"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[DenonCI]

Jeff,

My Mom is no Trekie, and she loved the movie. I agree there are some "issues" with the changes in the Universe, but they aren't a deal killer. The casting was perfect and the movie a lot of fun IMHO.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by DenonCI

Jeff,

My Mom is no Trekie, and she loved the movie. I agree there are some "issues" with the changes in the Universe, but they aren't a deal killer. The casting was perfect and the movie a lot of fun IMHO.

Just remember. It's a new divergant timeline/reality. The original reality/timeline still exists.

[DenonCI]

Originally Posted by Beast

Just remember. It's a new divergant timeline/reality. The original reality/timeline still exists.

I realize that, but they did get the Romulan issue wrong. New timeline or not, no one knew that Romulan's and Vulcan's looked alike (yet)--if I'm remembering my Trek history correct.

[GreenScar]

Originally Posted by DenonCI

I realize that, but they did get the Romulan issue wrong. New timeline or not, no one knew that Romulan's and Vulcan's looked alike (yet)--if I'm remembering my Trek history correct.

I think their introduction to the Romulans was that event at the beginning of the movie.

lacking the heart and soul that made it a winning franchise for 40 years"

It wasn't always winning, there were a lot of losing years in there.

[DenonCI]

Jason,

You may be right. I didn't think about it from that angle...although they did state an "unknown alien vessel, which disappeared" after the engagement.

But that being said, 25 years did pass of "changed history," so maybe other things changed behind the scenes. Either way, I really liked the movie and our whole family enjoyed it....loved the humor!

[Nick Graham]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Hardly, that wasn't Star Trek, disgregard everything you saw That was, as my friend put it "A superficial representation of the hazy collective memory of what Star Trek is, lacking the heart and soul that made it a winning franchise for 40 years"

I even took my mother to it yesterday at her request for Mother's day, and while she does not usually subscribe to my views on remakes, she agreed with that assessment Just remember, the masses used to want to burn witches too, eventually they'll come around

Watch Khan this weekend, you'll see the difference.

I'm sure Bill's happy though

I'm *really* tempted to bust out the old Shatner on SNL clip, but I respect you too much for that. As for it being "a winning franchise for 40 years", considering none of the TNG films lived up to their potential and gave us a film comparable to 2,4, or 6, I'd slice *at least* a decade off that quote.

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by Nick Graham

considering none of the TNG films lived up to their potential and gave us a film comparable to 2,4, or 6, I'd slice *at least* a decade off that quote.

I'm sorry... but "First Contact" was fantastic, and some silliness aside, I felt "Insurrection" was somewhat comparable to IV. I hadn't seen "Nemesis" in a while, so I can't comment on it.

~Alan

[Objectivity]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, that’s fine and dandy in a perfect world but, I can just hear some studio executives saying something to the effect…..

“And when exactly are we obligated to inform viewers as to certain cinematographic styles and when are we not? Where do we draw the line as to what technique and how much of it (% of the movie) deems ‘needing explanation’.”
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All this can become a sticky wicket very quickly. Add to the fact that with some of these older motion pictures, the primary filmmakers have passed away. So, who does legal contact to make certain that the informational inserts or what not, are acceptable to the original creators’ intent?

I think you may be (intentionally) overthinking this a bit.

For those films where there may be a fan interest in the artistic stylings being accurate, wouldn't a simple sticker saying, "Director Approved Transfer" or "Filmmaker Approved Transfer" be a workable solution? If I know Bobby Flay created the recipe for my meal, I don't need to ask for the ingredient list.

Or, as a marketing bonanza (and I'm sure a $10 markup) why not create a "Director's Intent" line or "Premier" line for catalog titles that undergo retransfers with an effort to recreate the theatrical experience as accurately as possible.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Hardly, that wasn't Star Trek, disgregard everything you saw That was, as my friend put it "A superficial representation of the hazy collective memory of what Star Trek is, lacking the heart and soul that made it a winning franchise for 40 years"

I even took my mother to it yesterday at her request for Mother's day, and while she does not usually subscribe to my views on remakes, she agreed with that assessment Just remember, the masses used to want to burn witches too, eventually they'll come around

Watch Khan this weekend, you'll see the difference.

