News: displays and their technologies

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's what's around when the Zed dies is what concerns me, as I don't want to have to 'make do'. I want a TV that's good enough at what it does to stay relevant for another seven years (and counting).

And when it comes to these top of the line LCDs I don't think your fears are completely unfounded. As I have mentioned before, I'm in the market for a 55". I'm not buying a TV until later in the year, so I have time to decide, but I'm finding it very challenging as higher-end LCDs are increasingly being abandoned at that size by the manufacturers. Sony stopped doing 55" models of their top LCDs years ago, now being relegated to whatever is their second best LCD TV of a given year.

Fine, I don't demand the very greatest. I think I can be very happy with the upper mid-range/lower high-end; it'd still be the best TV I've personally owned. And this year Sony have their first 55" mini LED in the Bravia 7. Nice, a 55" mini LED with hundreds of zones? Sign me up... oh wait, not for Europe.

And it's already looking like the same thing might be happening to the 65" size class. The fact that Sony are already comfortable with casually skipping entire regions for the 65" models of their flagship LCDs could be a worrying sign that high-end 65" LCDs are going the way of... well, high-end 55" LCDs. Or maybe, hopefully, it's just my paranoia.

But whatever happens with LCD, OLED's got our back. Even the very bestest OLEDs are available in 55" and 65" in every market, so that's nice. But then the problem there is I have my misgivings about OLED, and burn-in is only one of them. But eh, it is what it is. I'll see where I end up! And I wish you luck on your future TV hunts, as well, and that you get something you feel is a worthy replacement for your ZD9.

[Jay Mammoth]

I could never settle for an LCD after owning plasmas and now OLEDS.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yeah. As much as I want to stick with LCD (Sony LCD only, mind you) when mah Zed dies, if I can't get something as good - and don't give a shit about a new one being even brighter - then I might as well go for an OLED. Trouble is, as good as Sony's QD sets have been they're now dumping that tech (prolly having flashbacks to when they used to source Samsung panels for their LCDs, lol) for these Mini LED LCDs and so their only OLEDs are gonna be grotty old WRGB panels. Just...gah. Maybe I should stick an A95L on the credit card and be done with it.

I'm extremely happy with both the A95K and A95L. The only thing I miss about the ZD9 is the (75" model's) 3D compatibilty.

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

As for Sony and OLED, don't fall for the fear mongering, Geoff! Vincent Teoh himself has been guilty of throwing fuel on that fire with clickbaity videos, but the truth is QD-OLED isn't going anywhere. The A95L carries over as the flagship OLED for this year; it was released so late in 2023 that it simply isn't time for a refresh yet. It stays in production. Bravia 9 is the 2024 flagship, and then we will in all likelihood see a successor to A95L next year. So if you end up wanting a Sony QD-OLED, don't worry, you'll get your chance.

This.

I'm looking forward to seeing third gen Sony QD-OLEDs in a 83" size.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

I could never settle for an LCD after owning plasmas and now OLEDS.

Almost the same here but I do like my ZD9 and I will be getting the 85 Bravia 9 when the price is around £3800 with my employer discount added on top.

I normally don't go by hype but I am hyped up for the 85 Bravia 9. All I want is the TV to outperform the ZD9 by 10% for movies.

Would never go under 85 for a Sony LCD going by the past years as they skimp on zones and do low native contrast panels. 65X95L native contrast was half of the 85.

I did have 2 Z9H briefly and both of them were defective from day 1 and I am thankful as it was quite a bad TV (except for bright high APL scenes). Felt like dodging 2 bullets.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yeah. As much as I want to stick with LCD (Sony LCD only, mind you) when mah Zed dies, if I can't get something as good - and don't give a shit about a new one being even brighter - then I might as well go for an OLED. Trouble is, as good as Sony's QD sets have been they're now dumping that tech (prolly having flashbacks to when they used to source Samsung panels for their LCDs, lol) for these Mini LED LCDs and so their only OLEDs are gonna be grotty old WRGB panels. Just...gah. Maybe I should stick an A95L on the credit card and be done with it.

I might sound like a broken record but trust me, the room size to TV size is not a big deal especially up to 77. I was of the same mindset but it was fine after a week as I got used to it. You could try wall-mounting a 75 or 77 if you like it.

