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[sharkshark]

my...lord.....

anybody up for realtime RAW 4K scrubbing/editing/colour correcting on their home computers?


http://cs5.org/?p=594#more-594


DROOOOOL.....

[Oliver K]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Define "good day".

Well I guess it all depends on the team you're rooting for

[Oliver K]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

I see you Pressed on (Preston?) all my buttons...

Oh, wait. That's the other guy again.

See? Surges and Sturges of bad puns. Join (John?) in!

OK, I'll stop now... sigh... I'll Kwa-it while I'm ahead with seven magnificent puns...

All Hail The Conquering Hero of bad puns. I had Great Expectations for you but today must be a Bad Day at sharkshark

[Oliver K]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

You missed. I had it all in Spoiler several posts up.

That Messi prick, I want to punch him in the neck. Diving bastard.

Oh, I missed that, sometimes I should click on spoilers which I usually don't as they are mostly film related and with regard to movies I don't know yet. 4 goals in a Championsleague match between two of the bst teams in the game still is a magnificent feat, you cannot arque that away.

[Oliver K]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’m still conflicted over seeing my favorite club team losing vs. watching the skill of most likely the greatest footballer in the world, singlehandedly dismember us.
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=4410

Imo Arsenal is not good enough in the defense to handle Barcelona as the way that Arsenal plays (more emphasis on offense than other clubs) is not too different in that regard from Barcelona and usually with two teams that have a similar way to play the better one on that day can win by quite a margin. I think the match against Inter will be closer as Mourinho will put more emphasis on the defense.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

However, this wouldn’t be a subtle way for you to comment on the Man U-Bayern match, would it?

Oliver, you wouldn’t happen to be from München or Bavaria? That was a damn fine match and I guess is another example of why people should never turn off the match after the first 15 min. or so.

Does anyone know if Franck Ribery or Arjen Robben (Kubrick?) are expected to be chosen as players for their respective nations in the upcoming World Cup in South Africa…
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=4410

I have not really been thinking primarily about Munich as it is not my favourite German team nor am I from Bavaria but of course it is good to be able to dream of one additional starter in the Chamions League so I am always happy when a German team gets collects some additional points and makes it to the semis in the Champions league which is quite a feat, especially against ManU. My favourite German team is Hamburg and they hardly ever get to third place in the Bundesliga so being allowed one more starter in the Champions League might help them a lot and I am keeping my fingers crossed that Inter will at most reach a tie in one of the games against Barcelona.

As has been said Ribery and Robben are both set to play for their national teams at the World Cup and the main problem for both will be to stay injury free - they are both more prone to injuries than other players.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

my...lord.....

anybody up for realtime RAW 4K scrubbing/editing/colour correcting on their home computers?


http://cs5.org/?p=594#more-594


DROOOOOL.....

Ooh! Ooh! Pick me!

[Jeff Kleist]

If you are referring to AVS, I'd just like to point out that they do have "official" official reviewers and damn good ones - most notably Ralph Potts who, in my not so humble opinion, is one of the best and a well-respected Blu-ray reviewer of long-standing (along with BR.C's own Kenneth Brown).

A shame indeed, but the inmates have been running the asylum there for a very long time now. I hope eventually the managemt will release how badly they've destroyedctheir own rep in the last five years

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Cinema Squid

If you are referring to AVS, I'd just like to point out that they do have "official" official reviewers and damn good ones - most notably Ralph Potts who, in my not so humble opinion, is one of the best and a well-respected Blu-ray reviewer of long-standing (along with BR.C's own Kenneth Brown).

Uh, what?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Peter, I said time or funding....to get the infrastructure in place. You would have to ask the Producer the particulars.

Hmm.

Hey, did you see the pro LCD which Dolby recently announced?

