4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

More Lionsgate banding for Geoff!

Banding doubtful; however, the motion picture presentation is in jeopardy of ‘softening’. But, of course, the general populace will never know (what could have been) as they never saw the un-squished source files.

[Penton-Man]

For those not following the concept, or new subscribers to the thread, ’soft’ revisited as pertaining to bitrates.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Daaaaayum. Lean it is! But what's the difference between the interop DCP and the SMPTE, I recall you mentioning it before but what actual advantages will the SMPTE bring?

It looked rather 1080p in my fleapit

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Banding doubtful; however, the motion picture presentation is in jeopardy of ‘softening’. But, of course, the general populace will never know (what could have been) as they never saw the un-squished source files.

True enough about the DCP, I haven't seen any banding on any Lionsgate movies I've seen theatrically but dat Blu-ray will be Bandsville, TN.

[Penton-Man]

Geoff, this season, you don’t have to remind me not to miss it, as I'm ready with all the DVRs in our primary residence prepared to record it. Although I wish I could get the match in 4K like some others - http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2015/...a-in-ultra-hd/

[Penton-Man]

There’s some 4K acquisition and finishing in here…. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...ead-asc-841844

[Penton-Man]

Any of our Japanese membership here attend Inter BEE 2015 and see the demo by SKY Perfect JSAT showing the live 4K HDR content (http://www.sptvjsat.com/load_pdf.php...&pRi=409&pJe=2 )

at the Sony booth...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfe-...utu.be&t=4m47s

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Any of our Japanese membership here attend Inter BEE 2015 and see the demo by SKY Perfect JSAT showing the live 4K HDR content (http://www.sptvjsat.com/load_pdf.php...&pRi=409&pJe=2 )

at the Sony booth...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfe-...utu.be&t=4m47s

Well, is anyone fluent enough to translate what the roving reporter is saying about HDR there ^ or here…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfe-...outu.be&t=7m8s

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Geoff, this season, you don’t have to remind me not to miss it, as I'm ready with all the DVRs in our primary residence prepared to record it....

where we (my wife and I) had a house full of friends over to together watch and experience the match…..friends who were either avid Real Madrid or Barcelona fans, the later gloating and ribbing the former for a good portion of the duration of the broadcast.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Any of our Japanese membership here attend Inter BEE 2015 and see the demo by SKY Perfect JSAT showing the live 4K HDR content (http://www.sptvjsat.com/load_pdf.php...&pRi=409&pJe=2 )

at the Sony booth...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfe-...utu.be&t=4m47s

For those readers unfamiliar with the prestigious nature of Inter BEE and its demos , e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqz...utu.be&t=2m15s ,

this serves as an intro to its status (right up there with NAB and IBC) and history…. http://www.fdtimes.com/2015/10/07/inter-bee-2015-japan/

[eriaur]

Ultraflix has different quality levels of 4k programming silver, gold and platinum. Platinum = Native 4k
Gold = Older film transfers
Silver = Upconverted 1080p

Full list of Paramount titles to be added to UltraFlix (to be remastered in UHD by 4K Studios?) (https://ntek.com/)

http://omnivanceadvisors.com/wp-cont...unt-Titles.pdf

[Show spoiler]4K Studios, for instance, has invested more than $750K in 4K film scanning and post-processing equipment.

“The equipment enables us to efficiently and effectively scan 16mm and 35mm film using proprietary multi-scans per frame at a variety of colour and light-levels to capture a highly optimised Wide Dynamic Range (WDR) 4K digital scan of each frame,” explains Rudis.

“We also apply a dynamic and optimised de-noise filter and colour correction process to efficiently produce a pristine 4K raw master file. As a final step, we scan through each frame of the film and manually remove scratches and any remaining artifacts. The end result is a near-perfect 4K scan which is a raw mezzanine master file awaiting final encoding for streaming OTT delivery.”

A two-hour film requires cleaning, scanning, optimising and encoding, which should ideally take three to four days. A damaged print with many defects would take many more man hours, according to NanoTech.

Rudis goes on to explain that the conversion process NanoTech undertakes doesn’t just involve up-scaling.

“Upscaled content is muddy and full of artifacts. It’s just not acceptable if you are expecting the true 4K resolution experience. Upscaled is just that … stretching pixels. This process has gotten smarter with advanced interpolation algorithms, which we are successfully implementing. Optimised scaling will have a home in the 4K ecosystem as 99+% of all digital content today is less than 4K and presenting that content in its best light on 4K TVs is important. We understand this. That’s why we chose the NVidia Tegra-4 for our Android-powered OTT set-top box. The Tegra-4 has an amazing built-in scaler — one of the best we’ve ever seen. The 2K (1080p) content being delivered from Amazon, M-GO, Vudu, Netflix and YouTube will absolutely look better on a 4K TV when decoded, scaled and output to a 4K TV rather than allowing the TV to do the up-scaling.