I think no TV will be perfect but f you are used to the ZD9 look, I am sure you will like how the Bravia 9 is going to look despite this X-wide cr*p.

I hope you will find some solution that can afford you to go bigger.

Personally I can't imagine go below 77 or 75 unless I have no other choice.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by lgans316

I might sound like a broken record but trust me, the room size to TV size is not a big deal especially up to 77. I was of the same mindset but it was fine after a week as I got used to it. You could try wall-mounting a 75 or 77 if you like it.

I think no TV will be perfect but f you are used to the ZD9 look, I am sure you will like how the Bravia 9 is going to look despite this X-wide cr*p.

I hope you will find some solution that can afford you to go bigger.

Personally I can't imagine go below 77 or 75 unless I have no other choice.

It's not about the size of the TV to the room, and I don't want to wall mount. I just don't have the physical space for anything biggerer.

[Robert Zohn]

I can assure everyone that when you see Sony's new BRAVIA 9 QD MiniLED TV with their new Backlight Master Drive and the new QD MiniLED panel you will LOVE the advancements Sony was able to design and build into this new premium TV.

I'm a big emissive display fan and I never thought I would speak this way, but this new QD MiniLED flagship 2024 TV from Sony has changed my mind.

[Grey2Grey]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I can assure everyone that when you see Sony's new BRAVIA 9 QD MiniLED TV with their new Backlight Master Drive and the new QD MiniLED panel you will LOVE the advancements Sony was able to design and build into this new premium TV.

I'm a big emissive display fan and I never thought I would speak this way, but this new QD MiniLED flagship 2024 TV from Sony has changed my mind.

I mainly curious about the BRAVIA 9 because AFAIK it's the first FALD LCD that is able to continuously modulate the brightness levels of each individual LED at a very granular level. This may actually help to reduce blooming.

[Robert Zohn]

Check out this YouTube video presentation on the premium 2024 TVs!

Reviewing LG G4 vs S95D QN900D A95L Processing, Gaming, Sports & More:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWnJXcfQik0

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Check out this YouTube video presentation on the premium 2024 TVs!

Reviewing LG G4 vs S95D QN900D A95L Processing, Gaming, Sports & More:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWnJXcfQik0

No thanks, I don’t believe that clown. And I avoid all videos with him in the thumbnail.

[Robert Zohn]

Sorry you fell that way. FOMO is very knowledgeable in the video industry and I see him in many of the Sony, Samsung and LG invite only events.

Brian of Brian's tech Therapy and me are included in this presentation at my A/V showroom filming this event live.

Hope to see you in the moderated chat along with the 500+ video enthusiasts that are watching this live event.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

I could never settle for an LCD after owning plasmas and now OLEDS.

I'd sure feel like I was settling if I ended up like those poor souls who exchange their OLEDs multiple times and still end up haunted by bad posterization/banding or pink tint, until it reaches a point where they just give up.

Screen uniformity issues are something I'm sensitive to, once I see them then it ruins everything for me, and to be honest it's the most off-putting part about getting a new TV. I can encounter different and similar forms of it whether I get an LCD or an OLED, so not happy about that. But at least I get the impression it's more of a genuine lottery with LCD; you can get a real bad panel or you can get a real clean one. With OLED, it's like some of this stuff is simply more feature than bug, and you have to accept it.

QD-OLED panels were initially hyped up as being much more uniform than their WRGB counterparts, nearly perfect even. But it seems later generations have been getting worse. It wouldn't at all surprise me if Samsung intentionally went out of their way to make a good first impression, and then significantly relaxed their quality control in following years.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

I'd sure feel like I was settling if I ended up like those poor souls who exchange their OLEDs multiple times and still end up haunted by bad posterization/banding or pink tint, until it reaches a point where they just give up.

Screen uniformity issues are something I'm sensitive to, once I see them then it ruins everything for me, and to be honest it's the most off-putting part about getting a new TV. I can encounter different and similar forms of it whether I get an LCD or an OLED, so not happy about that. But at least I get the impression it's more of a genuine lottery with LCD; you can get a real bad panel or you can get a real clean one. With OLED, it's like some of this stuff is simply more feature than bug, and you have to accept it.

