News: displays and their technologies

[Tim n Tempe]

I'm waiting a couple years to upgrade. Nothing in the TV realm has moved the needle much for years. In some ways we are going backward.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Why so salty and serious? Just vote with your wallet mate. Prices will eventually drop but a premium product will come with a premium price tag at launch. At least we can trust LG as a TV brand as opposed to Scam-sung.

I'm simply tired of corporate greed under the guise of inflation. It's not just happening with LG, it's home prices, cars, insurance, etc. and here comes LG trying to milk the consumers with a TV I predict will become obsolete by the fall.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Why so salty and serious? Just vote with your wallet mate. Prices will eventually drop but a premium product will come with a premium price tag at launch. At least we can trust LG as a TV brand as opposed to Scam-sung.

What's wrong with Samsung, they did bring QD-OLED which most have said is superior to LG's WOLED. Now LG is bringing you an enhanced WOLED with extra nits (nits madness) and AI.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

It’s best to ignore him, he’s an anti LG plant.

Not anti-LG. I still have my LG C8. In four more years, they might have a new C8 with AI. I'm mostly mad at them for being greedy and trying to compete with Sony when it comes to greed.

[Jay Mammoth]

LGG4 looks like a beast, can’t wait to see what LG cooks up for the G5 next year

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by Tim n Tempe

I'm waiting a couple years to upgrade. Nothing in the TV realm has moved the needle much for years. In some ways we are going backward.

Going backwards is a bit confusing... I think QD OLED is a giant step and as noted by someone else it's made manufacturers focus on getting traditional WOLED from 900-1000 nits peaks just 3 years ago to 2-3K now. And with really high color volumes like 85% of rec 2020

This would have made consumers cream about 5 years back lol Because it happened "incrementally" since 2022 some claim its little difference.

Having said that it's progressing so quick for me I'm not rushing into this year. I wanna see next years lineup and then decide between this years and those. It's looking like it won't be expressly about the $$$ tag.

[MechaGodzilla]

Dutch retailer Expert Nederland appear to have leaked Sony's 2024 TV lineup by accident.

Edit: [video removed]

The three premium models are called the Bravia 7, 8 and 9.

Bravia 7 is Mini LED and comes in 65", 75" and 85".

Bravia 8 is OLED and comes in 55", 65" and 77".

Bravia 9, this year's flagship, is Mini LED and comes in 75" and 85".

Bravia 7 uses Backlight Master Drive. Bravia 9 uses the all-new, much-hyped LED driver design that allows for many more local dimming zones.

My personal thoughts... I'm a little disappointed they've seemingly abandoned 55" altogether for their higher-end LCDs. And Bravia 9 not coming in 65" is unfortunate as well. However, this is a Dutch retailer, they will obviously only talk about the models relevant to their market. It's not impossible other screen sizes will appear in other countries. We'll know for sure next month.

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Dutch retailer Expert Nederland appear to have leaked Sony's 2024 TV lineup by accident.

Edit: [video removed]

The three premium models are called the Bravia 7, 8 and 9.

Bravia 7 is Mini LED and comes in 65", 75" and 85".

Bravia 8 is OLED and comes in 55", 65" and 77".

Bravia 9, this year's flagship, is Mini LED and comes in 75" and 85".

Bravia 7 uses Backlight Master Drive. Bravia 9 uses the all-new, much-hyped LED driver design that allows for many more local dimming zones.

My personal thoughts... I'm a little disappointed they've seemingly abandoned 55" altogether for their higher-end LCDs. And Bravia 9 not coming in 65" is unfortunate as well. However, this is a Dutch retailer, they will obviously only talk about the models relevant to their market. It's not impossible other screen sizes will appear in other countries. We'll know for sure next month.

Is it oled or qd oled?

[Robert Zohn]

My DNA ends April 17th and I'll post here all of the details.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by batman2000

Is it oled or qd oled?

The Bravia 8 appears to be WRGB OLED. Think of it as a successor to the A80L.

We'll know everything by mid-April, when Sony are expected to make their official announcement.

[Jay Mammoth]

LG Display Leads Growth of OLED TV Market
https://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news...l?idxno=213714

[DisplayCalNoob]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

My DNA ends April 17th and I'll post here all of the details.

Now you've got me worried, you need your DNA. I guess you've got display technology in your DNA.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Dutch retailer Expert Nederland appear to have leaked Sony's 2024 TV lineup by accident.

Edit: [video removed]

The three premium models are called the Bravia 7, 8 and 9.

Bravia 7 is Mini LED and comes in 65", 75" and 85".

Bravia 8 is OLED and comes in 55", 65" and 77".

Bravia 9, this year's flagship, is Mini LED and comes in 75" and 85".

Bravia 7 uses Backlight Master Drive. Bravia 9 uses the all-new, much-hyped LED driver design that allows for many more local dimming zones.

My personal thoughts... I'm a little disappointed they've seemingly abandoned 55" altogether for their higher-end LCDs. And Bravia 9 not coming in 65" is unfortunate as well. However, this is a Dutch retailer, they will obviously only talk about the models relevant to their market. It's not impossible other screen sizes will appear in other countries. We'll know for sure next month.

