News: displays and their technologies

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by anthonymoody

@Robert.Zohn thoughts on 98" Samsung vs 100" Sony PQ? And...have you watched either next to the 88" 8K OLED? Would love to hear how much the size makes up for any PQ gap.

We haven't see you in a while. I'd love for you to stop by our showroom to see these beautiful new TVs in person!

[Jay Mammoth]

LG G2 OLED TV Review: Should you buy it? - YouTube

[nick4Knight]

It's all well and good. As to 'nearly perfect', for current gen stuff. For this year... The G2 would be amazing as a 5+ year display if you never saw the QD-OLED's, I imagine.

But with the WOLED improvements coming within 2 years, and with QD-OLED around already to directly compare? It's an odd thing to see people gush so hard on that. Rtings percentage comparison for colour brightness signal is telling.

Peak white is one thing to nail and they've done it with these 1000 nit OLED's now. If we said that would be reality 3 years ago we'd have snapped it up sight unseen. But other variants of the tech and it's own future years calls that into pause for me.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

About 5 years away.

Well, that really sucks. I don't know if my C8 will last another 5 years. I don't want another stopgap tech like Mini-LED, QD-OLED, etc. I already know QD-OLED will soon be obsolete, it's only so much you can stretch OLED tech.

[nick4Knight]

I mean, not really... The OLED innovation stack is about to game change away from how it currently is. Even WOLED in 2-4 years will be nothing like currently. The underlying tech will be the same but the leveling up into LED competitive range for brightness and completely eliminating burn-in and organic decay worries at all (huge) will be happening during those 5 years.

I don't see how that's a stop gap to a technology we don't even know will be consumer realistic in terms of price yet. It may still end up being exclusively prosumer for studios and events; and in the home reserved for the millionaire class.

This is spoken from someone who was super into MicroLED and the promise of it in about 2018 or '19. Since then several years has seen nothing to signal it's worth hedging bets will be coming at all the way it was talked about, much the successor to OLED and sets like ZD9.

[Lee A Stewart]

C Seed announces a more affordable foldable microLED TV, still costs $150,000

Last year Austria-based C Seedreleased a high-end microLED TV, the $400,000 165" 4K C Seed M1, which has a unique foldable design, which makes use of seven large MicroLED panels that can be folded and inserted into the floor. The company now announced a smaller and more affordable microLED TV, the N1.

The N1 has a 103" 4K microLED panel, and it also is foldable, but it does not fold into the floor, but remains above the floor when not in use. The N1 costs $190,000 so this is still extraordinarily expensive. The N1 will also be offered in 137" and 165".

https://www.microled-info.com/c-seed...l-costs-150000

When I said 5 years away . . . it might be closer to 10

[unberechenbar]

So are modular panels the way of the future?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

So are modular panels the way of the future?

At this time I would have to say yes. That's all that is being produced.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

I mean, not really... The OLED innovation stack is about to game change away from how it currently is. Even WOLED in 2-4 years will be nothing like currently. The underlying tech will be the same but the leveling up into LED competitive range for brightness and completely eliminating burn-in and organic decay worries at all (huge) will be happening during those 5 years.

I don't see how that's a stop gap to a technology we don't even know will be consumer realistic in terms of price yet. It may still end up being exclusively prosumer for studios and events; and in the home reserved for the millionaire class.

This is spoken from someone who was super into MicroLED and the promise of it in about 2018 or '19. Since then several years has seen nothing to signal it's worth hedging bets will be coming at all the way it was talked about, much the successor to OLED and sets like ZD9.

It's a stopgap tech because every major display technology manufacturer is working to replace OLED and that tech is called Micro-LED.

The benefit of QD-OLED is better/more colors and brightness. However, there is a ceiling to how bright OLED, in any version, can get.

Micro-LED, without question, is the future. The sky's the limit with Micro-LED. Unfortunately, it appears to be a long wait. BTW, Micro-LED is way beyond the ZD9, which has already been made obsolete 3-4 years ago by OLED.

[nick4Knight]

Again, if you mean the price when you say the "sky is the limit" the manufacturers are doing a wonderful job delivering on that. We should have known this was going to be unlikely to be viable once they called it The Wall and it only installed into giant commercial settings for 500,000+ price ticket Lol

Seriously, all other technologies did not take this many years to start signaling they would be in a realistic price range within a handful of years. But we could do like you and ignore this. Or we could get real and pick a technology you call a stop gap from your spot in the line at vapor-land.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

It's a stopgap tech because every major display technology manufacturer is working to replace OLED and that tech is called Micro-LED.

