News: displays and their technologies

[Robert Zohn]

Here's ^ the webpage for LG's C2

@PRO-630HD, On Monday April 11th we'll list the 83" G2 price and when the first allocation will be available.

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Helio Display Materials: First Oxbridge Spin-Out Raises $4.75m to Improve Screens

https://www.displaydaily.com/article...mprove-screens

Perovskites are photoluminescent and can convert light directly into the desired colour which is hugely more efficient. They also emit a very narrow spectrum which maximises colour gamut, enabling the display to reproduce many more of the colours that we perceive in the real world.

Cool. I look foward to this being one of my future TV's in about 8-10 years.

I think if QD-OLED from Sony does get price competitive fast it'll be a lock for my next one, though. Seems to be tracking like all Sony sets do. That little premium bump vs other brands, but no more than currently. And Caleb talking about colour volume specs above 1000 nits is promising. Another notch for this over MiniLED.

My timeline may even be able to hit 2024's lineup. If I sell the B8 which is still used for $1.5K AUD today. So in 2 years knock a couple hundred off. Making my QD OLED purchase only 1700$ left to save until then. With 1000$ so far saved.

Below I said 1200nit white point but really only said that specifically because they don't do measurements of colour nits in reviews... And maybe they should going forward. It's going to be where the incremental measured (and perceived) improvements come, is colour volume and BT.2020 coverage. And fades to white are very rare.

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

...I can see my next set being a 2025 QD OLED from Sony that peaks at 1000+ (hopefully 1200) nits calibrated white point with a heatsink. If its sale figure is at a pricepoint of, say, 3000AUD for a 55".

Right now the WRGB lineups of Sony stick to around 3000-3500 sale prices for the step down A80J in my market. But, again, if it was such a huge increase of BT2020 coverage (even above the 90% the 2022 flagship model is), and totally matured technology overall by then?

I would probably bite.

But I'm preparing myself to be in camp MiniLED for a 65" of one of the chinese brands hitting 2500+ nits and least blooming possible with increasing zones. If prices were to stay too premium for QD-OLED

[Geoff D]

I still think hitting a 1000-nit peak is the baseline of what all HDR sets should do as a minimum just because so much content is still being mastered on or within those boundaries. In other words if you can show 1000 nits more or less unmolested (full field white is what is is, it’s never gonna reach LCD levels on these but I don’t consider that to be essential) and leave the APL intact then the only tone mapping issues you have to worry about are for Light Cannon™️ grades which still aren’t all that common.

But yes, the bit about colour volume was most intriguing for the A95K as well as being able to hit one of the biggest percentages of BT.2020 I’ve seen recorded for any TV. That’s some serious shit. Not all content will actually hit all those colours of coursh, and such specs only fuel J6P’s constant need for stuff that “pops” (ugh) in order to justify having that TV in the first place (a.k.a. OLED black levels syndrome), but it’s “nice to have it and not need it…” etc etc.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I am a stickler for uniformity; just because my eye catches uniformity issues all too well in content unless it's something super super minor. And I hate when a display/projector throws sh*t into the image which is not part of the source. I've had to return two JVC RS2100s because of bad grey and black uniformity (among other things). I've seen some of the low APL screenshot images of OLEDs and my God, they look awful. Not sure I can tolerate an OLED or not unless this has improved. I rather take a lesser performing display with very good uniformity vs one with worse uniformity but superior performance.

Not sure where you saw it but I don't want to get into a TV Vs. PJ debate.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Not sure where you saw it but I don't want to get into a TV Vs. PJ debate.

Not sure what I posted had anything to do with a tv vs projector debate. Bottom line, quality control seems to need improvement across the board when it comes to some of these things. The near black OLED uniformity images I see posted at AVS every day creep me out. I know for almost a fact I would see these issues in dark room view with low APL content. I'm sure there are some good ones, but it comes down to playing panel lottery which is never fun.

Something like this which I see a lot is absolutely unacceptable to me. Although I am sure some (many?) wouldn't notice it or care.

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[Fendergopher]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Not sure what I posted had anything to do with a tv vs projector debate. Bottom line, quality control seems to need improvement across the board when it comes to some of these things. The near black OLED uniformity images I see posted at AVS every day creep me out. I know for almost a fact I would see these issues in dark room view with low APL content. I'm sure there are some good ones, but it comes down to playing panel lottery which is never fun.

Something like this which I see a lot is absolutely unacceptable to me. Although I am sure some (many?) wouldn't notice it or care.

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Man, those photos make my TV look like a panel-lottery winner in comparison, jeez.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Fendergopher

Man, those photos make my TV look like a panel-lottery winner in comparison, jeez.

What's worse is the 'black ants' effect in the top pic, people have been talking about that for years on their OLEDs and I've never seen it until now. Yikes.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Not sure what I posted had anything to do with a tv vs projector debate. Bottom line, quality control seems to need improvement across the board when it comes to some of these things. The near black OLED uniformity images I see posted at AVS every day creep me out. I know for almost a fact I would see these issues in dark room view with low APL content. I'm sure there are some good ones, but it comes down to playing panel lottery which is never fun.

Something like this which I see a lot is absolutely unacceptable to me. Although I am sure some (many?) wouldn't notice it or care.

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I am not sure what TV you have but if you can let me know the movie name and timecode I can check on my OLED. I have never come across anything this bad on any of the OLEDs I have seen / owned.

