News: displays and their technologies

[Uncle Bud]

Originally Posted by batman2000

So which reviewer tells the facts about new TVs?

Non-techie here. The best TV reviewer I've seen on YouTube is Classy Tech Calibrations, but he doesn't post very often. Others I like include (in no particular order): Vincent Teoh, Rtings, Tech With KG, AVS Forum, and Caleb Denison.

Every other TV "reviewer" I've watched is either a complete ass clown, or their so-called reviews are more like long winded advertisements that don't give prospective buyers useful information. When I'm considering a TV, I don't want to hear a thirty minute diatribe about its "flexibility of image." I want to know how well it tracks gamma, the quality of its upscaling, how it handles reflections, etc. Walking into a store, pointing a GoPro (or whatever) at a TV and saying "Wow, that looks awesome!" just doesn't cut it.

[soaptrail]

What is flexibility of image?

[Uncle Bud]

^ The buzz phrase of a certain YouTuber. Shorthand for "it's easy to adjust the image on this TV to match your individual preferences."

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by batman2000

So which reviewer tells the facts about new TVs?

Many of them tell facts, but some fail to tell the truth. They are tethered to the manufacturers so they can't tell you the truth.

[I DO BLU]

Sony BRAVIA 8 II OLED Review—Bright Star or Overpriced Almost-Flagship? - YouTube

[I DO BLU]

Why Sony Bravia 8 II getting so much hate? Let's talk! - YouTube

[soaptrail]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

Why Sony Bravia 8 II getting so much hate? Let's talk! - YouTube

I was willing to watch this but it does not take 2.5 hours to explain why it is hated so much.

[Robert Zohn]

Updated LG G5 vs Bravia 8 II vs BVM 3110 reference monitor! - YouTube

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by soaptrail

I was willing to watch this but it does not take 2.5 hours to explain why it is hated so much.

I listened to that live. It was sad, FOMO, and Brian looked bad; it was pathetic how they were shilling so hard for Sony. Many of the participants in the live were primarily criticizing the Bravia 8II because of the price.

Brian came off as somewhat elitist, even comparing shopping for a Sony TV to some shopping for a Mercedes or BMW Those folks don't complain about the price, which by the way is a really bad analogy because everyone knows that BMW and Mercedes are overpriced and lose value significantly. Brian was going to bat for a greedy multinational corporation like Sony over the consumer, saying that consumer should be happy that we're getting the price were getting for Sony TVs and others.

FOMO kept attacking RTings less than a less-than-stellar review of the Sony Bravia 8II.

It was sad, those guys are rapidly losing credibility, they seem willing to die on that Sony hill.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

Sony BRAVIA 8 II OLED Review—Bright Star or Overpriced Almost-Flagship? - YouTube

He hit out of the park in this review. He doesn't even recommend it over other TVs. Sony made this TV for the VE Shootout, where Sony has home-field advantage, hoping that the Bravia 8II will be crowned King, and that will drive sales.

[Robert Zohn]

I don't know how to best reply to your post^^ Except to say:

It's not reasonable to think that Sony made their New 2025 Flagship BRAVIA 8 II QD OLED TV for my TV Shootout® Evaluation event!!

Then your say "where Sony has a home-field advantage" here's are my reply to your above post:

A.) An insult to me personally and professionally.

B.) I created the TV Shootout 21 years ago, but I have a very long term team of video experts that run the event with me and the voting is totally independent and honestly announced at the end of every TV Shootout with all of the professional video expert judges, our digital video display presenters.

Our TV Shootout results always match all of the professional TV reviewers results.

[I DO BLU]

It’s funny when kuros were the most expensive plasma I don’t remember people crying that they were overpriced but that the were the best tv you could buy. Now since Sony has the best tv money can buy and it cost more all the crying is about price and Sony being greedy. Pioneer nor even Panasonic when the made plasmas were not treated this way, the hate foe Sony is asinine you don’t like it don’t buy it but to sit here and say since it won the shootout from real experts in the field is set up by Sony is appalling and asinine. Just because your tv doesn’t win you want to say it’s fixed you sound like a 2 year old if Sony, loses so be it I don’t care i buy what tv I think is best period. If it cost more so be it. I also don’t see people complaining when pioneer blu ray player was the most expensive when it came out and didn’t have threads upon threads of people saying pioneer was greedy.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

It’s funny when kuros were the most expensive plasma I don’t remember people crying that they were overpriced but that the were the best tv you could buy. Now since Sony has the best tv money can buy and it cost more all the crying is about price and Sony being greedy. Pioneer nor even Panasonic when the made plasmas were not treated this way, the hate foe Sony is asinine you don’t like it don’t buy it but to sit here and say since it won the shootout from real experts in the field is set up by Sony is appalling and asinine. Just because your tv doesn’t win you want to say it’s fixed you sound like a 2 year old if Sony, loses so be it I don’t care i buy what tv I think is best period. If it cost more so be it. I also don’t see people complaining when pioneer blu ray player was the most expensive when it came out and didn’t have threads upon threads of people saying pioneer was greedy.