“With that said, NanoTech is also a major proponent of true/native 4K. In addition to more native pixels, we also have the inherent benefit of 10-bit colour vs. 8-bit, which is used in HD. 8-bit means that for red(R), green(G), and blue(B), the values 0 to 255 can be represented. For 10-bit, the RGB values can be from 0 to 1023. This means that per component, 10-bit is four times as detailed as 8-bit. And, if you had a raw image with 10-bit depth, it would have a colour palette 64 times as large (4x4x4=64) to represent the image on your screen. In addition to a more accurate representation of color, it also means that deep colours and blacks are presented in much more detail, lending drama and sometimes a ‹nearly 3D depth to the imagery. We will be providing both an optimised HD to 4K scaling solution as well as all the benefits native 4K has to offer,” he explains.

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[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

For those readers unfamiliar with the prestigious nature of Inter BEE and its demos , e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqz...utu.be&t=2m15s

A Note to add to the above ^ presentation : the helicopter scene overlooking the City is finished from a 4K 16 bit acquisition and workflow….

which helps bring out the full potential of HDR as explained in the hyperlinks also reminding young cinematographers that if one is looking to achieve thee absolute best possible result, lensers need to shoot thick negatives and filmmakers (post house supervisors) need to preserve that dynamic range throughout the whole pipeline.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by eriaur

Full list of Paramount titles to be added to

“Upscaled content is muddy and full of artifacts. It’s just not acceptable if you are expecting the true 4K resolution experience. Upscaled is just that … stretching pixels. This process has gotten smarter with advanced interpolation algorithms, which we are successfully implementing. Optimised scaling will have a home in the 4K ecosystem as 99+% of all digital content today is less than 4K and presenting that content in its best light on 4K TVs is important. We understand this. That’s why we chose the NVidia Tegra-4 for our Android-powered OTT set-top box. The Tegra-4 has an amazing built-in scaler — one of the best we’ve ever seen. The 2K (1080p) content being delivered from Amazon, M-GO, Vudu, Netflix and YouTube will absolutely look better on a 4K TV when decoded, scaled and output to a 4K TV rather than allowing the TV to do the up-scaling.

So wait a minute: "upscaling is useless so we created.... Better upscaling"

I don't get this....

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

So wait a minute: "upscaling is useless so we created.... Better upscaling"

I don't get this....

no no no

"upscaling is useless so we're rebranding it as optimized scaling."

[eriaur]

Good line from thepress release

patent pending super-resolution high-quality scaling techniques

[Penton-Man]

When it comes to divulging tidbits, or insider nuggets from time to time, for describing in a continuously detailed fashion, I think Ridley puts us all to shame….

BLADE RUNNER Sequel Opening Scene Revealed by Director Ridley Scott - YouTube

[D2Girls]

I've a question about UHD blu rays.
How exactly can they fit movies on a single disc?
Isn't UHD essentially 4x the information/data? So... will UHD blu ray utilize a new form of disc with 4 50gb layers or something? I just don't see how a 2 or a 2 and a half hour movie can fit on a single disc @ 250Mb/s bitrate.

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by D2Girls

I've a question about UHD blu rays.
How exactly can they fit movies on a single disc?
Isn't UHD essentially 4x the information/data? So... will UHD blu ray utilize a new form of disc with 4 50gb layers or something? I just don't see how a 2 or a 2 and a half hour movie can fit on a single disc @ 250Mb/s bitrate.

"HEVC is said to double the data compression ratio compared to H.264/MPEG-4 AVC at the same level of video quality. It can alternatively be used to provide substantially improved video quality at the same bit rate."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_E...y_Video_Coding

[D2Girls]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

"HEVC is said to double the data compression ratio compared to H.264/MPEG-4 AVC at the same level of video quality. It can alternatively be used to provide substantially improved video quality at the same bit rate."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_E...y_Video_Coding

how substantial is substantial..? it'd have to be 4x better at compression would it not?

[dubious]

Originally Posted by D2Girls

how substantial is substantial..? it'd have to be 4x better at compression would it not?

More of the pixels in the same frame and through the duration of scenes would be of the same color or similar so compression would be more efficient in theory. Apply a newer compression algorithm, HEVC, on top of that.