Early Blu-rays that may have playback issues (Criterion, Well Go USA, etc.) - Page 29 - Blu-ray Forum

jayembee · 10-02-2014, 03:34 AM

I was AFK for most of the day and evening. Anyway, here are the results of my disc checking with VSO Inspector:

Howards End (L021) - clean

[Show spoiler]

M (LB42) - clean

[Show spoiler]

Pierrot le fou (L021) - not clean, but apparently no fatal issues

[Show spoiler]

The Seventh Seal (L021) - clean

[Show spoiler]

Stagecoach (L021) - clean

[Show spoiler]

Yes, oddly enough, the volume label on Stagecoach actually does say "Bigger Than Life".

All that said, I'm not quite sure how reliable the VSO Inspector results are. Why? Well, there's this other disc (non-Criterion) I have that's unplayable: the Warner/New Line DigiBook edition of Se7en (which, unfortunately, I bought used, and never got around to trying to watch it until after the window where I could return it). It won't load at all in my Sony BDP, and PowerDVD on my laptop tells me that it can't play it because it's "corrupt". I didn't mention this before, because I have no way of knowing if it's the same issue that's affecting the Criterion titles.

Anyway, I decided to see what VSO Inspector had to say about it. I started the test a little while ago. It's already finished the sector scan, and the results were 100% good. I'm running the file test now, but I'm not seeing any errors yet. I'm not sure how the disc can be "corrupt" and unplayable and yet not produce any errors in VSO Inspector.

pedromvu · 10-02-2014, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brent L.

What in the world happened to the title of this thread?

"Criterion BDs That Might Have Playback Issues"

MIGHT?

There is absolutely, positively, without a question whatsoever that there is a problem and playback issues. They even blatantly admitted it to me on the phone earlier, not to mention the endless supply of proof and first hand accounts in this very thread. This is ridiculous.

The extent of it isn't known yet, but there most certainly are issues, period.

And yes, why are posts being deleted now as well?

Nothing has been said that isn't allowed or is even any sort of trolling or flaming.

I Agree, changing the title is misleading, and i don't see how it could be against the rule to respect the OP title, what's up?

Aragorn the Elfstone · 10-02-2014, 03:35 AM

"Might" is appropriate in the title, because not every BD of a respective title is having playback issues.

tama · 10-02-2014, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brent L.

What in the world happened to the title of this thread?

"Criterion BDs That Might Have Playback Issues"

MIGHT?

There is absolutely, positively, without a question whatsoever that there is a problem and playback issues. They even blatantly admitted it to me on the phone earlier, not to mention the endless supply of proof and first hand accounts in this very thread. This is ridiculous.

The extent of it isn't known yet, but there most certainly are issues, period.

And yes, why are posts being deleted now as well?

Nothing has been said that isn't allowed or is even any sort of trolling or flaming.

I've checked 8 titles I own mentioned in this thread and have no issues to speak of or brown discoloration. So yes "Might" is the appropriate language.

jscoggins · 10-02-2014, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayembee

Anyway, I decided to see what VSO Inspector had to say about it. I started the test a little while ago. It's already finished the sector scan, and the results were 100% good. I'm running the file test now, but I'm not seeing any errors yet. I'm not sure how the disc can be "corrupt" and unplayable and yet not produce any errors in VSO Inspector.

You see something new every day, I guess. Unplayable/corrupt but clean?

pedromvu · 10-02-2014, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tama

I've checked 8 titles I own mentioned in this thread and have no issues to speak of or brown discoloration. So yes "Might" is the appropriate language.

I think the original title was Criterion BDs that played and now don't, the First post mentions the titles and the chance of occurrence based on posts.

It's just a title, it doesn't mean that all the titles listed wont play.

But oh well, i guess there are some people that just skim trough the forum and might get a little crazy with such a title.

Brent L. · 10-02-2014, 03:43 AM

For each disc that I have that will not load in any players at all, none of them triggered any errors until the 50% mark. At that point they all just started popping with error after error and they never went beyond that 50% mark.

sacrablu · 10-02-2014, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinthetic

Just had a mail from Jon.

IF Criterion really cared they would tell CONSUMERS what plant they used, so we as consumers can research & see if any of our other (non-criterion) blu-rays were pressed there too.

pedromvu · 10-02-2014, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sacrablu

IF Criterion really cared they would tell CONSUMERS what plant they used, so we as consumers can research & see if any of our other (non-criterion) blu-rays were pressed there too.

According to SID codes it was Sonopress, but which plants specifically we may never know, also it appears that the same plant produced good discs too, so it was probably just a bad batch at specific time, you would need to look at all your blu rays produced in 2009 or 2010 and look for SID mastering code LB41-LB50 or L021-L030.

here is the info:

http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?tit...t_of_SID_codes

jayembee · 10-02-2014, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sacrablu

IF Criterion really cared they would tell CONSUMERS what plant they used, so we as consumers can research & see if any of our other (non-criterion) blu-rays were pressed there too.

Have you been paying attention? The SID codes that people have been listing (eg. L021, LB42, L323, and so forth) identify the replication plant. Someone already posted a link to a listing:

http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?tit...t_of_SID_codes

So, Criterion doesn't need to tell us what plant they used.

Brian81 · 10-02-2014, 03:59 AM

Yeah, I was gonna say, people here have narrowed it down to the problem source and also how to identify those discs which come from that source. Look at your d*mn discs, people!

jscoggins · 10-02-2014, 04:00 AM

I just wanted to say that I have met many new friends through this thread.

pedromvu · 10-02-2014, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian81

Yeah, I was gonna say, people here have narrowed it down to the problem source and also how to identify those discs which come from that source. Look at your d*mn discs, people!

