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Old 02-13-2023, 12:41 PM   #126701
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As a billion dollar industry with the NFL's biggest stars, that field was a black mark on the NFL (corporation).

I know it's a different field from the week one of the season...but we had two players injured (out for multiple weeks) due to field conditions at that stadium.
In that climate, the Cardinals needs to keep the roof closed and invest in UV lighting to keep the root systems strong. Doing the whole resodding thing a few weeks before a game was a huge risk. It clearly hadn’t taken yet.

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Old 02-13-2023, 12:53 PM   #126702
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That super bowl halftime show was the very definition of a “by the numbers” performance. Not bad, not great, just kind of there because a slot needed to be filled.
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Old 02-13-2023, 12:58 PM   #126703
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Playing field was ridiculously horrible.
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As a billion dollar industry with the NFL's biggest stars, that field was a black mark on the NFL (corporation).
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In that climate, the Cardinals needs to keep the roof closed and invest in UV lighting to keep the root systems strong. Doing the whole resodding thing a few weeks before a game was a huge risk. It clearly hadn’t taken yet.

Okay, old guy rant over.
Yesterday, there was a whole article about the lengths they went through to install that field (it was engineered by the same folks that work on the PGA golf course, cost $800K, took two years to "grow it," they've been shuffling it in and old of the stadium so it gets full sunlight, etc.) and for THAT to be thr result of this painstaking process was a total embarrassment by the NFL on it's biggest stage. The level of ineptitude by a multi-billion dollar league seems to reach new heights every year. The tweet/report is linked below:

https://twitter.com/JoePompliano/sta...15283973005314

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Old 02-13-2023, 01:07 PM   #126704
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Old 02-13-2023, 01:24 PM   #126705
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Yesterday, there was a whole article about the lengths they went through to install that field (it was engineered by the same folks that work on the PGA golf course, cost $800K, took two years to "grow it," they've been shuffling it in and old of the stadium so it gets full sunlight, etc.) and for THAT to be thr result of this painstaking process was a total embarrassment by the NFL on it's biggest stage. The level of ineptitude by a multi-billion dollar league seems to reach new heights every year. The tweet/report is linked below:

https://twitter.com/JoePompliano/sta...15283973005314
Hate to say it, but George Toma (who is a KC legend) was one of those over-seeing the implementation of the new grass. The Philly kicker almost twisted his ankle. How many defenders (on both sides-but noticed Philly slipping several times) slipped due to the turf?

They play the game in warm climates, so the weather conditions don't impact the game (and of course give ppl another reason to attend). The field shouldn't impact the game as well.
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Old 02-13-2023, 02:07 PM   #126706
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OK so now....

2 wks to the combine
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been a Chiefs fan since around '63.....another thriller win with a little help by a late penalty..lol

Now I can shave my "playoff beard" off ....if only the Rangers can do the same this year
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My MVP for the game....the whole damn KC O-line! Outstanding job all game long...gave up ZERO sacks and very few pressures. Biggest disappointment...the Eagles defense. The KC O-line handled the Eagles front and didn't hear much from the linebackers. The Eagles secondary was fooled and out of position many times...how many wide open throws were made by KC? Great coaching...great game plan! The team should be pretty good next year...would love to add a #1 receiver and a few more pieces on defense. If they stay healthy they should be right back in the big game next year.
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Old 02-13-2023, 03:28 PM   #126711
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Ahh, good times. FOX aside, get ready for streaming the NFL next season, folks (comparatively, satellite delay is less than 10 seconds. ):


