Only guys I ever feel sorry for are the guys on the bubble in preseason that lose their jobs to injury and never get another chance again.
I could never feel sorry for DeAngelo Hall getting $4mil for playing in 8 games. Sounds amazing to me.
Thats becuase you're looking at it from a fans perspective, which again not many people can fathom that... We need to remove our lotto mentality when looking at these things.
Don't look at it vs. our peers look at it from his peers.
Thats becuase you're looking at it from a fans perspective, which again not many people can fathom that... We need to remove our lotto mentality when looking at these things.
Don't look at it vs. our peers look at it from his peers.
Thats becuase you're looking at it from a fans perspective, which again not many people can fathom that... We need to remove our lotto mentality when looking at these things.
Don't look at it vs. our peers look at it from his peers.
You using the Hall case surprises me. So you are advocating players getting their contracts paid in full even though they don't even come close to living up to them?
He later signed a new six-year contract with the Redskin. The deal contained $23 million in guaranteed money and had a maximum value of $55 million.
All players know the deal, that is why signing bonuses are such a huge deal. If the contracts were guaranteed then they won't even exist.
You using the Hall case surprises me. So you are advocating players getting their contracts paid in full even though they don't even come close to living up to them?
He later signed a new six-year contract with the Redskin. The deal contained $23 million in guaranteed money and had a maximum value of $55 million.
All players know the deal, that is why signing bonuses are such a huge deal. If the contracts were guaranteed then they won't even exist.
Yep. Which is why in the NFL, "deal length" is almost meaningless. As all players, after signing bonuses, are really only playing under a series of 1-year deals, since the deal can end at any time, for any number of reasons.
I can't blame the players, especially big "wear & tear" positions like linemen and RB's, for having a "get what you can, while you can" attitude. As their prime earning window is only a few years.
Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson told Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones in a June telephone call he would like to play for the Cowboys at the end of his tenure with the Vikings, according to an "Outside the Lines" report.
"Well, I understand, Adrian," Jones told Peterson during the call. "I'd like that, too ... Well, I love your story. I love your daddy's story. I've always respected what you've been about. I've always been a fan of yours."
The telephone call is recounted as part of an expansive "Outside the Lines"/ESPN the Magazine profile of Jones by ESPN senior writer Don Van Natta Jr. that was published Thursday.
The story also details Jones' lingering angst over passing up quarterback Johnny Manziel in the NFL draft and Jones' continued emotion over former Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson, whom Jones says will not be put in the Cowboys' "Ring of Honor" that recognizes contributors to the franchise's success.
As for the Peterson call, Van Natta was in Jones' suite at AT&T Stadium when a friend of Jones' handed the phone to him. Peterson had talked first to a Morgan Stanley money manager who had attended George Strait's final concert on June 7 at AT&T Stadium. After the concert, Jones and several others remained in the suite; Peterson talked with the man, who handed the phone to Jones without saying who was on the line.
"Well, we'll see what we can do, if we can make that happen," Jones, who is also the Cowboys' general manager, told Peterson. "Hmm hmm ... I'd like that, too ... Well, we're talking pig Latin here, but let's see if we can do that ... We're talking pig Latin here, but let's see what we can do about that. OK, Adrian, thanks."
Peterson, 29, is in the fourth year of a seven-year, $100 million contract that will pay him $11.75 million this autumn to play for the Vikings.
The NFL's rules on player tampering lay out specific rules if a team is contacted by a player who is under contract with another team: "... the contacted club must immediately report such contact to the owner or operating head of the club which holds the player's rights." Failure to do so can result in "severe" penalties from the commissioner's office.
Jones, who confirmed that Peterson told him he wanted to play for the Cowboys, said he has not talked with Peterson since the call and that he didn't think the discussion should be considered tampering. This week, he said he did not contact the Vikings about the conversation.
The Vikings had no immediate response Thursday when contacted by ESPN's Ben Goessling about the phone call.
The timing of the Jones-Peterson conversation came a month after Jones and the Cowboys passed on Johnny Manziel with the 16th pick of the NFL draft. In his story, Van Natta writes that passing up Manziel for offensive tackle Zack Martin stuck with Jones all summer.
"If we had picked Manziel, he'd guarantee our relevance for 10 years," Jones said in May. "When we were on the clock, I said if we pick the other guy -- any other guy -- it would be a ticket to parity, more 8-8 seasons.
"The only way to break out is to gamble -- take a chance with that first pick, if you wanna dramatically improve your team. That's why I wanted Manziel but I was the only guy who wanted him. I listened to everybody ... And I'm ... not ... happy ... ."
