News: displays and their technologies

[teddyballgame]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Hmmm. Getting seriously twitchy now the 75Z9J is down to £3600. If only there were more proper reviews and more than three fookin people who actually own one! Trawling through the AVS/AVF threads is utterly useless.

You might try this one this one if you haven't seen it yet. It's a Polish site but they have some equipment and do take measurements on real HDR content at least.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

the AVS/AVF threads....

On that ^ note, heads-up to Kris Deering - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...g#post15615457 , unless you and your Dad happen to be busy packing to head on down to this - https://stevemcqueencarshow.com/, as a follow-up to the discussion from fall of 2019 -

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Guidance for operational practices in HDR television production as per -
https://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/op...2019-PDF-E.pdf

see p.3, Table 1 – specifically 203 nits (both PQ and HLG)

seems broadcasters are becoming inclined to follow this

Specifically demoing how using 203 nits/2.4 gamma rather than the industry standard of 100 nits is becoming more acceptable, the whys and wherefores, see the Youtube as posted this evening -

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/is-...#post-61716951

[Geoff D]

That’s more for modern SDR downconverted from HDR though, no? Whenever I’m comparing a UHD to its legacy SDR equivalent I’m not bumping the latter to 200 nits, no way.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That’s more for modern SDR downconverted from HDR though, no?...

true

[Penton-Man]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffSd68jXN3c#t=26m51s
^ later dovetailing into talking about 6P - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post18973754
and other interesting things.

P.S.
Here I thought the yacht mentioned in the presentation belonged to Waboman.

[Waboman]

Sipping an iced coffee, soaking up some vitamin D and wondering if GD has taken delivery of his 85” 8K tv yet?

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Hmmm. Getting seriously twitchy now the 75Z9J is down to £3600. If only there were more proper reviews and more than three fookin people who actually own one! Trawling through the AVS/AVF threads is utterly useless.

The only useful review:

https://hdtvpolska.com/test-recenzja...z9j-8k-opinie/

Contrast still shallow than ZD9 but overall rated as a better TV.

You will hear conflicting opinions but if you buy it and rate it better than the ZD9, I would happily pull the trigger but my 77A80J will still remain my house as I find it better than the ZD9 in most areas.

In AVS, most owners are not movie watchers and sadly most of them are Ill informed when it comes to picture quality.

When I had the 75ZH8 briefly, I was disappointed by the poor contrast and blacks side by side with the ZD9. It did excel in very bright high APL scenes. This X-Wide angle has definitely hurt native contrast.

My mind tells me wait for 77 or 83 QD-OLEDS but my heart tells me to try the Z9J.

[jess1581]

Can somebody clear this up for me. 4:4:4... Do I need this on for when I'm watching UHD? Or is it really just for PC use?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by lgans316

In AVS, most owners are not movie watchers and sadly most of them are Ill informed when it comes to picture quality.

Perhaps in the threads dedicated to promoting/mocking this or that TV model?, but I’ve viewed some threads/members postings on AVS over time which have been fine technical resources and related to picture quality. Of course, I tend to follow other individuals’, e.g. - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post20159352 and am sort of out of the loop as to what preoccupies other peoples’ radar.

Not insiders per se, but a good group of experienced users of devices other than solely front projectors - https://www.avsforum.com/threads/20-...-call.3245672/

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by lgans316

My mind tells me wait for 77 or 83 QD-OLEDS but my heart tells me to try the Z9J.

I thought you were waiting for the Z9K. Do you think it could actually be worse than the Z9J given the complaints with the X95K?

[Robert Zohn]

Value Electronics’ 18th annual TV Shootout® Evaluation event will be hosted at the Company building in NYC (across from Grand Central). The 2022 4K TV Shootout will be on Saturday, July 30th from 9 AM to 5 PM and the 8K TV Shootout will be on Sunday, July 31, from 10 AM to 5 PM!

The 2022 flagship 4K and 8K TVs will be competing, with a detailed comparison of all the attributes of picture quality. The winners will be crowned “King of 4K TV®” and “King of 8K TV®”

Here's an article on the 2022 TV Shootout in Dealerscope's online edition.

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Value Electronics’ 18th annual TV Shootout® Evaluation event will be hosted at the Company building in NYC (across from Grand Central). The 2022 4K TV Shootout will be on Saturday, July 30th from 9 AM to 5 PM and the 8K TV Shootout will be on Sunday, July 31, from 10 AM to 5 PM!

The 2022 flagship 4K and 8K TVs will be competing, with a detailed comparison of all the attributes of picture quality. The winners will be crowned “King of 4K TV®” and “King of 8K TV®”

Here's an article on the 2022 TV Shootout in Dealerscope's online edition.

I posted this in that other forum to let more folks know. Rock n roll.🤘

Could we see a repeat champion?🤴

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Perhaps in the threads dedicated to promoting/mocking this or that TV model?, but I’ve viewed some threads/members postings on AVS over time which have been fine technical resources and related to picture quality. Of course, I tend to follow other individuals’, e.g. - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post20159352 and am sort of out of the loop as to what preoccupies other peoples’ radar.