Not yet.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Cinema Squid

If you are referring to AVS, I'd just like to point out that they do have "official" official reviewers and damn good ones - most notably Ralph Potts who, in my not so humble opinion, is one of the best and a well-respected Blu-ray reviewer of long-standing (along with BR.C's own Kenneth Brown).

lol, as I had to check your handle because at first I thought I was reading yet another advertisement/endorsement for AVS by Todd Smith on the LOTR thread, at the same time giving a tip of the hat to Ken Brown to make it kosher to the management here. Somebody track Todd’s past posts and tell me how many of them he gives a link to, or a tip of the hat to *science*. Hey Todd, if you like it so much….then stay there!

Cinema Squid, I realize what you are saying, for instance, I’m even aware that Ralph has a law enforcement background, unless I’m confusing reviewers. I don’t think you understood what I meant by “their ‘official reviewers’ by proxy”. Please, with no disrespect to Ralph, who seems like a very nice guy but, in reality, with regards to widespread readership by regular members there, as well as visitors passing by –

*screenshot scientists* are to AVS what Vladimir Putin is to Russia
whereas,
poor Ralph is to AVS what Dmitry Medvedev is to Russia...in terms of real influence and power

….or at least was, as of a couple years ago, as I haven’t kept up with world politics as much as I would have liked to.

And I don’t appreciate your comment regarding Ken, as I feel it indirectly belittles by exclusion all of Blu-ray.com’s other fine reviewers, not to mention fellow members like Kris Deering, Dave Vaughn, Bill Hunt, etc. who also do fine “official” Blu-ray reviews and read this thread.

With all due respect to Ken who also seems like a nice fellow, I would not rate him significantly higher in terms of his reviewer skills than any of our other Blu-ray.com reviewers, although some would like to think so. I believe they are all on relatively the same plane working with the same tools to do their reviews. They don’t have access to real source evidence and they make judgments the best they can, which when you get down to the nitty-gritty and remove all the canned fluff are ultimately guesses or presumptions regarding the more complicated or esoteric stuff…..sometimes they’re correct, sometimes they’re way off base. None have worked in the filmmaking business (that I know of). None are familiar, to the best of my knowledge, with the production of HD masters other than on a very superficial basis, none have compressed/authored even one Blu-ray feature film, etc. All of which strongly factor into the ultimate appearance of Blu-ray movies and why viewers are seeing what they're seeing in their home theaters. This first-hand experience is invaluable….just ask 2themax, if he ever gives up his day job and becomes a Blu-ray reviewer.

Their true value is that they generally have seen a lot more Blu-ray product than the typical member, which gives them valuable experience, they can sure as heck write better than the typical member and they are as objective as possible while at the same time publically putting their butts on the line with their work. They’re all guys who are often more maligned rather than praised and they are to be commended for doing a pretty thankless job. But, at the end of the day, they are all playing on pretty much the same field, including Raph and Ken. I think their individual strengths and weaknesses pretty much balance out at the end when a mainstream member reads one of their reviews and then goes ahead and decides to rent or buy based upon that review.

Personally, I found it appalling that Ken wouldn’t be motivated to investigate the principal photography of The DaVinci Code (which was readily available on the web) and had a direct effect on the ‘look’ of the Blu-ray product….something I think other reviewers would have done as a matter of basic protocol. Likewise, I think it’s appalling that a reviewer which you seem to respect so much (Ralph) didn’t even know what the term ‘sepia tone’ meant up until a couple years ago……something which I think Ken and other reviewers would readily know and appreciate the significance of in their past experience with reviewing many DVDs and/or Blu-rays. So, no, I don’t think Raph and Ken are ‘playing at a higher level’ than others, as noted above, who are all good and bring something slightly different to the table.

Short of finding a part-time Blu-ray reviewer that handles film on a daily basis (RAH) or knows the inherent deficiencies of certain vendors software and how they translate into the appearance of your Blu-ray imagery (Torsten Kaiser) or somebody who works day in and day out with something like a Thomson VDC in the SMPTE Rec 709 color space, you want to give accolades to some ‘alpha dog’ Blu-ray reviewer? You find me the guy who gives the FIRST real-time Blu-ray review of a Blu-ray movie before any other real-time reviews or *screenshot* comparisons are posted on the web, and he consistently gets it ‘right’ the vast majority of the time…there is your alpha dog.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Hmm.

