Early Blu-rays that may have playback issues (Criterion, Well Go USA, etc.)

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by Brian81

If it's bronzing it's rotting.

Not true. Discs with waves and discoloration have been around since the DVD era. The discoloration alone does not equate disc rot.

Originally Posted by jscoggins

People have tested the discs in multiple players, and different people with the same movies are having problems.

What people? I checked the links you posted and you have basically gone on to speculate that because someone posted that a disc isn't playable in his/her player that declaring that there is a mass issue of some sort. Example: Monsoon Wedding.

Pro-B

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Let's get something very clear here: Discoloration does not equate disc rot.

And going by your links above, how exactly are you determining that someone reporting that a disc isn't playable in a player isn't a player issue?

Pro-B

Well there definitely seems to be a link between the bronzing and discs freezing, and the passage of time is also a pretty apparent factor, so I would be very concerned that any disc that is bronzed or bronzing will develop playability issues soon if not immediately.

While you are correct that the exact cause-effect relationship here is still murky, it does seem extremely unlikely that bronzed discs are as reliable as non-bronzed ones, and I would be interested in investigating bronzed discs just as much as bronzed and unplayable discs.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

Here's the post I was referring to: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...1&postcount=47

Well, he says that In the Realm of Senses still plays, so I won't add it to the list just yet.

[Brent L.]

I'd be asking for a replacement on any disc with the bronzing. If it still plays for now (like my Days of Heaven), I'd be worried that it could stop working at any time now.

[Vriess]

Seems like my Gomorrah is also faulty, the bronzing is light on this one though

[gill08]

Just because you bought the movie recently doesn't mean it isn't a first print. I looked at my movies and found the following were first prints:

Stagecoach
M
Yojimbo / Sanjuro
Gimme Shelter
Howards End
Pierrot Le Fou
Monterey Pop Complete

The only one I bought within a couple months of release was Stagecoach which seems to look okay. I'll have to put it in and watch it soon.

The rest of the movies were bought years after their original release. I just bought the Yojimbo / Sanjuro combo in July. Gimme Shelter was bought the October of last year. Check your movies.

[BTTF_]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Let's get something very clear here: Discoloration does not equate disc rot.

And going by your links above, how exactly are you determining that someone reporting that a disc isn't playable in a player isn't a player issue?

Pro-B

Discoloration does equate to an issue. It always has.

Nonetheless, this all started with members in another thread realizing that their discs were freezing up halfway through playing. The discoloration became of notice much after the malfunctioning.

[Brent L.]

Originally Posted by Vriess

Seems like my Gomorrah is also faulty although it has no signs of visible disc damage

How did you go about to test it? Will it load at all? Did you try to fast forward through it only for it to stop?

What's the best way to test the ones with no visible bronzing?

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by gill08

Just because you bought the movie recently doesn't mean it isn't a first print. I looked at my movies and found the following were first prints:

Stagecoach
M
Yojimbo / Sanjuro
Gimme Shelter
Howards End
Pierrot Le Fou
Monterey Pop Complete

The only one I bought within a couple months of release was Stagecoach which seems to look okay. I'll have to put it in and watch it soon.

The rest of the movies were bought years after their original release. I just bought the Yojimbo / Sanjuro combo in July. Gimme Shelter was bought the October of last year. Check your movies.

You don't actually know if those are first pressings or not. The "first print" text on the cover is fairly meaningless - it's only changed when Criterion makes a replacement authoring to correct a disc bug, like when there were audio channel issues with White and Che.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by Vriess

Seems like my Gomorrah is also faulty, the bronzing is light on this one though

Thanks! Going on the list.

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by georgec

These are the ones I own, some of which are actually still sealed. Ugh, I don't know if I should open them.

If they're unopened for a sealed collection, I guess it won't matter. If you haven't opened them yet but plan to either open them eventually, or sell them as sealed, you might as well open them up. Personally, I'd hate to deal a buyer a defective disc.