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My MVP for the game....the whole damn KC O-line! Outstanding job all game long...gave up ZERO sacks and very few pressures. Biggest disappointment...the Eagles defense. The KC O-line handled the Eagles front and didn't hear much from the linebackers. The Eagles secondary was fooled and out of position many times...how many wide open throws were made by KC? Great coaching...great game plan! The team should be pretty good next year...would love to add a #1 receiver and a few more pieces on defense. If they stay healthy they should be right back in the big game next year.
Great post. OL (whole game) and Coaches adjustments/calls in the second half was the key. I think about last year's AFC Championship and how i was left with the feeling the play calling in the second half was lacking....well not this year. Time management and calls were so spot on the second half of the SB. I think about Toney and Skyy's TD's were HS wide open. Hasselbeck on ESPN did a great job of dissecting those plays. Great calls and the effort the receivers put in to sell it was fantastic.
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He's never going to win 7 Super Bowls (doubt anyone will), but it wouldn't surprise me if Mahomes ends up winning a good 4 or 5 in his career, making a strong case for the 2nd best of all-time. He already has more rings than a good portion of the QB's generally regarded as the top-15 or 20 of all-time, like Favre, Rodgers, Brees, Marino, etc. Mahomes is only 27 and has now equaled Elway and Peyton Manning in championships won, and those guys were pushing 40 when they won their 2nd ring and Peyton being one of the worst starting QB's in the NFL when he won his 2nd.
2nd Best of all time for Mahomes no.. Joe Montana says what...
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Ahh, good times. FOX aside, get ready for streaming the NFL next season, folks (comparatively, satellite delay is less than 10 seconds. ):
Read an article on the WSJ about betting during games, that you should only do it during the middle part of commercial breaks, because of the delay ( Given that more games are on streaming now, the gaming sites will try to make that (and parley betting) even more popular, as the odds are stacked more against you.
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Read an article on the WSJ about betting during games, that you should only do it during the middle part of commercial breaks, because of the delay ( Given that more games are on streaming now, the gaming sites will try to make that (and parley betting) even more popular, as the odds are stacked more against you.
This one?

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Sunday’s Super Bowl is likely to generate more legal bets than any sports contest in American history. “You can guarantee it,” said Jason Scott, who oversees oddsmaking at BetMGM. Sportsbooks are bullish about the big game, in part because some of the trendiest ways to wager stack the odds against customers even more than usual.

For the average fan, it is easier than ever to bet on sports, and harder than ever to win long term.

The Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia Eagles are playing in Glendale, Ariz., making this the first Super Bowl in a state with regulated sports betting. Two-thirds of states now allow betting, and last year, Americans wagered about $93.8 billion on sports, according to Eilers & Krejcik Gaming. The research firm expects Americans to bet more than $1 billion legally on the Super Bowl.

Thanks to the profusion of online betting, sportsbooks are encouraging customers to bet during games—a category that is “growing exponentially,” Mr. Scott said. Chris Grove, partner emeritus at Eilers & Krejcik, said in the near future, in-game betting should account for the “overwhelming majority” of U.S. sportsbook revenue.

Streaming delays put sportsbooks one or two plays ahead of millions of viewers.

Roughly half of bets on NFL games this season were placed after the opening kickoff. Customers can wager on lines that move with every play, as well as on short-term “prop” bets like, “Will this possession end in a touchdown?” TV programmers love so-called microbetting because it keeps viewers hyper-engaged, and sportsbooks love it because recent technological advances give them a significant upper hand.


The house edge that bookmakers bake into the odds, the “vigorish,” is slightly higher for in-game bets than for those placed pregame. The difference might seem trivial, but by betting incessantly throughout a game, the vigorish “is going to eat your bankroll away,” said Matt Buchalter, an actuary in the Toronto area who teaches courses on sports betting through a program called Analytics.Bet. The rush of live betting “is like playing a slot machine,” he said. “A lot of problem-gaming behaviors get exacerbated when you’re betting every 30 seconds instead of every three hours.”

Pregame, sportsbooks post odds that are sharpened as betting trends emerge. In-game, they mostly depend on algorithms to account, in real time, for a dizzying range of variables: a limping quarterback, a flag-happy referee, an unexpected substitution, a shifting weather forecast. In 2018, when the first states outside Nevada began legalizing sports betting, “in-game line-making for American sports was a disaster,” said Ed Miller, vice president of innovation at the odds provider Huddle. A savvy viewer could identify beatable lines fairly easily. But automation has come a long way. For bettors, “you’re worse off today than you were four years ago, for sure,” Mr. Miller said.

In some states, bettors can wager on hundreds of possible outcomes, including the color of the Gatorade dumped on the victorious head coach, like Los Angeles Rams coach Sean McVay endured in last year’s Super Bowl. (Orange is this year’s favorite.).
Sportsbooks have an added advantage because in-game odds are updated using a data feed that is only about a second behind the on-field action. However, viewers watching this year’s Fox telecast via a cable or satellite provider will be about 15-30 seconds behind, and latency on the Fox Sports app is considerably worse. Last year, streaming technology company Phenix analyzed lag times for different ways of watching NBC’s Super Bowl telecast (which the network declared the “most streamed Super Bowl ever”) and found that feeds from streamers such as YouTube TV and FuboTV were nearly a full minute behind.

