"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

For instance, last Saturday night Steven S. revealed he was planning a project set to begin this autumn which would be shot in stereoscopic 3D.

Attention Stacey Spears – He also mentioned that “Knockout” is being captured with Build 31 of the Red camera. Exactly how many ‘Builds’ does that make it now?

Just teasing you Stacey, as one fine thing that the Red folks did was to make Red Rocket available to filmmakers. For those that aren’t following me, the product makes it possible for real time processing of the compressed files into common RGB formats…the card retails for a robust $5,000.

[Penton-Man]

Finally, since there is a strong Italian genealogy in my family tree , which prompted me to actually take off a day from work last week to watch the Barcelona – Inter Milan match live with family and friends, this bit of 3D news should make grandpa in Roma happy….

http://www.variety.com/article/VR111...ryId=3764&cs=1

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

I'm not saying you aren't entitled to fester (in your own thread, at the least), but let's talk about some informed topics and lead by example, eh?

In order to prevent “festering” a good General Surgeon will debride the infected tissue (in this case people and places) so that the whole body (the internet at-large) will be a happy, healthy place.

So, in the spirit of debridement (there might be a wiki definition for it), might I bump this post again for maximum visibility?
https://forum.blu-ray.com/insider-di...ml#post3222143

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Peter THX, this is for you and don’t tell me that Friday night is a “work” night…
http://www.oscars.org/events-exhibit...010/tommy.html

Appreciated.
But would you believe me if I told you I wasn't a The Who fan?

Intriguing they're going to present it in the original 5-channel. I wonder if they'll use the orignal discrete masters or go with the matrixed version...which is similar to today's Dolby ProLogic II.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

P-Man, all this blather about the "scientists" is beginning to hit me on the same level as the periodic waves of format-war revivalism. It appears my internet options have boiled down to:

go there and read AVS

or

go here and read about AVS

I'm not saying you aren't entitled to fester (in your own thread, at the least), but let's talk about some informed topics and lead by example, eh?

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Then don’t read this thread.

You guys seemingly love to ‘call out’ the studios, the filmmakers and the mastering technicians routinely on a daily basis as to something that doesn’t meet your expectations...why can’t I occasionally ‘call out’ forums and specific forum members for their persistent nonsense?

Anyway, just for you , I’ll indulge you this morning.

Agreed with Penton.

I'll also point out that there are members here who participate in both forums and all to often use their "screenshot" threads to make a point on a particular topic here.
So for Penton and others to call out their ridiculous-ness or expose their agendas does a service to our members. Some who might otherwise be unaware.

Besides, I could have sworn I heard Penton singing "It's my thread and I'll do what I want to..."

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Besides, I could have sworn I heard Penton singing "It's my thread and I'll do what I want to..."

Scares the hell out of my wife on a daily basis.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Agreed with Penton.

I'll also point out that there are members here who participate in both forums and all to often use their "screenshot" threads to make a point on a particular topic here.
So for Penton and others to call out their ridiculous-ness or expose their agendas does a service to our members. Some who might otherwise be unaware.

You see zee BIG picture.

[Penton-Man]

But hey, Docrossi, I’m flexible.
What are they talking about on Jeff’s thread today? I’ve got a few minutes for lunch.

[Penton-Man]

Road to Perdition
I have ‘information’ for Doc. It’ll take a minute to glean some choice quotes. Pardonez-moi.

[Penton-Man]

Doc,
Isn’t there some PQ tier thread on *the internet* which extols the virtues of ‘eye candy’ and by doing so, rates their Blu-rays accordingly?

And isn’t one of the prerequisites to such fine PQ is that of a lot *depth of field* and *dimensionality* exist in the imagery in order for the Blu-ray to be ranked ‘Top Tier’? No need to answer, folks tell me the answer is yes.

Well, this info may come as a downer to some PQ tier aficionados in regards to Road to Perdition. I'll quote the camera operator for Conrad Hall from the classic article about the motion picture…
”consistently shot at the bottom of the aperture. We shot a lot at T1.9 to T2.5, which cut down depth of field, made the focal plane more specific and softened the backlight.”

Hell, I’ll quote Connie Hall himself…"I like to shoot wide open, with only one point in the depth of field sharply focused”. With Perdition, I like to call the look ’soft noir.’”