QD-OLED panels were initially hyped up as being much more uniform than their WRGB counterparts, nearly perfect even. But it seems later generations have been getting worse. It wouldn't at all surprise me if Samsung intentionally went out of their way to make a good first impression, and then significantly relaxed their quality control in following years.

Man vertical banding still gives me nightmares.

Had to go through 2 LG65C8 replacements and 3 77A80J replacements due to vertical banding. Thankfully the store I bought from were understanding and cooperative otherwise would have been an absolute nightmare.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Man vertical banding still gives me nightmares.

Had to go through 2 LG65C8 replacements and 3 77A80J replacements due to vertical banding. Thankfully the store I bought from were understanding and cooperative otherwise would have been an absolute nightmare.

Glad it worked out for you in the end. And that's exactly what scares me about getting an OLED!

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

I'd sure feel like I was settling if I ended up like those poor souls who exchange their OLEDs multiple times and still end up haunted by bad posterization/banding or pink tint, until it reaches a point where they just give up.

Screen uniformity issues are something I'm sensitive to, once I see them then it ruins everything for me, and to be honest it's the most off-putting part about getting a new TV. I can encounter different and similar forms of it whether I get an LCD or an OLED, so not happy about that. But at least I get the impression it's more of a genuine lottery with LCD; you can get a real bad panel or you can get a real clean one. With OLED, it's like some of this stuff is simply more feature than bug, and you have to accept it.

QD-OLED panels were initially hyped up as being much more uniform than their WRGB counterparts, nearly perfect even. But it seems later generations have been getting worse. It wouldn't at all surprise me if Samsung intentionally went out of their way to make a good first impression, and then significantly relaxed their quality control in following years.

Oled has been amazing to me, better than milky blacks, blooming, light bleed, poorer contrast. My C2 from 2016 which is my bedroom TV is still amazing.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

Oled has been amazing to me, better than milky blacks, blooming, light bleed, poorer contrast. My C2 from 2016 which is my bedroom TV is still amazing.

How has the screen uniformity been on your OLED(s)? Any problems with banding and such?

[kristoffer]

This early hands-on by Flatpanelshd doesn’t inspire me with hope regarding Sony's new LCDs vs OLED

"First look at Sony Bravia 9
The increased number of dimming zones represents a significant leap over last year's X95L, which is consistent with what we observed in terms of zone control during our demos. We were not permitted to photograph sessions with real content, but we saw significantly reduced blooming compared to X95L. Still, Bravia 9 cannot claim to be free of blooming around bright objects, especially red ones for some reason. It makes perfect sense given that there are still only a few thousand dimming zones employed to illuminate several million pixels."

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1713369602

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

This early hands-on by Flatpanelshd doesn’t inspire me with hope regarding Sony's new LCDs vs OLED

"First look at Sony Bravia 9
The increased number of dimming zones represents a significant leap over last year's X95L, which is consistent with what we observed in terms of zone control during our demos. We were not permitted to photograph sessions with real content, but we saw significantly reduced blooming compared to X95L. Still, Bravia 9 cannot claim to be free of blooming around bright objects, especially red ones for some reason. It makes perfect sense given that there are still only a few thousand dimming zones employed to illuminate several million pixels."

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1713369602

Pro-OLED website for years. So nothing new about the negativity from them. They are saying the same thing over and over.

[Robert Zohn]

I spent a lot of time with Sony's BRAVIA 9 and Sony's engineers at several private invites that I was included in.

The peak luminance is very nicely improved as is the very deep rich blacks and shadow and peak luminance detail. Thanks to the big increase in the amount of local dimming zones along with Sony's new Backlight Master Drive that now not only controls every very tiny MiniLEDs, but only for the BRAVIA 9 the Backlight Master Drive controls the luminance level of each MiniLED.

Blooming is a nonissue on the BRAVIA 9 and now can only very moderately seen in a very dark room and when viewing off-axis.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

How has the screen uniformity been on your OLED(s)? Any problems with banding and such?

If there is it’s not noticeable to me, but then again I don’t ever use uniformity screens to look for problems.