I am on my 3rd 77A80J. It's slightly better when it comes to vertical banding over the last 2 ones.

My ZD9 has DSE and at times it can look as bad as vertical banding and blooming on difficult scenes.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by lgans316

I am not sure what TV you have but if you can let me know the movie name and timecode I can check on my OLED. I have never come across anything this bad on any of the OLEDs I have seen / owned.

I am on my 3rd 77A80J. It's slightly better when it comes to vertical banding over the last 2 ones.

My ZD9 has DSE and at times it can look as bad as vertical banding and blooming on difficult scenes.

Are you on your third unit because of uniformity?

I would have to check, but I have found The Decent (Australian BD) to be a great disc for testing various scenes and issues.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Are you on your third unit because of uniformity?

I would have to check, but I have found The Decent (Australian BD) to be a great disc for testing various scenes and issues.

I am on my 3rd unit due to vertical banding which was quite bothersome on the first 2 units. 3rd one initially looked similar to the 2nd one but now there is a bit of improvement. Think I will keep it as it's minor and more tolerable than the DSE on my ZD9.

I heard most A90J panels are super clean. With A80J, banding looks to be prevalent especially on 77.

I don't have Descent AUS BD but might have it on streaming. Do you have the timestamps?

[MechaGodzilla]

Digital Trends have a little write-up on the Sony X95K.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Digital Trends have a little write-up on the Sony X95K.

"Is there a better alternative?"

Yes, but it's been out of production for years now.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Digital Trends have a little write-up on the Sony X95K.

I would love a 3 way comparison X95K Vs ZD9 Vs Z9J

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Digital Trends have a little write-up on the Sony X95K.

Not surprised that the Z9J had betterer dimming with less zones, Sony are reserving the bestest algorithms for the 8K sets and that sucks donkey dick.

Still, that review has now got me veering towards the X95K and oh I don't fookin know any more what to get. This is a realllllllly silly reason for buying a TV but I hate the stand with the A95K and would prolly need a new stand to put it on, whereas if the X95K's legs can indeed be slotted into the middle that makes it more enticing. Aargh!

[Brian81]

In the age of larger TVs, given their fragile nature and size, I actually find myself looking at ultra short throw "Laser TVs" as the next route. When I see something like a three laser standard component sized box capable of Rec.2020 and bright enough to be usable in ambient light, I find that enticing. Unless we get something that can be rolled and placed into a poster tube sized carry bag. Sure, the quality is not there yet, but moving around big things is a drag.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Brian81

In the age of larger TVs, given their fragile nature and size, I actually find myself looking at ultra short throw "Laser TVs" as the next route. When I see something like a three laser standard component sized box capable of Rec.2020 and bright enough to be usable in ambient light, I find that enticing. Unless we get something that can be rolled and placed into a poster tube sized carry bag. Sure, the quality is not there yet, but moving around big things is a drag.

How often do you move your TV around once you've got it installed and set up?

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

How often do you move your TV around once you've got it installed and set up?

Not often. I have had to do it before, and it is a hassle. I figure when big TVs end up on Craigslist, it either has to do with an upgrade or a move. What if you have a nice set you are partial to due to feature set and you want to take it with you? Keep the large storage box indefinitely, just in case? Or pack it and hope it doesn't break? It would be much easier with a small box. Yet as I said, I don't think the tech is a suitable replacement/compromise yet.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Not surprised that the Z9J had betterer dimming with less zones, Sony are reserving the bestest algorithms for the 8K sets and that sucks donkey dick.

Still, that review has now got me veering towards the X95K and oh I don't fookin know any more what to get. This is a realllllllly silly reason for buying a TV but I hate the stand with the A95K and would prolly need a new stand to put it on, whereas if the X95K's legs can indeed be slotted into the middle that makes it more enticing. Aargh!

Where did he say the Z9J has better local dimming? Maybe I'm blind, I went back and looked and couldn't find any mention of that...

I was going to ask how the A95K's stand can bother you when you don't even see the thing, but then I remembered you've mentioned before that you have a narrow TV unit, and the A95K's stand is the same width as the TV itself. And yes indeedly, the X95K has a narrow stand position on all three size models this year (IIRC last year's X95J didn't on the 65", something that annoyed many).

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Where did he say the Z9J has better local dimming? Maybe I'm blind, I went back and looked and couldn't find any mention of that...

I was going to ask how the A95K's stand can bother you when you don't even see the thing, but then I remembered you've mentioned before that you have a narrow TV unit, and the A95K's stand is the same width as the TV itself. And yes indeedly, the X95K has a narrow stand position on all three size models this year (IIRC last year's X95J didn't on the 65", something that annoyed many).

Not “better than the x95K” for dimming but better than the top end 4K LCD for that year, so it follows that the Z9K will do the same again to the X95K is my fear here.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Not surprised that the Z9J had betterer dimming with less zones, Sony are reserving the bestest algorithms for the 8K sets and that sucks donkey dick.

Still, that review has now got me veering towards the X95K and oh I don't fookin know any more what to get. This is a realllllllly silly reason for buying a TV but I hate the stand with the A95K and would prolly need a new stand to put it on, whereas if the X95K's legs can indeed be slotted into the middle that makes it more enticing. Aargh!

Seems to me you really are expecting to replace your current set this year. Has the band gotten any worse?