People did complain about the price of Pioneer Kuro. With that being said, we knew Pioneer would exit the Plasma market, the market they targeted was just unsustainable. The prices they were asking were too high; when Samsung and Panasonic were making great plasma, they were no longer competitive. I suspect that Sony OLEDs will go the way of the Pioneer Kuro as they pivot to RGB Mini-LED.

Some people are saying, comparing the Sony Bravia 8II to the Samsung S90F, it's not much better, slightly better at best, yet it's $1,500 more than a 65-inch Samsung.

Also, keep in mind how tone deaf Sony must be; we're in what looks to be the onset of a global recession with high inflation, people in record credit card debt, car repossessions are at an all-time high, and the time is not now to overprice a TV.

I need to reiterate, we had two shootouts with different results. Vincent's shootout had the LG G4 winning the best TV in 2024, whereas VE had the 2023 A95L winning the 2024 shootout. Both claim to have experts and to be scientific comparisons, yet we have different results. How does that happen?

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I don't know how to best reply to your post^^ Except to say:

It's not reasonable to think that Sony made their New 2025 Flagship BRAVIA 8 II QD OLED TV for my TV Shootout® Evaluation event!!

Then your say "where Sony has a home-field advantage" here's are my reply to your above post:

A.) An insult to me personally and professionally.

B.) I created the TV Shootout 21 years ago, but I have a very long term team of video experts that run the event with me and the voting is totally independent and honestly announced at the end of every TV Shootout with all of the professional video expert judges, our digital video display presenters.

Our TV Shootout results always match all of the professional TV reviewers results.

I'm not attacking you personally; you should know my attacks are directed at Sony themselves. I think that's clear. I'm not accusing VE of rigging the shootouts. However, Sony has taken the crown for several years now, and in turn, Sony has used the results as a part of their marketing. They must feel at home and confident there. Why wouldn't they?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Also, keep in mind how tone deaf Sony must be; we're in what looks to be the onset of a global recession with high inflation, people in record credit card debt, car repossessions are at an all-time high, and the time is not now to overprice a TV.

I need to reiterate, we had two shootouts with different results. Vincent's shootout had the LG G4 winning the best TV in 2024, whereas VE had the 2023 A95L winning the 2024 shootout. Both claim to have experts and to be scientific comparisons, yet we have different results. How does that happen?

No one in financial distress is likely to be shopping for TVs that cost this much in the first place regardless of tech type or screen size. Sony offers plenty of more affordable models of TVs as do other manufacturers.

TV comparisons result in an number of objective findings, but the importance placed on a given finding is often subjective depending on the priorities of the person making the evaluation. Someone might value color accuracy the most; someone else might place the most importance on screen brightness or shadow detail or whatever else might be most important to them. Objective findings aplenty, but their importance can vary with the individual.

[teddyballgame]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

I need to reiterate, we had two shootouts with different results. Vincent's shootout had the LG G4 winning the best TV in 2024, whereas VE had the 2023 A95L winning the 2024 shootout. Both claim to have experts and to be scientific comparisons, yet we have different results. How does that happen?

There was also a German event where the S95D finished in first.

It's due to different people being involved. Different calibrators, panel of judges, unit variation, and scoring system. A consensus would be nice but it's not always possible. Much like Rtings website I don't pay much attention to their scoring or subjective assessments it's more about reading between the lines and synthesizing it for yourself. For the shootouts I like to dig into specific categories and see where judges generally agreed. For example if the S95D scored very well with shadow detail in every event then I believe it has good shadow detail.

[soaptrail]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

I'm attacking you personally; you should know my attacks are directed at Sony themselves. I think that's clear. I'm not accusing VE of rigging the shootouts. However, Sony has taken the crown for several years now, and in turn, Sony has used the results as a part of their marketing. They must feel at home and confident there. Why wouldn't they?

You make it sound like Sony can rest on there laurels and be complacent which is not the case, Sony could be beaten any time by their competitors and they know that. Now we could argue whether Sony is actively trying to win the competition or just making TV's and if they win that is great but I whole heartily disagree with your assumption.

Further Sony's flagship of last year received a score that was lower than all three OLED's in the shootout.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I know that's not what you meant to say; you might want to correct it, though.

Fixed. Thanks.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by soaptrail

You make it sound like Sony can rest on there laurels and be complacent which is not the case, Sony could be beaten any time by their competitors and they know that. Now we could argue whether Sony is actively trying to win the competition or just making TV's and if they win that is great but I whole heartily disagree with your assumption.

Further Sony's flagship of last year received a score that was lower than all three OLED's in the shootout.

I'm not suggesting that Sony can rest on their laurels, but it appears that what they're are doing with the Bravia II.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Vilya

No one in financial distress is likely to be shopping for TVs that cost this much in the first place regardless of tech type or screen size. Sony offers plenty of more affordable models of TVs as do other manufacturers.

TV comparisons result in an number of objective findings, but the importance placed on a given finding is often subjective depending on the priorities of the person making the evaluation. Someone might value color accuracy the most; someone else might place the most importance on screen brightness or shadow detail or whatever else might be most important to them. Objective findings aplenty, but their importance can vary with the individual.

Sony's flagship models in comparison to other flagship models are greatly overpriced but not greatly better.