I ask you sir, how will the PQ tier internet elitists respond to such cinematographic blasphemy which goes directly against one of their basic tenants of a ‘Top Tiered’ Blu-ray…that be great depth of field to the imagery?

By the way, more ‘information’ which you will not find in the respective thesac article, for those budding filmmakers out there and true cinephiles is that a fabulous example of Connie’s technique is in the scene where the camera focus follows John Rooney and Michael Sullivan as they recede in the background while Michael Sullivan, Jr. almost fills the frame in an out of focus close-up. Great stuff!

To those who are wondering, yes I still recognize and appreciate great 2D imagery...without screenshots.

[Tok]

Now that it is pretty apparent that SPR has a AV sync issue. Is there anyway we can get Paramount to fix it?

I am tired that too many high profile releases are having some flaw of one type or another. It's like they intentionally create these flaws so they have a chance to sell them again down the road as new and improved.

Come on! Get it right the first time.

I still find it funny to this day the Lucasfilm claims that the L-R swapping of the music track in the surrounds was intentional on Ep. IV. on the DVD release.

As far as SPR, there is no excuse that a modern film should have a visible audio video sync error. Again get it right the first time or Paramount/Dreamworks OWN up to it, fix it and replace it. I am seriously considering skipping this release because of this MINOR my arse issue.

Penton who do we need to hound to have them FIX IT!

[Monkey]

Hell, I’ll quote Connie Hall himself…"I like to shoot wide open, with only one point in the depth of field sharply focused”. With Perdition, I like to call the look ’soft noir.’”

We already know what the screenshot "scientist/engineers" (Kram, Xylon, Eric.exe) will say based on history of anything out of focus.. "look at all the DNR, this is a total disaster" "Nothing worth praise".

[DenonCI]

Originally Posted by CraigW

Now that it is pretty apparent that SPR has a AV sync issue. Is there anyway we can get Paramount to fix it?

I am tired that too many high profile releases are having some flaw of one type or another. It's like they intentionally create these flaws so they have a chance to sell them again down the road as new and improved.

Come on! Get it right the first time.

I still find it funny to this day the Lucasfilm claims that the L-R swapping of the music track in the surrounds was intentional on Ep. IV. on the DVD release.

As far as SPR, there is no excuse that a modern film should have a visible audio video sync error. Again get it right the first time or Paramount/Dreamworks OWN up to it, fix it and replace it. I am seriously considering skipping this release because of this MINOR my arse issue.

Penton who do we need to hound to have them FIX IT!

Why are some having it and some not? Is it hardware dependent?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by CraigW

...Penton who do we need to hound to have them FIX IT!

Well, ‘hounding’ never does much good, it just antagonizes people. If there is indeed a problem, like Denon asks, which is not hardware dependent, I would simply e-mail Bill Hunt about the issue, as he is in regular contact with Ron Smith (V.P. level) over at Paramount.

That would be the most efficient and effective solution if there has truly been some AV synch oversight in the Blu-ray production. I haven’t been following the situation.

[Jeff Kleist]

Paramounts usual people didn't do it. Anyone experiencing the problem please dump hardware lists in my thread, bitstream or analog and make sire your firmware is updated

thanks

[DenonCI]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Paramounts usual people didn't do it. Anyone experiencing the problem please dump hardware lists in my thread, bitstream or analog and make sire your firmware is updated

thanks

Jeff,

I've tested on both an Oppo player and a Pioneer BD-Rom drive in a computer. There is a slight lipsych of maybe 20 ms or so, but it only lasts for a couple of lines of dialog, then everything is OK again. I've seen much worse.

As a test I pulled out my old copy on DVD (the DTS version) and watched the same scene. The lipsynch issue is there as well (less pronounced), although the picture is so damn fuzzy you can't see the lips clearly enough to tell for sure.

[Jeff Kleist]

Sounds to me like an ADR problem then, part of the movie

[DenonCI]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Sounds to me like an ADR problem then, part of the movie

That's my theory as well, although the DVD isn't as bad as the BD.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by DenonCI

That's my theory as well, although the DVD isn't as bad as the BD.

I have not seen the BD, but isn't that always true. The more detail you have the easier it will be to see things?

[Jeff Kleist]

A lot of people have been confusing ADR mistimings with sync issues. Bigger image+higher resolution makes it much more apparent yes. The last time most people saw Private Ryan was probably on a TV with half the acreage and 1/5 the resolution