2025-2026 NFL Season Thread

[Hatter]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Source - Twitter

What does he know about teaching quarterbacks? Peyton ran the whole offense when he was healthy and the Indy QB play last year was dreadful.

[Konfusion1230]

Originally Posted by Hatter

What does he know about teaching quarterbacks? Peyton ran the whole offense when he was healthy and the Indy QB play last year was dreadful.

Why would the Colts even have a quarterbacks coach for so long if he didn't know anything or wasn't important to the coaching staff? If anything, maybe he learned some things from Manning in his 10 years coaching him in an elite offense. The fact is, we don't really know how much Caldwell knows, but I'll take Caldwell as a QB coach over no QB coach at all like in 2011.

As far as the Indy QB play is concerned, good luck finding a coach who can turn Curtis Painter, Dan Orlovsky, or a 38/39 year old Kerry Collins into a competent starter. Especially when you have to focus on your whole awful team as head coach, not just your awful quarterbacks.

[Hatter]

Originally Posted by Konfusion1230

Why would the Colts even have a quarterbacks coach for so long if he didn't know anything or wasn't important to the coaching staff? If anything, maybe he learned some things from Manning in his 10 years coaching him in an elite offense. The fact is, we don't really know how much Caldwell knows, but I'll take Caldwell as a QB coach over no QB coach at all like in 2011.

As far as the Indy QB play is concerned, good luck finding a coach who can turn Curtis Painter, Dan Orlovsky, or a 38/39 year old Kerry Collins into a competent starter. Especially when you have to focus on your whole awful team as head coach, not just your awful quarterbacks.

No need to get upset. My bad. I didn't even know Caldwell was in the Colts organization for a decade with most of that as QB coach. When Peyton is the QB, nobody knows who the coach is since Peyton runs the offense more than any other QB in the league.

[Konfusion1230]

Originally Posted by Hatter

No need to get upset. Why can't the average fan be puzzled that someone who was never an offensive coordinator and had little input on what Peyton did on the field should suddenly become a QB coach?

I'm not upset, never said I was. You asked the question and I tried to answer it the best I could. Again, we don't know Caldwell's input on what Peyton did. Peyton only had 4 years without Caldwell, including 26/23 and 26/28 td/int years. I think it's unfair to question what Caldwell knows just because he has had the pleasure of working with a quarterback like Manning all these years. He was promoted from QB coach straight to head coach, so he must know something.

[ChadFL]

Keisel said what everyone already knows about the "Pro Bowl." I actually do think it would be a good idea to make it a flag football game. The Pro Bowl is touch football anyway, so may as well do things different for the fans and make it flag football. Maybe mix in some celebrities on the teams. I'd definitely start watching if they did that.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...gs-on-players/

The first guest of the week on PFT Live undeniably has the best beard in the NFL. Possibly in the history of the world.

Steelers defensive end Brett Keisel joined the show and talked about missing the Pro Bowl because he is injured.

“Hawaii’s a great place. That’s the biggest reason I would go. Get my surf on. Get some salt water on this beard. I’ve heard it helps it grow,” Keisel said while stroking his beard. “Along with Head & Shoulders.”

(That was such a seamless plug we had to mention it.)

Keisel did watch the game and felt like a lot of fans at home.

“The speed of game was like a walk through,” Keisel said laughing. “Or a jog through. They probably should have just put flags on them. It might have been more entertaining to see if they can get the flags off.”

We’ll have more from Keisel later in the day, including his comments on the disappointing end to the Steelers season and playing in the toughest division in football.

[filmnut5]

Originally Posted by Hatter

No need to get upset. My bad. I didn't even know Caldwell was in the Colts organization for a decade as QB coach. When Peyton is the QB, nobody knows who the coach is since Peyton runs the offense more than any other QB in the league.

with the issue here. Caldwell won't help an already overrated Flacco...GO BROWNS.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by filmnut5

with the issue here. Caldwell won't help an already overrated Flacco...GO BROWNS.

I'm not sure what a QB coach is supposed to do when Peyton is your QB anyway. Caldwell was QB coach for Indy from 2002-2008, so he wasn't even Peyton's first NFL QB coach.

Caldwell's whole resume is quite mediocre. He coached the Colts to a 22-26 record. Before the Colts he coached Wake Forest to a terrible 26-63 record with just one bowl appearance in 8 years. Hard to believe he lasted 8 years before getting fired. His successor at Wake Forest has a 68-67 record at the school with 5 bowl game appearances and one BCS game.

As far as the Browns go I can't believe they hired Chilly.

[filmnut5]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

As far as the Browns go I can't believe they hired Chilly.

I'm praying Chilly is one of those guys who will succeed as a co-ordinator but was a Sh*tty Head Coach.....Just like Wade Phillips is. If not, our Star Struck Soccer owner needs to get rid of Mr. West Coast Offense , Holmgren, and get someone with an offensive game plan from this Century.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by filmnut5

I'm praying Chilly is one of those guys who will succeed as a co-ordinator but was a Sh*tty Head Coach.....Just like Wade Phillips is. If not, our Star Struck Soccer owner needs to get rid of Mr. West Coast Offense , Holmgren, and get someone with an offensive game plan from this Century.

Hard to say. Chilly was Eagles coordinator 1999-2002 when the Eagles had some of their best years. Though I imagine that had more to do with Reid and the very talented team the Eagles had at the time. Browns need Griffin bad.

[Hatter]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

I'm not sure what a QB coach is supposed to do when Peyton is your QB anyway. Caldwell was QB coach for Indy from 2002-2008, so he wasn't even Peyton's first NFL QB coach.

