Early Blu-rays that may have playback issues (Criterion, Well Go USA, etc.)

[tedopolous]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

Shall we put Che Disc 1 on alert? Someone said that he has a copy where Disc 1 is very bronzed, but Disc 2 seems okay (for now).

Not sure about Che to be honest, maybe if someone reports actual playback problems. The bronzing is only slightly visible along the edge, so it's hard for me to say if they're actually rotting or if it's something else. But with all this going on, it's easy to believe so.

[Freeza]

Originally Posted by wormraper

not only that. it's just the repressing of discs.. they don't have to add in marketing costs, or the cost of packaging either...even if they asked us to cover shipping costs so it didn't harm their bottom line too much I'd be ok with it. I'm NOT ok with having 12 of their discs that are going bad. one or two discs going bad due to an oops is understandable, if not inevitable. but for two solid years of pressings going bad ....that's NOT good

Of the 50 titles I own, I've got 9 within the 2010/2011 range (going by Bluray.com's Well Go USA listing). I haven't had the time to pull them all and check the IFPI numbers, but I'd agree with a few other's sentiment that a lot of these titles probably didn't have enough of a market to warrant more than their initial pressing.

[timothy ramzyk]

Honestly, I can't tell if a disk is warming overall or not in some cases. In the right light or angle some of my new, non-criterion titles have a warmer hue than others.

Is it possible that some disks have a warmer hue than others and it means nothing?

I'm not talking about a darker brown creeping in from the rim, but an overall cast.

[TripleHBK]

I went and checked all 100+ of my lionsgate disks about 2 months ago after hearing that some people were having problems with Jacobs Ladder. (It's currently available for $5 at Target). None of my current disks had any problems. I did have my original 2007 copy of Saw fail in 2012, but Lionsgate at that time (Likely aware of the problem) had stealthily included a copy of Saw with Saw VI during the initial pressings, so replacing the disk didn't cost me anything. There are SEVERAL threads on this topic already. The failure on these disks wasn't visible like the Bronzing issue. My copy of Saw was flawless looking, it just wouldn't load on any pc drive or Blu Ray player.

[Hayabusa85]

Shipping from Canada to the US will cost a fair bit more since it is international mail not domestic. Especially if you want to insure and track it which you would be dumb to not do. And if they ship the replacements to Canada via UPS like they tend to online orders the chance is high for brokerage fees. Would be one thing if they were imports and that is the risk of importing. But when they sell their products here they shouldn't be relying on international shipping if anything goes wrong.

Personally I don't agree with people praising them for their replacement program and standing behind their product. It is classless expecting people to pay shipping for your **** up. They should be sending out pre-paid packages for everybody to send them the defective discs in or offering replacements based on photo proof or something. Especially when a premium was paid for their stuff to begin with and not like the bargain bin prices Well Go tend to have.

[Freeza]

Originally Posted by wormraper

damn, even subsequent printings are affected? so far it's just been the 606 printings, but that's disheartening

The IC0Z is the mould IFPI code (found in the central plastic ring), which is where the disc was pressed. The IFPI L606 (both) is the mastering code (found around the inner ring of the data area). His disc has the same 2 codes as mine, which is a 1st pressing (bought at release) and is bronzing. If they changed plants after 2011 this can't be a subsequent pressing.

[mallomar]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

Do you like my new avatar?

From Hermione to Gertrude Stein in a rage?

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by Hayabusa85

Shipping from Canada to the US will cost a fair bit more since it is international mail not domestic. Especially if you want to insure and track it which you would be dumb to not do. And if they ship the replacements to Canada via UPS like they tend to online orders the chance is high for brokerage fees. Would be one thing if they were imports and that is the risk of importing. But when they sell their products here they shouldn't be relying on international shipping if anything goes wrong.

Personally I don't agree with people praising them for their replacement program and standing behind their product. It is classless expecting people to pay shipping for your **** up. They should be sending out pre-paid packages for everybody to send them the defective discs in or offering replacements based on photo proof or something. Especially when a premium was paid for their stuff to begin with and not like the bargain bin prices Well Go tend to have.

I agree with you. Their mistake, their burden.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Freeza

The IC0Z is the mould IFPI code (found in the central plastic ring), which is where the disc was pressed. The IFPI L606 (both) is the mastering code (found around the inner ring of the data area). His disc has the same 2 codes as mine, which is a 1st pressing (bought at release) and is bronzing. If they changed plants after 2011 this can't be a subsequent pressing.

Lol. I figured that out after I posted.

