LG's new OLED TVs

[raygendreau]

LG 55EG9600 review (CHADB) http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...l#post33299073

[spectre08]

I'm glad to see that they slashed the MSRP by $3000 on the 65-inch 4K OLED from last year to this year's model.

At this rate maybe we'll see a 65-inch 4K OLED for under $3k in just a few more years.

[raygendreau]

This becomes more relevant with the recent announcement of the HDMI 2.0a specification:

"Using the term “HDMI 2.0a” to describe the yet-to-be-released spec, Tack explained that a new HDMI version is necessary for the detection of HDR metadata flags that’s embedded in the video stream, allowing for proper display of HDR-treated material. As long as the display is HDR-capable, he said that the upgrade can be done by a software/ firmware update rather than a hardware overhaul."

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/hdmi-...1503184030.htm

Combine that with the probability that Samsung, Panasonic and Sony will either purchase WRGB OLED panels or license the WRGB tech (more likely) from LG and you have everything in place for fairly rapid decline in OLED display prices by 2016. If you don't care about HDR, you could likely pick up an LG 65EG9600 for around $4,000 in 2016.

[raygendreau]

Looks like they are already taking orders for the 3rd quarter 2015 LG OLEDs.
in the UK. Could this be HDR enabled?

http://www.bestavdeals.co.uk/televis...elevision.html

Can't find any info on a LG 55EG9200.

[vinnie97]

A 77" behemoth is more enticing to me than HDR (I am blessed with the space after all; and watching in controlled lighting is not conducive to HDR being an enjoyable experience, IMO). I really want to see that price dip to $10k before making any kind of commitment, though.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

A 77" behemoth is more enticing to me than HDR (I am blessed with the space after all; and watching in controlled lighting is not conducive to HDR being an enjoyable experience, IMO). I really want to see that price dip to $10k before making any kind of commitment, though.

why stop at 77? why not a 120" Vizio Reference Series?

[vinnie97]

1) That wouldn't fit in my designated space and 2) LCD's defects would be horrendously magnified in such an application.

[raygendreau]

Good news for LG 2014 display owners:

"Meanwhile, LG said the webOS version 1 interface in its 2014 smart TVs will be upgraded via a free firmware update in July to add most of the capabilities of webOS 2.0 found in the new 2015 models".

http://hdguru.com/lg-brings-netflix-...medium=twitter

Another notable quote from the above linked article:

"Matt Lloyd (seated left), photography director for the new Marvel “Daredevil” series premiering on Netflix this week, said that “what’s been going on in TV far too long is that we’re forced to work to the lowest common denominator, meaning that we’ve had OLED technology on set for some time now, and we’ve looked in this monitor and had to hedge our bets – on a CRT it’s going to be this, on a tablet it’s going to be that, on Rec-709 it’s this on an extended display it’s that. You’re having to do a lot more guess work… Now we’ve taken control of the delivery again in a way that is incredibly exciting. I think [OLED] technology is going to elevate that in terms of knowing what you’re getting at home and pushing the boundaries and have the sort of strength and support you need from the viewing experience.”"

[spectre08]

I wish they would stop adding on fancy sound systems to these tvs. If I can afford a $9,000 television, I'm most likely not using the built-in speakers.

My UB9500, with a SRP of $3,299, has supposedly fancy speakers and a built-in subwoofer, and it sounds like absolute garbage compared to my crappy $199 LG 2.1 soundbar and wireless subwoofer.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

LG 55EG9600 review (CHADB) http://www.avs********

Although I have mixed feelings about seeing a link (so I’ve *ed some of it) to an outside forum about which I’ve been recently alerted that one member on this page (Vinnie) has been banned (or in long-term suspension) and another member (Robert) has either voluntarily restricted his posting privileges over there or, they have restricted him as to what he can say/do….
In fairness to the calibrator, that is a pretty fine review by Chad.

[Penton-Man]

^ All I would add is that in regards to his comment - “In the advanced picture settings, there is now a gamma mode selection for the BT1886 gamma formula, which on a display with perfect blacks will be the same as 2.4”.

This concept is evidenced by the fact that if you have a display with blacks set at 0 (i.e. you have 0 IRE on screen, you get no light output) and if you math out the BT.1886 equation and plug in 0 as your black level…what calculates out, is a pure power function of 2.4. It is perfectly 2.4 all the way through and there is no variation.

So what is one significance of this? Well, there are a lot of do-it-yourself calibrators out there (esp. on AVS), as well as calibrators working locally, who purchase relatively inexpensive color analyzers (Chad probably not being one of them) ergo, I would recommend them, or you to them, not using a lower end (inexpensive) probe using an actual measured black to calibrate a truly black OLED screen with a BT.1886 equation…. best just go with 2.4 gamma mode selection no matter what the brand/model of a truly black OLED be.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

A 77" behemoth is more enticing to me than HDR (I am blessed with the space after all; and watching in controlled lighting is not conducive to HDR being an enjoyable experience, IMO).

