Early Blu-rays that may have playback issues (Criterion, Well Go USA, etc.)

[The Debts]

Originally Posted by wormraper

Dredd wasn't a failure rate one. it was just a bad pressing that got sent out. if you played it once and it was fine, you're good. mostly only best buy got that batch.

Ah. Thanks for letting me know.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by GxyExpress999

Bigger Than Life: a slight discoloration but plays fine for now. (The mastering code was found at a different position.)

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Great photos!

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by GxyExpress999

Bigger Than Life: a slight discoloration but plays fine for now. (The mastering code was found at a different position.)

[Show spoiler]

yeah, that's how mine is. it's the only one that has any bronzing but stagecoach has the special features glitch and Bigger than life SEEMS to play fine, but it's only light bronzing. I'll be sending that and M and Stagecoach in when they approve it.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Nage

damn thats bad to hear since i have a lot of their blus, hope we get a response soon

I do too. an ENORMOUS amount of their blus. I just checked and even "The Suspect" which just came out a few weeks ago has an IFPI 606 code on them. at this point I'm pretty much considering every single Well Go USA title that has these dead in the water and am OFFICIALLY no longer purchasing movies from them. I just can't take the risk.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by wormraper

I do too. an ENORMOUS amount of their blus. I just checked and even "The Suspect" which just came out a few weeks ago has an IFPI 606 code on them. at this point I'm pretty much considering every single Well Go USA title that has these dead in the water and am OFFICIALLY no longer purchasing movies from them. I just can't take the risk.

[Majin Blu]

Last one I have to check is The Seventh Seal. So far, everything's okay.

I've done so much disc checking over the past two weeks, it's ridiculous hahaha (between a few Criterions, couple of Well Go USA, some Lionsgate, and the Halloween box set).

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

LOL... this seriously makes me wanna cry. I love their movies,and I have over 50 + of them right now... ones that except for a few with different disc codes I have to accept are just dead men walking .. some I was considering buyng when I have the chance I won't be able to either... I can't believe how in 24 hours one of my favorite companies went from being a no brainer to being not worth the risk... I mean, it all depends on what they do to our emails of course, but at this moment in time I wouldn't touch a Well Go USA title with a 10 foot pole. not with what we know of their stock.

[rdodolak]

Who is to say that all discs replicated by a company will be affected. Until we know more about the cause of the problem we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Was it a process issue during a specific timeframe that has since been resolved, was it defective or substandard materials that affected certain batches of releases, is it an equipment problem isolated to that replication line?

[Buscemi]

Stir of Echoes also has playback problems. The first copy (a used copy from gohastings.com) I bought was glitchy beyond belief but I was able to get a refund and later bought a new copy from Barnes and Noble that worked.

[Chiefy]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Who is to say that all discs replicated by a company will be affected. Until we know more about the cause of the problem we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Was it a process issue during a specific timeframe that has since been resolved, was it defective or substandard materials that affected certain batches of releases, is it an equipment problem isolated to that replication line?

Was their stock stored in their mother's basement, next to the furnace?

[GxyExpress999]

Originally Posted by wormraper

yeah, that's how mine is. it's the only one that has any bronzing but stagecoach has the special features glitch and Bigger than life SEEMS to play fine, but it's only light bronzing. I'll be sending that and M and Stagecoach in when they approve it.

I assume I'm not eligible for a replacement though since my disc does play.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Who is to say that all discs replicated by a company will be affected. Until we know more about the cause of the problem we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Was it a process issue during a specific timeframe that has since been resolved, was it defective or substandard materials that affected certain batches of releases, is it an equipment problem isolated to that replication line?

true, but when ALL of their original stock with that IFPI code is failing over a two year period it makes sense to NOT get anymore considering that pressing facility is STILL being used. this is the canary in the coal mine right now. If our 2012 discs don't start failing in a few years or they agree to replace all disc from those batches with different pressings from different facilities I'll reconsider, but right now there's too much risk to be blindly buying anymore

[SuperFlyHighGuy]

My Basic Instinct disc died too, threw it away last year. Maybe I should have held onto it if they were willing to replace it. I saw it at Target for $5 the other day but I'm hesitant to buy it again and have It did also.