The benefit of QD-OLED is better/more colors and brightness. However, there is a ceiling to how bright OLED, in any version, can get.

Micro-LED, without question, is the future. The sky's the limit with Micro-LED. Unfortunately, it appears to be a long wait. BTW, Micro-LED is way beyond the ZD9, which has already been made obsolete 3-4 years ago by OLED.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

Again, if you mean the price when you say the "sky is the limit" the manufacturers are doing a wonderful job delivering on that. We should have known this was going to be unlikely to be viable once they called it The Wall and it only installed into giant commercial settings for 500,000+ price ticket Lol

Seriously, all other technologies did not take this many years to start signaling they would be in a realistic price range within a handful of years. But we could do like you and ignore this. Or we could get real and pick a technology you call a stop gap from your spot in the line at vapor-land.

Well, I'm saying that Micro-led, for several reasons is poised to be a game changer, revolutionary. That type tech takes time. Micro-led is not some incremental improvement on an already existing tech. As I said before, all the major display manufacturers have some versions of Micro-led on the bench. Samsung is the bully on the block, as Samsung goes, so does display technology. They had OLED first and then just recently introduced QD-OLED after being resistant to OLED. I'm telling you, Micro-led is really where they want to take us, not QLED, Mini-led, or even QD-OLED. MICRO-LED is the future of display tech.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by DJR662

My bad, I was actually making reference to the Z9D. Sony confusing with their model numbers.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

Again, if you mean the price when you say the "sky is the limit" the manufacturers are doing a wonderful job delivering on that. We should have known this was going to be unlikely to be viable once they called it The Wall and it only installed into giant commercial settings for 500,000+ price ticket Lol

Seriously, all other technologies did not take this many years to start signaling they would be in a realistic price range within a handful of years. But we could do like you and ignore this. Or we could get real and pick a technology you call a stop gap from your spot in the line at vapor-land.

You can probably blame Unreal Engine, Samsung and Disney for the path MicroLED is taking. It's commerical success is grand. Content makers are saving literally billions of dollars a year not having to shoot on location. More and more of the special sound stages are being created every year. Wall Street is now involved.

[Robert Zohn]

Check out Caleb Denison of Digital Trends new YouTube video Sony A95K Master Series QD OLED TV review:

Sony A95K QD-OLED | Best TV of 2022? - YouTube

[Robert Zohn]

I'm such a baby when it comes to new audio and video products that I just had to send our company van to pick up Sony's first allocation of 85" Z9K 8K MiniLED and 65" A95K QD OLED Master Series TVs.

So we'll have our van filled with as many 85Z9K and 65A95K TVs as they can fit and they will be in our showroom tomorrow, Thursday, July 21.

Our large shipment will arrive by Monday, July 25th.

[lgans316]

ZD9 => Z9K owners continue to be impressed with the Z9K but the thread is getting too defensive lol.

I am keeping a tab on the Z9K and trying my best to keep my kidneys in healthy state.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by lgans316

ZD9 => Z9K owners continue to be impressed with the Z9K but the thread is getting too defensive lol.

I am keeping a tab on the Z9K and trying my best to keep my kidneys in healthy state.

Waiting on side by side comparisons between the 75ZD9 and 85Z9K with regards to blooming control. I'm not looking for more brightness, more "pop", a "sharper" picture, a smoother OS, more "smart" functionalities (my current tvs aren't even connected to the internet, as I only watch disc based movie content) or hdmi 2.1 capabilities. All I care about is an accurately looking picture and an improvement over the 75ZD9's BMD implementation.

[I DO BLU]

SONY A95K QD-OLED ! BEST TV OF THE YEAR? IS THIS MASTER SERIES ALREADY THE CLEAR WINNER? - YouTube

[nick4Knight]

Caleb calls the Sony A95K the best TV he's ever seen in person, in terms of outright picture quality; in that video. All the reasons not to purchase it are not things I care about. I'm most about accuracy chops, HDR chops and express PQ that the next display can confidently boast. If the next model from them isn't any more of a significant upgrade on HDR specs for QD-OLED? Then it looks like I've got my 2024 purchase sorted out, in 2023 clearance sales.