I'm serious, there should be further elaboration in the upcoming AC magazine or perhaps some Q&A with the Director and/or lenser on the web.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Not yet.

Well, they’ll have it at a booth a NAB and I plan to check it out *in cognito* (without my towels).
http://broadcastengineering.com/prod...408/index.html

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Oliver K

I think the match against Inter will be closer as Mourinho will put more emphasis on the defense.

"Closer" perhaps but I'll venture a bet

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Oliver K

My favourite German team is Hamburg and they hardly ever get to third place in the Bundesliga so being allowed one more starter in the Champions League might help them a lot...

You scoundrel you!
Again you bring back teenage memories, this time from the Reeperbahn in St. Pauli.
Oliver, I think you do this sort of thing to me on purpose.

[Oliver K]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

lol, as I had to check your handle because at first I thought I was reading yet another advertisement/endorsement for AVS by Todd Smith on the LOTR thread, at the same time giving a tip of the hat to Ken Brown to make it kosher to the management here. Somebody track Todd’s past posts and tell me how many of them he gives a link to, or a tip of the hat to *science*. Hey Todd, if you like it so much….then stay there!

Cinema Squid, I realize what you are saying, for instance, I’m even aware that Ralph has a law enforcement background, unless I’m confusing reviewers. I don’t think you understood what I meant by “their ‘official reviewers’ by proxy”. Please, with no disrespect to Ralph, who seems like a very nice guy but, in reality, with regards to widespread readership by regular members there, as well as visitors passing by –

*screenshot scientists* are to AVS what Vladimir Putin is to Russia
whereas,
poor Ralph is to AVS what Dmitry Medvedev is to Russia...in terms of real influence and power

….or at least was, as of a couple years ago, as I haven’t kept up with world politics as much as I would have liked to.

And I don’t appreciate your comment regarding Ken, as I feel it indirectly belittles by exclusion all of Blu-ray.com’s other fine reviewers, not to mention fellow members like Kris Deering, Dave Vaughn, Bill Hunt, etc. who also do fine “official” Blu-ray reviews and read this thread.

With all due respect to Ken who also seems like a nice fellow, I would not rate him significantly higher in terms of his reviewer skills than any of our other Blu-ray.com reviewers, although some would like to think so. I believe they are all on relatively the same plane working with the same tools to do their reviews. They don’t have access to real source evidence and they make judgments the best they can, which when you get down to the nitty-gritty and remove all the canned fluff are ultimately guesses or presumptions regarding the more complicated or esoteric stuff…..sometimes they’re correct, sometimes they’re way off base. None have worked in the filmmaking business (that I know of). None are familiar, to the best of my knowledge, with the production of HD masters other than on a very superficial basis, none have compressed/authored even one Blu-ray feature film, etc. All of which strongly factor into the ultimate appearance of Blu-ray movies and why viewers are seeing what they're seeing in their home theaters. This first-hand experience is invaluable….just ask 2themax, if he ever gives up his day job and becomes a Blu-ray reviewer.

Their true value is that they generally have seen a lot more Blu-ray product than the typical member, which gives them valuable experience, they can sure as heck write better than the typical member and they are as objective as possible while at the same time publically putting their butts on the line with their work. They’re all guys who are often more maligned rather than praised and they are to be commended for doing a pretty thankless job. But, at the end of the day, they are all playing on pretty much the same field, including Raph and Ken. I think their individual strengths and weaknesses pretty much balance out at the end when a mainstream member reads one of their reviews and then goes ahead and decides to rent or buy based upon that review.

Personally, I found it appalling that Ken wouldn’t be motivated to investigate the principal photography of The DaVinci Code (which was readily available on the web) and had a direct effect on the ‘look’ of the Blu-ray product….something I think other reviewers would have done as a matter of basic protocol. Likewise, I think it’s appalling that a reviewer which you seem to respect so much (Ralph) didn’t even know what the term ‘sepia tone’ meant up until a couple years ago……something which I think Ken and other reviewers would readily know and appreciate the significance of in their past experience with reviewing many DVDs and/or Blu-rays. So, no, I don’t think Raph and Ken are ‘playing at a higher level’ than others, as noted above, who are all good and bring something slightly different to the table.