I'm sure Bill's happy though

Well, I tracked down which Trek movie was filmed outside of Ridgecrest.
It was Star Trek V.
I would be interested in watching that one for sentimental purposes as described above.
Is V any good?

[horseflesh]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Is V any good?

The cheesy 80's alien-invasion mini-series???

[Jeff Kleist]

A thousand times no

If you insist on going forward, might i suggest this to dull the pain

http://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax/sta...final-frontier

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Is V any good?

ROTFLMAO!!!

~Alan

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by horseflesh

The cheesy 80's alien-invasion mini-series???

You are aware there is a possible remake of that coming to ABC this year? ()

~Alan

[horseflesh]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

You are aware there is a possible remake of that coming to ABC this year? ()

~Alan

I did hear that, yes
I distinctly remember it the first time round; we were on vacation in Wales in 1984 (I was 12) and I had to carefully divide my evening TV viewing between V and the Olympics

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Objectivity

I think you may be (intentionally) overthinking this a bit.

For those films where there may be a fan interest in the artistic stylings being accurate, wouldn't a simple sticker saying, "Director Approved Transfer" or "Filmmaker Approved Transfer" be a workable solution? If I know Bobby Flay created the recipe for my meal, I don't need to ask for the ingredient list.

Or, as a marketing bonanza (and I'm sure a $10 markup) why not create a "Director's Intent" line or "Premier" line for catalog titles that undergo retransfers with an effort to recreate the theatrical experience as accurately as possible.

Because they all should.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Objectivity

For those films where there may be a fan interest in the artistic stylings being accurate, wouldn't a simple sticker saying, "Director Approved Transfer" or "Filmmaker Approved Transfer" be a workable solution?

Not a bad idea (the sticker thing) but, do you really think that it would do any good in cases like this, even when the Director personally elaborates more than a machine made sticker -
http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Da...reen.php?u=115

In the end, I think that there is always an *element* out there that chooses to believe what they want to believe based on their own online agendas and biases despite what sticker you place on the disc or what the Director says.

Remember the Blu-ray disc of Casino Royale?
It had some slight grain reduction applied during the encoding phase- which the Director approved of and was actually quite happy with after seeing how grainy the HD master was.
Despite this inside knowledge of the Director's wholehearted approval that was posted on forums by myself and paidgeek, how was that information 'received' ?

[Jeff Kleist]

Because DGA contracts specificaly state that all transfers are approved by the filmmakers, so unless they aren't a member of the DGA (Rodriguez, Tarantino some of the few), it's a non-issue

Superbit was essentially what you're describing. Didn't work out so well

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

ROTFLMAO!!!

~Alan

I guess you can see that I am quite similar to David Letterman in regards to this Star Trek stuff...........
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=8849

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Because DGA contracts specificaly state that all transfers are approved by the filmmakers, so unless they aren't a member of the DGA (Rodriguez, Tarantino some of the few), it's a non-issue

Is it that they MUST be approved, or that the directors have the right to approve it?

If the latter, then the sticker would then show that the director/DP actually got involved and approved the transfer.

Gary

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I guess you can see that I am quite similar to David Letterman in regards to this Star Trek stuff...........
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=8849

I actually like most aspects of "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier" (directed by William Shatner)... and even like it better than the first... and the majority of the movie better than the third as well... but I'm one of the few who feel that way, and even I admit it has it's issues... particularly near the end!

Generally, of the six released today, II, IV, and VI are regarded as the best. "II" is "Moby Dick" ("First Contact" coming out later this year is as well, and even mentions "Moby Dick" in the movie), IV has a lot of great humor with a very "GREEN" message. VI is politics in space!

I'd recommend either of the three... though II is certainly the most friendly for those unfamiliar with Trek...

~Alan