Caldwell's whole resume is quite mediocre. He coached the Colts to a 22-26 record. Before the Colts he coached Wake Forest to a terrible 26-63 record with just one bowl appearance in 8 years. Hard to believe he lasted 8 years before getting fired. His successor at Wake Forest has a 68-67 record at the school with 5 bowl game appearances and one BCS game.

As far as the Browns go I can't believe they hired Chilly.

Peyton did become a All-Pro quarterback once Caldwell took over as QB caoch so he must have done something right. If Caldwell can turn Flacco into a third alternate pro bowl QB that would be pretty good.

[Tony208]

Originally Posted by Hatter

Peyton did become a All-Pro quarterback once Caldwell took over as QB caoch so he must have done something right. If Caldwell can turn Flacco into a third alternate pro bowl QB that would be pretty good.

So Caldwell made Peyton All-Pro? Nobody believes that.

All you need to know is the guy took a nose dive from head coach with a Super Bowl appearance to offensive assistant/QB coach.

The good/competent head coaches make a lateral move.

His job during the game is to manage it and he can't even do that right. Like calling timeouts to help the other team (jets, jags).

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Hatter

Peyton did become a All-Pro quarterback once Caldwell took over as QB caoch so he must have done something right. If Caldwell can turn Flacco into a third alternate pro bowl QB that would be pretty good.

Peyton was a two-time Pro-Bowler and led the league in TD's and passing yards before Caldwell even started as QB coach in 2002.

[filmnut5]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Browns need Griffin bad.

...Thank you. I've been arguing with some of my fellow Browns Backers (not here) who think Colt is the guy...HE IS NOT.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by filmnut5

...Thank you. I've been arguing with some of my fellow Browns Backers (not here) who think Colt is the guy...HE IS NOT.

Luck goes #1 and the #2 and 3 draft spots (Minnesota and St. Louis) are teams who don't need a QB. Only worry for the Browns would be another team trading up to #2 or 3 and taking Griffin ahead of them.

[Hatter]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Peyton was a two-time Pro-Bowler and led the league in TD's and passing yards before Caldwell even started as QB coach in 2002.

True but Peyton was all over the place in 2001. From 2002-2008 he won four MVP's, four all-pro and pro bowl every year. His accuracy also increased by almost 4% after Caldwell joined. There's no way Caldwell wasn't responsible for at least part of that. That would be like saying Leo Mazzone had nothing to do with Maddux's success either. Sure Maddux had already won a Cy Young before he came to the Braves but he lowered his walk rate and then took it to another level in 1994 and 1995.

[Rblu-Dblu]

Originally Posted by Konfusion1230

As far as the Indy QB play is concerned, good luck finding a coach who can turn Curtis Painter, Dan Orlovsky, or a 38/39 year old Kerry Collins into a competent starter. Especially when you have to focus on your whole awful team as head coach, not just your awful quarterbacks.

Except that Luck will be the starter from day 1 when he gets in Indy.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Hatter

True but Peyton was all over the place in 2001. From 2002-2008 he won four MVP's, four all-pro and pro bowl every year. His accuracy also increased by almost 4% after Caldwell joined. There's no way Caldwell wasn't responsible for at least part of that. That would be like saying Leo Mazzone had nothing to do with Maddux's success either. Sure Maddux had already won a Cy Young before he came to the Braves but he lowered his walk rate and then took it to another level in 1994 and 1995.

It's so hard to tell with coaches. I'm sure Peyton wouldn't have had what seemed to be a rocky relationship with him, had he really mentored him. I'd bet Howard Mudd helped Peyton more, but nobody really knows Caldwell could have been responsible for all of it, but we'll never know

[fatediesel]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Luck goes #1 and the #2 and 3 draft spots (Minnesota and St. Louis) are teams who don't need a QB. Only worry for the Browns would be another team trading up to #2 or 3 and taking Griffin ahead of them.

Yeah, a lot of the speculation I've read is that a team is going to trade up to #2 or #3 to draft Griffin, so the Browns might need to trade their second first round pick (#22 pick from Atlanta from last year's Julio Jones trade) just to move up a spot or 2 to ensure they get Griffin. Whether the Browns need to trade up may depend on how free agency goes and which teams are still in need of a QB.

I've read a lot of people that think the Redskins could move up to get Griffin but I'm not sure if he's a good fit for the Shanahans. When you look at the quarterbacks they've coached it's been mainly pocket passers like John Elway, Jake Plummer, Jay Cutler, and Matt Schaub (when Kyle was OC in Houston). I could see them preferring to throw a boatload of money at Matt Flynn or a fairly cheap trade for New England's Brian Hoyer over giving up multiple #1 picks to move up for Griffin.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

I've read a lot of people that think the Redskins could move up to get Griffin but I'm not sure if he's a good fit for the Shanahans. When you look at the quarterbacks they've coached it's been mainly pocket passers like John Elway, Jake Plummer, Jay Cutler, and Matt Schaub (when Kyle was OC in Houston). I could see them preferring to throw a boatload of money at Matt Schaub or a fairly cheap trade for New England's Brian Hoyer over giving up multiple #1 picks to move up for Griffin.

I don't want them reaching like I've said over, and over reaching on a player is worse especially when guys like Flynn could be good, and Schaub is good when healthy. Just seems easier to build up around then reach and hope you get a Vick/Newton.

[fatediesel]

Originally Posted by supersix4

I don't want them reaching like I've said over, and over reaching on a player is worse especially when guys like Flynn could be good, and Schaub is good when healthy. Just seems easier to build up around then reach and hope you get a Vick/Newton.

Meant throwing money at Matt Flynn, not Matt Schaub. Edited my original post.