[uther]

Originally Posted by Hayabusa85

Shipping from Canada to the US will cost a fair bit more since it is international mail not domestic. Especially if you want to insure and track it which you would be dumb to not do.

Well put, the last time I tried to track a item through to the US it ended at the border but that was years ago. I am sure the heavy Canadian Criterion buyers will not mind just shipping a huge number of discs at once and if they get lost... Well they get just buy them again and mail them off again after it's only a few bucks.

Originally Posted by Freeza

I'd say you'd already made up your mind on that before you hit submit on your opening post where you lead off with the insult before actually asking the pertinent questions.

Criterion's opening offer was an insult. But I guess foreigners take insults the wrong way. You know like how the US Blockbusters literately liquidated the Canadian chain so they could claim they had turned the company around in their next quarter (which they did claim). The Canadian customers with credit and pre-orders? Well screw them, they should take it like lemmings.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Hayabusa85

Shipping from Canada to the US will cost a fair bit more since it is international mail not domestic. Especially if you want to insure and track it which you would be dumb to not do. And if they ship the replacements to Canada via UPS like they tend to online orders the chance is high for brokerage fees. Would be one thing if they were imports and that is the risk of importing. But when they sell their products here they shouldn't be relying on international shipping if anything goes wrong.

Personally I don't agree with people praising them for their replacement program and standing behind their product. It is classless expecting people to pay shipping for your **** up. They should be sending out pre-paid packages for everybody to send them the defective discs in or offering replacements based on photo proof or something. Especially when a premium was paid for their stuff to begin with and not like the bargain bin prices Well Go tend to have.

While Criterion is responsible since these are Criterion titles I'd disagree that it was their "**** up". That issue lies with the replicator that manufactured the discs. That doesn't absolve Criterion but what has happened was out of their control.

It's unlikely Criterion will ship discs only via UPS since it would be too expensive. They're more likely to ship them by first class mail due to cost.

How has Criterion handled past issues for Canadians? Did they have you ship them to a Canadian or US address? Did you have to pay for returning the defective disc?

[_Quarme_]

Sorry if this has been posted already but my copy of The Seventh Seal IFPI is L322. I rewatched it and it appears to have no problems. Am I safe or is there still a possibility that it might break.

[uther]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

While Criterion is responsible since these are Criterion titles I'd disagree that it was their "**** up". That issue lies with the replicator that manufactured the discs. That doesn't absolve Criterion but what has happened was out of their control.

It's unlikely Criterion will ship discs only via UPS since it would be too expensive. They're more likely to ship them by first class mail due to cost.

I do not expect Criterion to ship UPS and Criterion should not expect Canadians to ship UPS either. And yes it is fully Criterion's fault for picking a bad manufacturer and not insuring quality For Years and it's poor response is fully Criterion's fault as well.

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by mallomar

From Hermione to Gertrude Stein in a rage?

Apparently, someone had a problem with Emma Watson and sent me a nasty PM about it.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by uther

I do not expect Criterion to ship UPS and Criterion should not expect Canadians to ship UPS either. And yes it is fully Criterion's fault for picking a bad manufacturer and not insuring quality For Years and it's poor response is fully Criterion's fault as well.

Really? It's not like Criterion intentionally picked a "bad" replicator and I'm sure the replicator didn't intentionally create bad discs. The fault could even lie with the materials supplier too.

Saying it's "Criterion's fault for picking a bad manufacturer and not insuring quality" is like saying it's the customer's fault for picking a bad studio and not insuring quality. Shit happens and it just so happens that Criterion was left holding the bag this time.

I wouldn't be surprised if the replicator is partially, or fully, responsible for the costs if Criterion even pursues that avenue. At least Criterion IS offering replacements unlike some studios.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

Apparently, someone had a problem with Emma Watson and sent me a nasty PM about it.

Change your avatar because you want to. Don't let some ***hole bother you.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by _Quarme_

Sorry if this has been posted already but my copy of The Seventh Seal IFPI is L322. I rewatched it and it appears to have no problems. Am I safe or is there still a possibility that it might break.

Your disc was manufactured in a Sony plant so your disc should be fine. The affected discs seem to have come from one of Sonopress' (Arvato) plants.

[uther]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Really?

Yes really, you are defending the undefendable and making circular arguments to justify it.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

Apparently, someone had a problem with Emma Watson and sent me a nasty PM about it.

Just report them via the report feature ().

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

Change your avatar because you want to. Don't let some ***hole bother you.

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Just report them via the report feature ().

I will report him if he bothers me again.

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