So far I looked at Howard's End. Disc is a darker grey than my disc for The Third Man, but I don't see any bronze discoloration.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

Well there definitely seems to be a link between the bronzing and discs freezing, and the passage of time is also a pretty apparent factor, so I would be very concerned that any disc that is bronzed or bronzing will develop playability issues soon if not immediately.

Actually, I would not be concerned at all without testing the disc. I have many, many such DVDs from the 90s/2000 that have the waves and with many cases of greenish discoloration. They are perfectly fine.

Like I said before, discoloration alone does not equate disc rot.

Pro-B

[Partyslammer]

Originally Posted by Brian81

Partyslammer: Someone in this very thread posted a picture of a bronzed "In The Realm of the Senses"...


BTW....keeping a listing of matrix numbers of affected discs might help ...

Perhaps fortunately, I do not have any of the titles I listed that fall within the time period I categorized, thus I have no way of posting matrix numbers. My suggestion would be for people with verified bad BDs post their disc matrix numbers and those numbers be included on whatever master list someone might compile and continually update on the first post of this thread.

I will say I almost upgraded my "Gimme Shelter" and "Complete Monterey Pop" dvds with BDs during the last 50% B&N sale this Summer.

[Jett Rink]

Originally Posted by rdandura

Or it could be another 3-6 months of dead silence from their end. Which at that point the disc plague will spread, the panic spirals out of control, and we see Criterion lose millions of dollars and go out of business.

We need some people to camp out in front of their office and demand answers.

Don't turn this into #occupycriterion.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by BTTF_

Discoloration does equate to an issue. It always has.

Nonetheless, this all started with members in another thread realizing that their discs were freezing up halfway through playing. The discoloration became of notice much after the malfunctioning.

Which is my point -- the discoloration alone isn't automatically an issue. And no, this has not always been the case. See my DVD comment.

Originally Posted by Brad1963

I just wanted to point out the handful of titles I own that have obvious bronze coloring. They seem fine as of today when I tested them and should not be counted as defective.

This is the case with my discs as well.

Pro-B

[Vriess]

Originally Posted by Brent L.

How did you go about to test it? Will it load at all? Did you try to fast forward through it only for it to stop?

What's the best way to test the ones with no visible bronzing?

I edited my post because it actually does have some bronzing it just isn't as apparent as Walkabout which is really bronzed.

Walkabout would not even load, Gomorrah played for about 5 minutes then gave me an error.

[rdandura]

Originally Posted by brent l.

thank god it seems to just be from late 2009 to mid 2010. Just imagine if this was something that started to affecting their entire bd collection. The damage would be incredible, and i'd really hate it for them.

Like someone said earlier though, i just hope a year from now we aren't posting in this thread about titles from late 2010 to mid 2011.

it will be inevitable!!!

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Actually, I would not be concerned at all without testing the disc. I have many, many such DVDs from the 90s/2000 that have the waves and with many cases of greenish discoloration. They are perfectly fine.

Like I said before, discoloration alone does not equate disc rot.

Pro-B

There's a difference between rainbow colors that appear on the surface of a disc (that could just be light reflected off of oil or plastic) and discoloration underneath the outer plastic. Come on, it's obvious that the pictures show the latter.

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Actually, I would not be concerned at all without testing the disc. I have many, many such DVDs from the 90s/2000 that have the waves and with many cases of greenish discoloration. They are perfectly fine.

Like I said before, discoloration alone does not equate disc rot.

Pro-B

If this were completely out of context, and a disc was just an odd color, I might agree with you. But you cannot ignore the context in this situation - there is, at the very least, an extremely strong correlation between bronzed discs and unplayable discs. If I see a Criterion BD that is bronzed, I am going to be concerned, and I would passionately argue that that concern is much more firmly rooted in the reality of the situation than the green DVD anecdotes you offered.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

Come on, it's obvious that the pictures show the latter.

Actually, I own all of the discs mentioned in this thread and this is the reason why I am commenting here. My discs also have discoloration -- various titles -- and they play fine.

So before you start creating mass paranoia it is good to get the facts first. And the facts are that discoloration has been around for quite some time and it does not automatically equate disc rot.

Pro-B