These providers don’t dispute Phenix’s findings. A FuboTV spokesperson said in an email, “Reducing latency is important, but the vast majority of our users prioritize stream reliability (no buffering) and picture quality over live latency.”

The delays mean that sportsbooks are one or two plays ahead of millions of viewers. Andrew Pace, founder of betting advice company inplayLIVE, said people basing gambling decisions on a streaming feed are “dead in the water.” Sophisticated bettors know to wager during commercials and other extended stoppages.

“The single biggest trap of live betting,” Mr. Pace told me, is the temptation to do what bettors call chasing losses. Say you bet last month on the San Francisco 49ers to beat Philadelphia. The payout on a 49ers win kept increasing as they fell behind one touchdown, then two, then three, and a wishful 49ers fan might have kept betting on their team even as the game clearly slipped away. “That’s where things can get really ugly for people,” Mr. Pace said.

“People chase,” said Mr. Scott of BetMGM. “I’m not going to dispute that, but I don’t think they chase any more in-game than they do from match to match.”

An even bigger source of growth for sportsbooks has been parlays, in which bettors string together multiple bets for the chance at a larger payout, but lose if any of the components fails to transpire. Bettors can now place same-game parlays, bundling wagers on, say, the winning team, the total points scored and a quarterback’s passing yards. (Naturally, sportsbooks offer in-game same-game parlays, too.)

FanDuel, which controls about half of the national online betting market, according to Eilers & Krejcik, leads the industry due in part to its success capitalizing on parlays. Last October in Illinois, for example, seven out of every 10 bets placed at FanDuel was a parlay, according to data published by the state’s gaming board. FanDuel made about $29.60 for every $100 bet on parlays, compared with $4.80 for every $100 in non-parlay bets.

The recent explosion of parlays is “unbelievable,” said Dave Sharapan, a 20-year veteran of the industry, who remembers when Las Vegas sportsbooks expected maybe 15 percent of bets to be parlays. The downside, he added, is that “you have to keep getting new customers, because parlays are hard to win, and people run out of money.”


Same-game parlays are difficult to price because many outcomes in a game are correlated: Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes throwing three touchdowns raises the likelihood of his team winning. To compensate, sportsbooks apply a higher vigorish, which is tough for customers to perceive and varies among sportsbooks. Last week, for example, a bettor could find identical odds at FanDuel and DraftKings for bets on Kansas City as a 1.5-point underdog, Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce to score a touchdown or Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts to score a touchdown. But a $10 parlay on those three events stood to win $65 at FanDuel and $57.50 at DraftKings.

Bettors can gamble on the results of individual plays and players such as Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes.
DraftKings Director of Race & Sportsbook Operations Johnny Avello said parlays are popular “because you can turn $5 into $20,000, and I see that happen all the time.” (The implied odds of hitting that bet are 1 in 4,000.)

More and more, sportsbook promotions are geared toward incentivizing parlays, often with “risk-free” or “no-sweat” offers. Many customers assume that means a full cash refund if a bet loses; in fact, typically an unsuccessful “no-sweat” bet is refunded with a non-withdrawable, expiring bet credit. Lose the credited bet and come away empty. Last month, Ohio became the first state to explicitly prohibit this type of misleading offer, and Massachusetts regulators say they plan to follow suit.

FanDuel didn’t respond to requests for comment regarding their “no-sweat” promotions. A DraftKings spokesperson said, “DraftKings doesn’t make unfair or deceptive claims or make misleading statements regarding the probabilities of winning or losing at the various games offered.” A spokesperson for BetMGM, the No. 3 operator based on national market share, said the company recently stopped calling offers “risk-free.”

Steve Brubaker, an Illinois horse-racing lobbyist, said he was shocked to see sportsbooks reporting enormous parlay revenue. Indeed, in 2019, Illinois lawmakers approved sports gambling based, in part, on projections showing parlay bets would represent a smaller proportion of the betting total.

To “shine a light” on the situation, Mr. Brubaker announced recently on Twitter that for 50 days he would place a daily $1 bet on the first same-game parlay promoted on FanDuel’s home page. He posts a screenshot of his ticket before games begin, then reports the outcome. As of Friday, he was 0 for 21.

“I don’t want to take the fun out of it,” Mr. Brubaker told me. “I just worry that people will bet really irresponsibly when the sportsbook is encouraging that.”

Mr. Buchalter, the actuary and longtime bettor, concedes that the excitement of parlay payouts might appeal to some Super Bowl viewers. But, “they’re losing bets for me,” he said, “and I have a math degree.”

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