Not insiders per se, but a good group of experienced users of devices other than solely front projectors - https://www.avsforum.com/threads/20-...-call.3245672/

I was referring to most of the folks in the owners thread.

Most of them are obsessed with brightness. It is used as the weapon of choice for any discussion. I too like brightness but contrast is important. I was mesmerised by the peak brightness on the ZH8 but it lacked contrast, deep blacks and was blooming more than the ZD9.

Always tempted by the Z9J but refrained due to price and hearing feedback about lack of contrast and heavy blooming. Also rainbow reflections can be problem It was distracting on the ZH8 unless the room was dark.

The 2 things I like about QD-OLEDS:

1. Normalised colour volume higher than competing TV tech.
2. Clean panel without vertical banding.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

I thought you were waiting for the Z9K. Do you think it could actually be worse than the Z9J given the complaints with the X95K?

Yes. It is still on my radar but the release date in the UK is Sep 2022. Asking price is just £8500 (GBP) thanks to Sony tax but no way I am paying such prices.

[lgans316]

Geoff,

Don't sell the ZD9 unless you are completely satisfied with the Z9J. On its own it is easy to get carried away with a new toy. Thankfully I had the ZD9 to compare against the ZH8. Right off the bat the first thing I noticed is poor contrast and blacks on the ZH8 I really hope Z9J is equal or better than the ZD9 in these 2 areas.

Please do feedback as it will benefit many folks who are on the fence

[Geoff D]

Don’t worry, I won’t. And agreed re: the brightness nutters, it’s the thing to end all arguments and it’s just the same two people who own it who control the narrative at both AVF and AVS with no objective calibration or assessment, not even what viewing conditions they use. So frustrating.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Hmmm. Getting seriously twitchy now the 75Z9J is down to £3600. If only there were more proper reviews and more than three fookin people who actually own one! Trawling through the AVS/AVF threads is utterly useless.

If you're also planning to go bigger, I think you might be better off trying to hunt down a used 75ZD9? Btw, you're not interested in the 65A95K?

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by DJR662

If you're also planning to go bigger, I think you might be better off trying to hunt down a used 75ZD9? Btw, you're not interested in the 65A95K?

Very rare to find the 75ZD9 n the UK. I have come across only 2 on sale. One in AVForums and one on eBay. I was super close to buying the 75ZD9 but decided to opt out as the asking price was £1900. Settled for 65ZD9 at £900.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Value Electronics’ 18th annual TV Shootout® Evaluation event will be hosted at the Company building in NYC (across from Grand Central). The 2022 4K TV Shootout will be on Saturday, July 30th from 9 AM to 5 PM and the 8K TV Shootout will be on Sunday, July 31, from 10 AM to 5 PM!

The 2022 flagship 4K and 8K TVs will be competing, with a detailed comparison of all the attributes of picture quality. The winners will be crowned “King of 4K TV®” and “King of 8K TV®”

Here's an article on the 2022 TV Shootout in Dealerscope's online edition.

Originally Posted by Waboman

I posted this in that other forum to let more folks know. Rock n roll.🤘

Could we see a repeat champion?🤴

I predict A95K will be "King of 4K". "King of 8K" is slightly less predictable. Will it be the LG Z2, or can the Sony Z9K become one of those rare LCDs to win one of these shootouts?

Originally Posted by lgans316

I was referring to most of the folks in the owners thread.

Most of them are obsessed with brightness. It is used as the weapon of choice for any discussion. I too like brightness but contrast is important. I was mesmerised by the peak brightness on the ZH8 but it lacked contrast, deep blacks and was blooming more than the ZD9.

Always tempted by the Z9J but refrained due to price and hearing feedback about lack of contrast and heavy blooming. Also rainbow reflections can be problem It was distracting on the ZH8 unless the room was dark.

The 2 things I like about QD-OLEDS:

1. Normalised colour volume higher than competing TV tech.
2. Clean panel without vertical banding.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Don’t worry, I won’t. And agreed re: the brightness nutters, it’s the thing to end all arguments and it’s just the same two people who own it who control the narrative at both AVF and AVS with no objective calibration or assessment, not even what viewing conditions they use. So frustrating.

Funny how with (high-end/premium) LCD and OLED there's two opposing sides of "cultists", if you will. "Brightness above all else" for the former, and "perfect black above all else" for the latter. Light vs. dark, in a very literal sense.

With these 8K Z9 sets, the unfortunate part is of course that they're so crazy 'spensive (except for the end-of-life discounts, where they're more in line with their 4K counterparts), prohibitively so for the average "AV enthusiast". Which in turn means only a select few with deep pockets actually get their hands on one, and informed + informative opinions/feedback becomes rare.

Precisely for that reason, it'd be interesting to hear your take on the Z9J if you got one, Geoff.

[Geoff D]

Just had another measure up, a 75" would be too big for where it's got to go. So that's off.