2025-2026 NFL Season Thread

[kidkash]

Originally Posted by walruswarrior

It's called logic. 11/12 balls were deflated. Logic dictates that the balls were deflated by an outside source. Now we go to motive. Why would the refs deflate balls to that point? There is no reason too. Now what is the motive for the Pats? To gain an unfair competitive advantage. Seems cut and dry, especially when considering past transgressions.

Or do we have somebody who pumped a ball to lazy to check it and a ref to lazy to care who eye balled it and said looks right.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by AndersonVision

Not at all. You've got a tangential occurrence that was already handled by the League.

There's a difference between catching one guy with a camera and pinpointing an imaginary conspiracy to deflate balls under live televised play. Especially since the balls would've had to have been removed from Official Hands during live play and put back unnoticed.

Numbered balls being put back unnoticed.

You'd be very surprised at how easily this could be done and go unnoticed. I'd wager a large amount of money that this has been going on for quite some time.

Originally Posted by kidkash

Or do we have somebody who pumped a ball to lazy to check it and a ref to lazy to care who eye balled it and said looks right.

It was 11/12 balls.

[kidkash]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

You'd be very surprised at how easily this could be done and go unnoticed. I'd wager a large amount of money that this has been going on for quite some time.




It was 11/12 balls.

Yeah cause if you eyeball one you don't just eyeball the rest. No those get weighed.

[AndersonVision]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

You'd be very surprised at how easily this could be done and go unnoticed. I'd wager a large amount of money that this has been going on for quite some time.

Again, that's speculation.

You're doing what FOX News does. Making assumptions based on personal belief rather than the facts on the table.

I get the pissed off reaction. Honestly, it pisses me off that Peyton Manning was allowed to get stem cell treatments to enhance his performance, while NFL drug policy slams others for doing far less.

Does that mean there was a conspiracy at play to benefit Peyton Manning? Not at all, unless it can be proven.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by AndersonVision

Again, that's speculation.

You're doing what FOX News does. Making assumptions based on personal belief rather than the facts on the table.

I get the pissed off reaction. Honestly, it pisses me off that Peyton Manning was allowed to get stem cell treatments to enhance his performance, while NFL drug policy slams others for doing far less.

Does that mean there was a conspiracy at play to benefit Peyton Manning? Not at all, unless it can be proven.

You honestly believe this was an isolated incident and the Patriots were not involved? History shows us that is unlikely.

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by AndersonVision

You're doing what FOX News does. Making assumptions based on personal belief rather than the facts on the table.

Cmon msnbc has as many morons on the other side.

I mean al sharpton has a show there for cryin all night.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

Cmon msnbc has as many morons on the other side.

I mean al sharpton has a show there for cryin all night.

Lets keep politics out of this. No good could come from that.

[AndersonVision]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

You honestly believe this was an isolated incident and the Patriots were not involved? History shows us that is unlikely.

I believe balls have become inflated and deflated all of the time. But, refs doing their job catch issues and swap out.

Have you ever held a deflated football? It's like a soda can. While you might not crumble it in your hand, if it's underinflated...your fingers sink in and the texture puckers.

Take a tire gauge and grab any generic ass football off the shelf and give it a go. While that doesn't prove direct correlation for this incident, it shows that are noticeable changes.

Deflategate is a non issue, but it gives us all something to do instead of waiting for the Pro Bowl.

[AndersonVision]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

Cmon msnbc has as many morons on the other side.

I mean al sharpton has a show there for cryin all night.

I didn't call FOX News morons. I said they make emotional appeals rather than reporting the news.

MSNBC just exists. They're like the Weather Channel with Rachel Maddow. Easy to ignore and even most of their base doesn't give a damn about them.

[Terjyn]

I am simply amazed at the number of people trying to deflect cheating as ok based on circumstance.

Cheating is cheating. I don't care if you won 90-0, if you cheated to do so, you still cheated to do so.

AndersonVision, I hope you aren't a Lawyer either, as you sound like the guy who truly believes unless it was witnessed by the Pope himself, you can't be 100% sure what happened. And even then you might hedge as the Pope might have an ulterior motive.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by AndersonVision

I believe balls have become inflated and deflated all of the time. But, refs doing their job catch issues and swap out.