No 65" for the fancy pants LCD? That's unfortunate if true. Might have to look at an OLED of some description as/when the ZD9 goes kaput.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

No 65" for the fancy pants LCD? That's unfortunate if true. Might have to look at an OLED of some description as/when the ZD9 goes kaput.

65/75 gets lower native contrast panels.

85 is the only way to get high contrast panel from Sony.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by lgans316

65/75 gets lower native contrast panels.

85 is the only way to get high contrast panel from Sony.

Can't accommodate a 75 never mind an 85.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

No 65" for the fancy pants LCD? That's unfortunate if true. Might have to look at an OLED of some description as/when the ZD9 goes kaput.

Yeah, it's too bad if that holds true. And strange too, since the prototype they showed off against the X95L was 65"! However, there is stuff coming out of China which suggests the Bravia 9 (called XR90 over there, it seems?) will come in 65", and that the Bravia 7 aka XR70 will come in 55". For the Chinese market, anyway.

So then we can possibly draw the conclusion that it's a regional thing. Which we've certainly seen before, with the X95L last year for example being available in 65" and 75" in various European and Asian countries while North America only got the 85".

But then there's also the question of, what countries get these smaller models? Will ours be among them? No guarantees of that. And I had a similar thought as you, as I'm in the market for a 55" and will finally get a new TV this year. If Bravia 7/XR70/whatever doesn't come in 55" - in Sweden or the rest of Europe, anyway - then I may have to look at OLED. The manufacturers are pretty much forcing me into that direction with decisions like this.

We'll know for sure when the lineup is officially announced by mid-April.

Originally Posted by lgans316

65/75 gets lower native contrast panels.

85 is the only way to get high contrast panel from Sony.

This was less of an issue on the X95L than the X95K, and is going to matter even less on the Bravia 9/XR90/whatever it's called with the new even more improved backlight control. I don't think anyone who gets it in a smaller size than 85" is going to be unhappy with it, but we'll see!

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Yeah, it's too bad if that holds true. And strange too, since the prototype they showed off against the X95L was 65"! However, there is stuff coming out of China which suggests the Bravia 9 (called XR90 over there, it seems?) will come in 65", and that the Bravia 7 aka XR70 will come in 55". For the Chinese market, anyway.

So then we can possibly draw the conclusion that it's a regional thing. Which we've certainly seen before, with the X95L last year for example being available in 65" and 75" in various European and Asian countries while North America only got the 85".

But then there's also the question of, what countries get these smaller models? Will ours be among them? No guarantees of that. And I had a similar thought as you, as I'm in the market for a 55" and will finally get a new TV this year. If Bravia 7/XR70/whatever doesn't come in 55" - in Sweden or the rest of Europe, anyway - then I may have to look at OLED. The manufacturers are pretty much forcing me into that direction with decisions like this.

We'll know for sure when the lineup is officially announced by mid-April.



This was less of an issue on the X95L than the X95K, and is going to matter even less on the Bravia 9/XR90/whatever it's called with the new even more improved backlight control. I don't think anyone who gets it in a smaller size than 85" is going to be unhappy with it, but we'll see!

85X95L native contrast ratio is almost double that of the 65.

Also has more dimming zones

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by lgans316

85X95L native contrast ratio is almost double that of the 65.

Also has more dimming zones

I know, I'm just saying with good local dimming it matters less. 65" and 75" X95L did better than X95K in terms of blooming suppression thanks to an improved local dimming algorithm (plus a few more zones), and if Bravia 9/XR90 really has so many more zones it should be a non-issue. But again, we'll have to wait for the reviews and owner feedback to really tell how it performs.

And yes, the number of zones increases the larger the TV. There's more screen area to be covered, so it demands it. But the density of zones should hopefully be roughly equivalent if Sony have done things right, no?

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

I know, I'm just saying with good local dimming it matters less. 65" and 75" X95L did better than X95K in terms of blooming suppression thanks to an improved local dimming algorithm (plus a few more zones), and if Bravia 9/XR90 really has so many more zones it should be a non-issue. But again, we'll have to wait for the reviews and owner feedback to really tell how it performs.

And yes, the number of zones increases the larger the TV. There's more screen area to be covered, so it demands it. But the density of zones should hopefully be roughly equivalent if Sony have done things right, no?

Ah ok.

Within the L series, 85 is clearly the superior TV. I am sure the 75ZD9 was better than the 65ZD9 on certain aspects (better 3D, better panel uniformity, better motion processing etc.)

I am excited for 2 TVs this year:

1. Sony 85X95M
2. LG 83G4

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Can't accommodate a 75 never mind an 85.

Mate,

If you have a strong wall, I would suggest wall-mounting as it may not look that overbearing in your room. However, if you have a partner who dislikes large TVs then tough luck lol.

My 77 WOE-LED looked slightly intimidating for few days but after a week it started looking like a 65 and 65 looking like a 55. You just get used to it.