.

PeterTHX · 09-01-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

Looks like the DTS thread...

PeterTHX · 09-01-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jbracciante

What he said. There are many US display devices (projectors, computer monitors, select tv's) that support 1080i50. Sony's logic NO TV's support it so why bother adding it, doesnt really hold up here.

Well, do SONY TVs support it?

There's your answer....

(Disclaimer: I have owned and recommended nothing but SONY TVs since 1988, so it's not a biggie to me)

Alan Gordon · 09-01-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Looks like the DTS thread...

LOL!!

I rarely venture over there any more... but that is a fairly good representation of what it looked like last time I was there.

~Alan

09-01-2009, 04:34 AM	#10483
4K2K Special Member Top contributor Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Region B	Why shoot TV productions in 16mm instead of using full HD video cameras? Isn't the grain size of 16mm a problem when compressing, and isn't it easier to create a high quality broadcastable picture using HD video - or is it just that the look of 16mm is preferred and the brightness range is better? What are the differences in cost, PQ, resolution, between the two? And don't broadcasters like the BBC prefer HD now instead of 16mm? Last edited by 4K2K; 09-01-2009 at 04:38 AM.

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Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	Deci, Dr. A, NeoReloaded (others who personally petitioned me in weeks past ), did you catch the relevant (for you) news in regards to the PS3 today? PS3 3.0 Firmware Version Goes Online The relevant updates include: PAL error corrected: with firmware versions 2.70 through 2.80, if during BD playback a North American PS3 encountered a section of video encoded in a PAL refresh rate (576i50, 576p50 or 1080i50), it stopped playback, displayed an error message and reverted to the XMB, even if the BD in question was region-free. Now it just skips forward, as it used to do with previous firmware versions.

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FourToedStatue Active Member Member since:Sep 2006	Penton what would have to happen for Sony to fall back in love with releasing more tv shows on Blu ray? While disappointing I understand not releasing catalog tv shows but not getting new releases like Damages season 2 in HD is a real bummer.

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