[mallomar]

Just to really really clarify. The mould code can be found in the clear plastic ring on the picture side of the disk. A mould code of (IFPI) 10K6 or 10K7 is Sonopress. As I understand it, this code trumps the LB42 or LO21 etc. IFPI codes on the silver side. That is, if one finds a mould code of 10K6 or 10K7, that is a more definitive identifier of Sonopress manufacture than the other codes. Correct?

By the mould-code metric, I have a whopping 13 blu-rays manufactured at Sonopress during the period in question. Some have LB42 codes on the reverse, but others have no IFPI code on the reverse, only AO1/AO3.

My Sonopress pressings are Pierrot, Marienbad, Howard's End, Summer Hours, Walkabout, Ride with the Devil, Repulsion, Bigger than Life, Gomorrah, Gimme Shelter, Vive Sa Vie, Monsoon Wedding, and Lola Montes. No overt bronzing on any of them.

[Nage]

Decided to upload some pics of the bronzing

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by GxyExpress999

I assume I'm not eligible for a replacement though since my disc does play.

if it's browning, I'd return it. it WILL fail sooner or later

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by mallomar

Just to really really clarify. The mould code can be found in the clear plastic ring on the picture side of the disk. A mould code of (IFPI) 10K6 or 10K7 is Sonopress. As I understand it, this code trumps the LB42 or LO21 etc. IFPI codes on the silver side. That is, if one finds a mould code of 10K6 or 10K7, that is a more definitive identifier of Sonopress manufacture than the other codes. Correct?

By the mould-code metric, I have a whopping 13 blu-rays manufactured at Sonopress during the period in question. Some have LB42 codes on the reverse, but others have no IFPI code on the reverse, only AO1/AO3.

My Sonopress pressings are Pierrot, Marienbad, Howard's End, Summer Hours, Walkabout, Ride with the Devil, Repulsion, Bigger than Life, Gomorrah, Gimme Shelter, Vive Sa Vie, Monsoon Wedding, and Lola Montes. No overt bronzing on any of them.

Both codes are Sonopress codes which is now Arvato. The Master SID Code of LB42 or L021 identifies that Sonopress created the glass master. Master codes start with the letter "L" and identify the Laser Beam Recorder (LBR) that produced that master. The Mould SID Code identifies the plant where the discs were pressed/replicated. In this case the 10K6 or 10K7 identifies the Sonopress/Arvato Weaverville, PA plant.

Just because a disc has a specific Mould SID Code doesn't mean that all discs replicated at that plant over all the years is affected. It really comes down to what actually caused the specific defects with the bad discs.

[mallomar]

Okay, thanks. And I guess then my question stands. That is, the site where the glass master was manufactured is not relevant per se, whereas the site of pressing/replication is. Presumably, these sites were the same in many or most cases, but shouldn't we be focusing exclusively on the mould codes, since those indicate the process with the potential to produce faulty discs? Glass masters can also be faulty, of course, but in this case we are most likely dealing with a chemical process related to faulty sealing during the pressing process, correct? So in this case, the Master SID Code it sort-of irrelevant, except inasmuch as a Sonopress SID code is likely to be paired with a Sonopress mould code.

Sorry if I'm being dense and missing something obvious here. And I realize, of course, that a Sonopress mould code does not necessarily mean a disk will fail. I am only trying to determine the best code for identifying disks with the potential to fail, possibly, someday, somehow.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by mallomar

Okay, thanks. And I guess then my question stands. That is, the site where the glass master was manufactured is not relevant per se, whereas the site of pressing/replication is. Presumably, these sites were the same in many or most cases, but shouldn't we be focusing exclusively on the mould codes, since those indicate the process with the potential to produce faulty discs?

Sorry if I'm being dense and missing something obvious here. And I realize, of course, that a Sonopress mould code does not indicate a disk will fail. I am only trying to determine the best code for identifying disks with the potential to fail, someday, somehow.

Yes, the Mould code is more important.

[wormraper]

sheesh, between this and the Well Go USA bronzing I'm feeling a bit sick to the stomach (especially with them since I have 11 titles already bronzing and the another 40 that have the potential to) and rather disenchanted with the format right now. wondering how many more of my 2700 discs are hiding with bronzed discs