Short of finding a part-time Blu-ray reviewer that handles film on a daily basis (RAH) or knows the inherent deficiencies of certain vendors software and how they translate into the appearance of your Blu-ray imagery (Torsten Kaiser) or somebody who works day in and day out with something like a Thomson VDC in the SMPTE Rec 709 color space, you want to give accolades to some ‘alpha dog’ Blu-ray reviewer? You find me the guy who gives the FIRST real-time Blu-ray review of a Blu-ray movie before any other real-time reviews or *screenshot* comparisons are posted on the web, and he consistently gets it ‘right’ the vast majority of the time…there is your alpha dog.

Wow - what a post!

Regarding the way a title looks and as you know more about how things work at Sony than at other studios would it be possible for somebody like Ken to ask somebody as SPHE about why a BR looks a certain way before saying that it looks DNR'd/ soft / sharpened / noisy or whatever ?

Like you for example ?

In the end though it is unfortunately mostly about how pleasing the title looks to a reviewer - I remember that Felon got bad ratings for picture quality across the board when on a technical level it seemed to have a very competent transfer.

[Mr. Cinema]

When will Sony's 3D rollout happen? Has anyone here been able to test out anything of theirs, or is that something that hasn't happened yet? I don't know when I'll opt for 3D, but I'd like to see feedback from Sony's setup. Their BDP-S470 with future 3D at $199 looks like a solid deal, not to mention all the streaming features. I'm leaning towards getting that machine as I have been thrilled with my BDP-S360. There's never a worry about a possible playback hiccup.

I believe Jeff said he preferred Samsung's glasses to Panasonic. I hope Sony's version is comfortable.

[Bobby Henderson]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

anybody up for realtime RAW 4K scrubbing/editing/colour correcting on their home computers?

It would take some pretty strong computer processing power to do it, not to mention a whole lot of RAM and perhaps a serious RAID setup.

I'm not sure when I'll upgrade my license to CS5. I need a new computer first, and reportedly Production Studio will be a 64-bit only beast. I don't know if the same is true for the Design and Web oriented suites.

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema

When will Sony's 3D rollout happen?

Sony has no plans to roll out their 3D capable HDTV sets and Blu-ray 3D capable players until sometime during summer or even early fall. The Blu-ray 3D related update for Playstation 3 isn't supposed to happen until summer as well.

I can certainly wait. It would be prudent to wait at least until year's end for any serious bugs or design limitations to surface in these TV sets. By then it should be obvious which TV sets are best to buy. I'll probably "tough it out" getting by with my dinky 40" Samsung TV set until the week or so before the 2011 Super Bowl. Then I'll get a worthy 3D capable replacement for my stolen Sony 52" XBR4 monitor.

Blu-ray 3D movie offerings will be scant for at least a couple of years. It's another good reason for most to be in no big hurry to upgrade.

[DenonCI]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

lol, as I had to check your handle because at first I thought I was reading yet another advertisement/endorsement for AVS by Todd Smith on the LOTR thread, at the same time giving a tip of the hat to Ken Brown to make it kosher to the management here. Somebody track Todd’s past posts and tell me how many of them he gives a link to, or a tip of the hat to *science*. Hey Todd, if you like it so much….then stay there!

Cinema Squid, I realize what you are saying, for instance, I’m even aware that Ralph has a law enforcement background, unless I’m confusing reviewers. I don’t think you understood what I meant by “their ‘official reviewers’ by proxy”. Please, with no disrespect to Ralph, who seems like a very nice guy but, in reality, with regards to widespread readership by regular members there, as well as visitors passing by –

*screenshot scientists* are to AVS what Vladimir Putin is to Russia
whereas,
poor Ralph is to AVS what Dmitry Medvedev is to Russia...in terms of real influence and power

….or at least was, as of a couple years ago, as I haven’t kept up with world politics as much as I would have liked to.