For years, SMPTE recommended the level (brightness) of ambient lighting up to 10% of the brightest white produced in the video image on one’s Rec. 709 HD display…..and that ‘controlled lighting’ is mighty high….certainly not anywhere near pitch black.

[vinnie97]

^Let's just say I like watching in a lights out environment (or as close as one can get without a basement type setup, so that means doing critical viewing mostly in the evenings). I haven't seen any HDR demos yet, but after reading some eyewitness accounts and based on my understanding of its implementation, I am quite sure that spectral highlights with even momentary flashes of increased brightness would make that viewing experience increasingly unpleasant at best.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Although I have mixed feelings about seeing a link (so I’ve *ed some of it) to an outside forum about which I’ve been recently alerted that one member on this page (Vinnie) has been banned (or in long-term suspension) and another member (Robert) has either voluntarily restricted his posting privileges over there or, they have restricted him as to what he can say/do….
In fairness to the calibrator, that is a pretty fine review by Chad.

haha, yes, I'm an outcast there (too many infractions, many for nonsensical reasons adding up over 8 years) but am finding a nice home away from home here at Blu-ray.com (which would not have been the case during the height of the HD media format skirmish) as well as AVS' European counterpart (AVF). Chad is a shining beacon of light at AVS.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by spectre08

I wish they would stop adding on fancy sound systems to these tvs. If I can afford a $9,000 television, I'm most likely not using the built-in speakers.

My UB9500, with a SRP of $3,299, has supposedly fancy speakers and a built-in subwoofer, and it sounds like absolute garbage compared to my crappy $199 LG 2.1 soundbar and wireless subwoofer.

Useless as tits on a bull. In the last 10 years I could probably count on one hand how many times I've used my TV speakers and that number is probably exactly how many times I've hooked up the SNES to play Mario Kart with the RF cable as I can't find the multiAV cable.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Ray, ^ Time will tell and it's won't be far from now. My sample is breaking in at my home so we're enjoying this stunning TV and then switching to the break-in slides. It's going to be difficult to give this one up as we are loving this gorgeous 4K OLED TV.

My two week break-in will be completed on March 26th, but if needed we could calibrate and evaluate the panel earlier so I keep my promise. Although, I like doing a thorough break-in so the panel is stabilized before calibrating or evaluating.


-Robert

So, Robert. Have your LG 55EG9600 and 65EG9600 been calibrated? If so, by which calibrator? Could we see some results? So far, we have the Chad B, Bumptious, and the German review,( which compared the LG 65EG960V to the Samsung SUHD display). I posted links to all of these previously.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

^Let's just say I like watching in a lights out environment (or as close as one can get without a basement type setup, so that means doing critical viewing mostly in the evenings)....

Well, that’s personal preference. But if you desire to try to exactly replicate what is seen when feature motion pictures are being mastered with the filmmaker in attendance (I’m referring to current SDR movies rather than HDR), best not to watch with the lights all out, go with about 2% ambient lighting… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...g#post10502681

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Chad is a shining beacon of light at AVS.

A bonus for calibrators will be that with HDR displays/monitors...they will drift quicker/sooner with HDR usage, rather than SDR usage.

Ergo, re-calibration (for critical, serious viewing) will be needed more often. Chad has more repeat clients to look forward to.

[raygendreau]

The LG 55EG960V continues to sell well in the UK if the activity in the AVforum owner's thread is any indication. Now they are posting unboxing videos on Youtube:

Unboxing LG 55EG960V - YouTube

Here in the U.S., Robert says has a good supply of these sets. Why isn't anyone talking about them? Amazon had a handful of them, sold them immediately and now lists it (LG 55EG9600) as unavailable. Only one customer review on Amazon. The owners thread on AVS has comments from the owner of the display that Chad B calibrated and the owner of the set purchased from Amazon. Chad B said that he has calibrated several OLEDs recently, but not many customer reviews yet. Are OLED owners in the U.S. so overwhelmed with their OLED displays, that they have been rendered speechless??

[raygendreau]

LG admits they can't satisfy demand for their OLED displays, even with premium pricing:

"We're using OLED to gain brand perception," says VanderWaal. "So OLED equals LG equals great televisions. There's enough demand right now that we can't build OLED TVs quickly enough. It's something that people are going to ask for, not something we have to push through the market."

http://www.cnet.com/news/the-great-o...ed-at-a-price/

[InfinTravs]

When are we going to see smaller OLED TVs? I want to see a 37-40" model, maybe 42" at the largest. I really want OLED for my bedroom which is basically my main TV