Have you ever held a deflated football? It's like a soda can. While you might not crumble it in your hand, if it's underinflated...your fingers sink in and the texture puckers.

Take a tire gauge and grab any generic ass football off the shelf and give it a go. While that doesn't prove direct correlation for this incident, it shows that are noticeable changes.

Deflategate is a non issue, but it gives us all something to do instead of waiting for the Pro Bowl.

Big difference between footballs off the shelves at Dicks or Sports Authority and the multibillion dollar industry that is the NFL. Big difference.

[AndersonVision]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

I am simply amazed at the number of people trying to deflect cheating as ok based on circumstance.

Cheating is cheating. I don't care if you won 90-0, if you cheated to do so, you still cheated to do so.

AndersonVision, I hope you aren't a Lawyer either, as you sound like the guy who truly believes unless it was witnessed by the Pope himself, you can't be 100% sure what happened. And even then you might hedge as the Pope might have an ulterior motive.

Cheating and other malfeasance has to be proven. While I'm not a lawyer, I'm also not given to forming a lynch mob at a moment's notice.

[jwerk]

Originally Posted by AndersonVision

Crap in one hand and hope that Belichick gets suspended from the Super Bowl in the other.

No way, not again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by burner xxx

I know they're completely different sports but Jimmy Johnson (5 or 6 time NASCAR Sprint Cup champion) is always cheating.

He might be good but his crew chief keeps him great but finding rules to bend.

The Pats will get 0 discipline because they're under inflated balls... not stickem on Edelman's hands. If they were severely under-inflation the refs would've noticed.

I don't like the Patriots any more than a casual football fan but I don't see the big deal here

You're really going to compare NASCAR to NFL? What's next, comparisons of WWE wrestling to the NFL?

[AndersonVision]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

Big difference between footballs off the shelves at Dicks or Sports Authority and the multibillion dollar industry that is the NFL. Big difference.

Again, I said it doesn't prove direct correlation.

But, as you stated in your case against the Patriots, there's doubt in favor of the Patriots.

All we're doing is spinning our wheels.

[AndersonVision]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

You're really going to compare NASCAR to NFL? What's next, comparisons of WWE wrestling to the NFL?

Both are highly sponsored sporting events that skirt most national laws while getting further and further away from the spirit of the game?

[kidkash]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

I am simply amazed at the number of people trying to deflect cheating as ok based on circumstance.

Cheating is cheating. I don't care if you won 90-0, if you cheated to do so, you still cheated to do so.

AndersonVision, I hope you aren't a Lawyer either, as you sound like the guy who truly believes unless it was witnessed by the Pope himself, you can't be 100% sure what happened. And even then you might hedge as the Pope might have an ulterior motive.

Sports has so many cheaters in general I mean you know how many dudes are taking stuff. Eventually it's gonna be who can get the best stuff the cleanest stuff and how fast you can get it. You think these dudes getting 4 game suspensions are just trying stuff? You think the human face grows 3 times its size in your 30's. I care about that stuff being handled more than a ball being slightly deflated, something that apparently has been going on with multiple teams for years.

[dcowboy7]

I say $20 million fine + it counts against their 2015 cap.

They did that to the cowboys for treating "an uncapped yr as a yr with a cap" they can do this then too.

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by kidkash

Sports has so many cheaters in general I mean you know how many dudes are taking stuff. Eventually it's gonna be who can get the best stuff the cleanest stuff and how fast you can get it. You think these dudes getting 4 game suspensions are just trying stuff? You think the human face grows 3 times its size in your 30's. I care about that stuff being handled more than a ball being slightly deflated, something that apparently has been going on with multiple teams for years.

so according to you....cheating has different levels of importance and tons of grey area. got it.

cheating is cheating man. cut and dry. end of story.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

I say $20 million fine + it counts against their 2015 cap.

They did that to the cowboys for treating "an uncapped yr as a yr with a cap" they can do this then too.

Peter King is reporting that all punishment will be deferred to after the Super Bowl. I think the NFL is much more likely to hit their draft picks than anything else.