And I don’t appreciate your comment regarding Ken, as I feel it indirectly belittles by exclusion all of Blu-ray.com’s other fine reviewers, not to mention fellow members like Kris Deering, Dave Vaughn, Bill Hunt, etc. who also do fine “official” Blu-ray reviews and read this thread.

With all due respect to Ken who also seems like a nice fellow, I would not rate him significantly higher in terms of his reviewer skills than any of our other Blu-ray.com reviewers, although some would like to think so. I believe they are all on relatively the same plane working with the same tools to do their reviews. They don’t have access to real source evidence and they make judgments the best they can, which when you get down to the nitty-gritty and remove all the canned fluff are ultimately guesses or presumptions regarding the more complicated or esoteric stuff…..sometimes they’re correct, sometimes they’re way off base. None have worked in the filmmaking business (that I know of). None are familiar, to the best of my knowledge, with the production of HD masters other than on a very superficial basis, none have compressed/authored even one Blu-ray feature film, etc. All of which strongly factor into the ultimate appearance of Blu-ray movies and why viewers are seeing what they're seeing in their home theaters. This first-hand experience is invaluable….just ask 2themax, if he ever gives up his day job and becomes a Blu-ray reviewer.

Their true value is that they generally have seen a lot more Blu-ray product than the typical member, which gives them valuable experience, they can sure as heck write better than the typical member and they are as objective as possible while at the same time publically putting their butts on the line with their work. They’re all guys who are often more maligned rather than praised and they are to be commended for doing a pretty thankless job. But, at the end of the day, they are all playing on pretty much the same field, including Raph and Ken. I think their individual strengths and weaknesses pretty much balance out at the end when a mainstream member reads one of their reviews and then goes ahead and decides to rent or buy based upon that review.

Personally, I found it appalling that Ken wouldn’t be motivated to investigate the principal photography of The DaVinci Code (which was readily available on the web) and had a direct effect on the ‘look’ of the Blu-ray product….something I think other reviewers would have done as a matter of basic protocol. Likewise, I think it’s appalling that a reviewer which you seem to respect so much (Ralph) didn’t even know what the term ‘sepia tone’ meant up until a couple years ago……something which I think Ken and other reviewers would readily know and appreciate the significance of in their past experience with reviewing many DVDs and/or Blu-rays. So, no, I don’t think Raph and Ken are ‘playing at a higher level’ than others, as noted above, who are all good and bring something slightly different to the table.

Short of finding a part-time Blu-ray reviewer that handles film on a daily basis (RAH) or knows the inherent deficiencies of certain vendors software and how they translate into the appearance of your Blu-ray imagery (Torsten Kaiser) or somebody who works day in and day out with something like a Thomson VDC in the SMPTE Rec 709 color space, you want to give accolades to some ‘alpha dog’ Blu-ray reviewer? You find me the guy who gives the FIRST real-time Blu-ray review of a Blu-ray movie before any other real-time reviews or *screenshot* comparisons are posted on the web, and he consistently gets it ‘right’ the vast majority of the time…there is your alpha dog.

Great post Penton...well said.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

lol, as I had to check your handle because at first I thought I was reading yet another advertisement/endorsement for AVS by Todd Smith on the LOTR thread, at the same time giving a tip of the hat to Ken Brown to make it kosher to the management here. Somebody track Todd’s past posts and tell me how many of them he gives a link to, or a tip of the hat to *science*. Hey Todd, if you like it so much….then stay there!

.

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

This site is one of, if not the most political out there. They will certainly make mention of the PQ issues, but they will also down play the hell out of it either through the final score, the PQ review or both They wont score it perfect, but it will still score higher then it deserves.

Cough cough

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

lol, as I had to check your handle because at first I thought I was reading yet another advertisement/endorsement for AVS by Todd Smith on the LOTR thread, at the same time giving a tip of the hat to Ken Brown to make it kosher to the management here. Somebody track Todd’s past posts and tell me how many of them he gives a link to, or a tip of the hat to *science*. Hey Todd, if you like it so much….then stay there!