Maybe this info should be added to the main post, many people have second pressing with L32X from those titles of 2009-2010 so looking for that they can quickly be sure their discs aren't problematic.

Because sometimes looking for browning can be a bit hard depending on the light.

Thebunk · 10-02-2014, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jscoggins

I just wanted to say that I have met many new friends through this thread.

Yup. I am actually surprised there have been not more people over the top against Criterion in this thread. If anything I thought it has been very constructive.

jscoggins · 10-02-2014, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pedromvu

Maybe this info should be added to the main post, many people have second pressing with L32X from those titles of 2009-2010 so looking for that they can quickly be sure their discs aren't problematic.

Because sometimes looking for browning can be a bit hard depending on the light.

That is a good idea. I will do that.

So, Sonopress?

pedromvu · 10-02-2014, 04:10 AM

Not sure if someone mentioned here but, how cool it would have been that this month's newsletter would have been a hint for an upgrade of this:

Criterion title

Have to give credit to ShellOilJunior from the Criterion forum

pedromvu · 10-02-2014, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jscoggins

That is a good idea. I will do that.

So, Sonopress?

Yeah, someone mentioned they changed their name on 2008 it now is Arvato Digital Services.

Aragorn the Elfstone · 10-02-2014, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pedromvu

many people have second pressing with L32X from those titles of 2009-2010 so looking for that they can quickly be sure their discs aren't problematic.

Because sometimes looking for browning can be a bit hard depending on the light.

Except that even some of us who do have a disc with the numbers that have been reported here aren't having any issues with playback or signs of browning.

So while I support adding something to the main post about the numbers, there's no need to make people automatically think their discs are defective.

jscoggins · 10-02-2014, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

Except that even some of us who do have a disc with the numbers that have been reported here aren't having any issues with playback or signs of browning.

So while I support adding something to the main post about the numbers, there's no need to make people automatically think their discs are defective.

I'm only reporting that most of the botched discs seem to come from Sonopress. However, as you said, some Sonopress discs are playable for now, which suggests that the botched discs may be limited to one or a few batches, not necessarily all of the batches from that factory.

Scottie · 10-02-2014, 04:31 AM

Howards End freezes from approximately 01:52:00 until 02:02:00.

I had to watch the section that I missed on Dailymotion. It is a shame as the film is quite good.

10-02-2014, 03:34 AM	#561
jayembee Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jul 2010 Location:A Drug-Infested Den 4K collection:521 Blu-ray collection:4202	I was AFK for most of the day and evening. Anyway, here are the results of my disc checking with VSO Inspector: Howards End (L021) - clean [Show spoiler] M (LB42) - clean [Show spoiler] Pierrot le fou (L021) - not clean, but apparently no fatal issues [Show spoiler] The Seventh Seal (L021) - clean [Show spoiler] Stagecoach (L021) - clean [Show spoiler] Yes, oddly enough, the volume label on Stagecoach actually does say "Bigger Than Life". All that said, I'm not quite sure how reliable the VSO Inspector results are. Why? Well, there's this other disc (non-Criterion) I have that's unplayable: the Warner/New Line DigiBook edition of Se7en (which, unfortunately, I bought used, and never got around to trying to watch it until after the window where I could return it). It won't load at all in my Sony BDP, and PowerDVD on my laptop tells me that it can't play it because it's "corrupt". I didn't mention this before, because I have no way of knowing if it's the same issue that's affecting the Criterion titles. Anyway, I decided to see what VSO Inspector had to say about it. I started the test a little while ago. It's already finished the sector scan, and the results were 100% good. I'm running the file test now, but I'm not seeing any errors yet. I'm not sure how the disc can be "corrupt" and unplayable and yet not produce any errors in VSO Inspector.

10-02-2014, 03:35 AM	#563
Aragorn the Elfstone Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Sep 2008 Location:The Secondary World 4K collection:245 Blu-ray collection:773 DVD collection:152 Digital collection:115	"Might" is appropriate in the title, because not every BD of a respective title is having playback issues.

10-02-2014, 03:43 AM	#567
Brent L. Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Anderson, SC Blu-ray collection:1156 Trading Score:25	For each disc that I have that will not load in any players at all, none of them triggered any errors until the 50% mark. At that point they all just started popping with error after error and they never went beyond that 50% mark.

10-02-2014, 03:59 AM	#571
Brian81 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Mar 2011 Trading Score:4	Yeah, I was gonna say, people here have narrowed it down to the problem source and also how to identify those discs which come from that source. Look at your d*mn discs, people!

10-02-2014, 04:00 AM	#572
jscoggins Banned Top contributor Member since:Apr 2014 Trading Score:115	I just wanted to say that I have met many new friends through this thread.

10-02-2014, 04:10 AM	#576
pedromvu Blu-ray Guru Member since:Nov 2010 Location:Mexico 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:1222 DVD collection:35 MA collection:8 Digital collection:12 iTunes collection:12 Trading Score:52	Not sure if someone mentioned here but, how cool it would have been that this month's newsletter would have been a hint for an upgrade of this: Criterion title Have to give credit to ShellOilJunior from the Criterion forum

10-02-2014, 04:31 AM	#580
Scottie Moderator Top contributor Member since:Oct 2010 Location:Rhode Island Trading Score:647	Howards End freezes from approximately 01:52:00 until 02:02:00. I had to watch the section that I missed on Dailymotion. It is a shame as the film is quite good.

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