In the story, which airs on "Outside the Lines" at 9 a.m. (ET) Sunday on ESPN and hits newsstands on Sept. 5, Van Natta also writes at length about Jones' continued frustration with former Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson. Jones fired Johnson in March 1994, two months after the Cowboys won their second straight Super Bowl trophy.
"There was just an undermining that went on," Jones said in the story. "It's subtle. It's smart. ... I lost my tolerance of having an associate, a friend, not be loyal."
"Jones' continued emotion over former Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson, whom Jones says will not be put in the Cowboys' "Ring of Honor" that recognizes contributors to the franchise's success"
"Jones' continued emotion over former Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson, whom Jones says will not be put in the Cowboys' "Ring of Honor" that recognizes contributors to the franchise's success"
That's right, Jerruh...you keep on being Jerruh
Sincerely,
The NFC East
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The timing of the Jones-Peterson conversation came a month after Jones and the Cowboys passed on Johnny Manziel with the 16th pick of the NFL draft. In his story, Van Natta writes that passing up Manziel for offensive tackle Zack Martin stuck with Jones all summer.
"If we had picked Manziel, he'd guarantee our relevance for 10 years," Jones said in May. "When we were on the clock, I said if we pick the other guy -- any other guy -- it would be a ticket to parity, more 8-8 seasons.
"The only way to break out is to gamble -- take a chance with that first pick, if you wanna dramatically improve your team. That's why I wanted Manziel but I was the only guy who wanted him. I listened to everybody ... And I'm ... not ... happy ... ."
He's a great business man, no doubt about it. Why? Because having a big ego can work in the business world. Not so much as an NFL GM. Which is why Jerruh's ego won't allow him to acknowledge Jimmy Johnson as a big reason they won THREE superbowls(we all know Switzer was just running Jimmy's team).
But I digress, as I said...keep on rolling the dice Jerruh. Perahap one day you'll figure it out.
Thats becuase you're looking at it from a fans perspective, which again not many people can fathom that... We need to remove our lotto mentality when looking at these things.
Don't look at it vs. our peers look at it from his peers.
Look at it from a performance stance. He played poorly, and missed out on a lot of money. Hall only has himself to blame.
In the end all money paid out counts against the cap, sure there are tricks to put off the cap hit into future years but in the end the players get what they get. If all contract years were guarenteed you'd see the average salary go down. I'm not sure as a fan why you'd want players contracts to be guarenteed.
This is not true. For example, "Likely to occur" incentives that don't get hit count against the cap but never get paid as real $. Which with the injury rate in the NFL likely to occur incentives get missed quite a lot.
There are a lot of odd cases with the NFL salary structure.
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So the Ray Rice Fallout continues with a new domestic violence policy. Six games for 1st offense, lifetime ban for 2nd.
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Key phrase in new domestic violence policy sent to NFL owners: "These disciplinary consequences apply to all NFL personnel." ALL personnel.
Now that is a fantastic rule. Kudos NFL for getting this one right.
NFL employees, players and personnel both, have to understand that there are 100 guys, literally, waiting for you to screw up, so they can get a chance!
That's the burden, I suppose, of being such an elite league: only so few actually make it!
Now that is a fantastic rule. Kudos NFL for getting this one right.
NFL employees, players and personnel both, have to understand that there are 100 guys, literally, waiting for you to screw up, so they can get a chance!
That's the burden, I suppose, of being such an elite league: only so few actually make it!
But the NFL didn't get it right, getting it right would be slapping Rice and the other guy with this ban now. Or even having done this from the get go.
But the NFL didn't get it right, getting it right would be slapping Rice and the other guy with this ban now. Or even having done this from the get go.
Yes, that would've been ideal...but we don't always live in an ideal world.
At least, going forward, there will be firm rules in place to *hopefully* deter such idiotic behavior.
This is not true. For example, "Likely to occur" incentives that don't get hit count against the cap but never get paid as real $. Which with the injury rate in the NFL likely to occur incentives get missed quite a lot.
There are a lot of odd cases with the NFL salary structure.
Huh? a LTBE incentive counts against the cap, if the incentive isn't met it is credited against next years cap. A NLTBE credit doesn't count against the current years cap, but if the incentive is made than it is applied the to the following year's cap. In the end the amount paid counts against the cap at some point in time.
But my point is that the same amount of money is going to be paid to players, if all contracts were guaranteed you'd see a shift in how it is allocated.
Beating your wife 2 games
Drinking beer in your own home 4 games - After being put in the Substance abuse program
Smoking weed 16 games - after failing multiple drug tests
At least they're taking steps to make sure the punishment fits the crime
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