Cinema Squid, I realize what you are saying, for instance, I’m even aware that Ralph has a law enforcement background, unless I’m confusing reviewers. I don’t think you understood what I meant by “their ‘official reviewers’ by proxy”. Please, with no disrespect to Ralph, who seems like a very nice guy but, in reality, with regards to widespread readership by regular members there, as well as visitors passing by –

*screenshot scientists* are to AVS what Vladimir Putin is to Russia
whereas,
poor Ralph is to AVS what Dmitry Medvedev is to Russia...in terms of real influence and power

….or at least was, as of a couple years ago, as I haven’t kept up with world politics as much as I would have liked to.

And I don’t appreciate your comment regarding Ken, as I feel it indirectly belittles by exclusion all of Blu-ray.com’s other fine reviewers, not to mention fellow members like Kris Deering, Dave Vaughn, Bill Hunt, etc. who also do fine “official” Blu-ray reviews and read this thread.

With all due respect to Ken who also seems like a nice fellow, I would not rate him significantly higher in terms of his reviewer skills than any of our other Blu-ray.com reviewers, although some would like to think so. I believe they are all on relatively the same plane working with the same tools to do their reviews. They don’t have access to real source evidence and they make judgments the best they can, which when you get down to the nitty-gritty and remove all the canned fluff are ultimately guesses or presumptions regarding the more complicated or esoteric stuff…..sometimes they’re correct, sometimes they’re way off base. None have worked in the filmmaking business (that I know of). None are familiar, to the best of my knowledge, with the production of HD masters other than on a very superficial basis, none have compressed/authored even one Blu-ray feature film, etc. All of which strongly factor into the ultimate appearance of Blu-ray movies and why viewers are seeing what they're seeing in their home theaters. This first-hand experience is invaluable….just ask 2themax, if he ever gives up his day job and becomes a Blu-ray reviewer.

Their true value is that they generally have seen a lot more Blu-ray product than the typical member, which gives them valuable experience, they can sure as heck write better than the typical member and they are as objective as possible while at the same time publically putting their butts on the line with their work. They’re all guys who are often more maligned rather than praised and they are to be commended for doing a pretty thankless job. But, at the end of the day, they are all playing on pretty much the same field, including Raph and Ken. I think their individual strengths and weaknesses pretty much balance out at the end when a mainstream member reads one of their reviews and then goes ahead and decides to rent or buy based upon that review.

Personally, I found it appalling that Ken wouldn’t be motivated to investigate the principal photography of The DaVinci Code (which was readily available on the web) and had a direct effect on the ‘look’ of the Blu-ray product….something I think other reviewers would have done as a matter of basic protocol. Likewise, I think it’s appalling that a reviewer which you seem to respect so much (Ralph) didn’t even know what the term ‘sepia tone’ meant up until a couple years ago……something which I think Ken and other reviewers would readily know and appreciate the significance of in their past experience with reviewing many DVDs and/or Blu-rays. So, no, I don’t think Raph and Ken are ‘playing at a higher level’ than others, as noted above, who are all good and bring something slightly different to the table.

Short of finding a part-time Blu-ray reviewer that handles film on a daily basis (RAH) or knows the inherent deficiencies of certain vendors software and how they translate into the appearance of your Blu-ray imagery (Torsten Kaiser) or somebody who works day in and day out with something like a Thomson VDC in the SMPTE Rec 709 color space, you want to give accolades to some ‘alpha dog’ Blu-ray reviewer? You find me the guy who gives the FIRST real-time Blu-ray review of a Blu-ray movie before any other real-time reviews or *screenshot* comparisons are posted on the web, and he consistently gets it ‘right’ the vast majority of the time…there is your alpha dog.

Your the man.

IMO, Troll Smith opps Todd Smith can go back to the AVS Forum. I hate that place and will never go there. To many good people on these forums.

I really like this place alot of good people that will help you anytime.