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[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

But, yeah, zero reflection of ye olde snakey, the only major "fix" I noticed.

Interesting...

I'm guessing the cliff-side matte painting was the original analog one. Notice that?

Spielberg may view the matte painting as a "change", but the reflection as a "fix".

[duggie walker]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

Nope. There's talk that the earlier scenes have been lightened, I didn't notice any major change. But, yeah, zero reflection of ye olde snakey, the only major "fix" I noticed.

As per IMAX sharpening, again, I think the aerial shots looked worse than several of the closeups, but I'm certainly not going to get into an argument about sharpening/DNR/etc. on this forum.

Ok well I guess I'll struggle through without your contributions, sharkshark,

Anyone else seen the film in IMAX that wants to comment? I don't see that there needs to be an argument. I'm just wondering what I was seeing.

[Blu-Ray Watcher]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Hi Watcher. No.

Yeah, it was confirmed that there will be no trailer this month.

[Steedeel]

Merry Christmas Penton Man and all members. Hope you all have a great time and enjoy the holidays. (not posting for a while)

[rickah88]

I guess there is a Santa Claus
Had to go there!

[cjamescook]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...it seems that even P.J. has/or will make that situation even more unclear by shooting The Hobbit with the non-traditional 270 shutter as opposed to the traditional 180 shutter, material of which (180 degree shutter) some have seen in past HFR (high frame demos) in 2D and complained about the appearance of a so-called ‘soap opera’ look to the imagery.

If 48 fps with a 180 shutter gives an effective 1/96 exposure period, why would he deprecate it using a 270 shutter to 1/72?

Noise reduction in low light? Or is my math incorrect?

[cjamescook]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Ok. I guess I'll accept the camel clause.

Camels don't have clause.

-Jim
"There ain't no sanity clause" - Chico Marx

[Steedeel]

Rick, i am simply wishing people happy christmas. In my opinion you are just mocking every single post now.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Merry Christmas Penton Man and all members. Hope you all have a great time and enjoy the holidays. (not posting for a while)

and Merry Christmas to you.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I guess there is a Santa Claus
Had to go there!

lol, you guys.
I hope it all turns out...

[Show spoiler]like this did at the end

Warrior Trailer 2011 Official - Tom Hardy - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by cjamescook

Camels don't have clause.
-Jim
"There ain't no sanity clause" - Chico Marx

Originally Posted by cjamescook

:confused
If 48 fps with a 180 shutter gives an effective 1/96 exposure period, why would he deprecate it using a 270 shutter to 1/72? Noise reduction in low light? Or is my math incorrect?

lol, you and those damn camels!
Anyway, I didn’t necessarily mean it would deprecate it. Honestly, at this point, the only thing I’m clear about regarding the frame rate and shutter angle combination issue is how unclear the situation is…..at least based on theory and never having personally seen 48fps shot with a 270 degree shutter angle (I’ve only seen that frame rate captured at 180 degree, and in 2D).

As to the math, think of it this way. Normally, one shoots at a frame rate of 24fps with a 180 degree shutter. So, in order to get the same motion characteristics shooting at P.J.’s desired frame rate of 48fps, one would have to shoot with a 360 degree shutter. But, the stickler being that this refers to the motion blur on or in each individual frame. Next one must consider the fact that you are also shooting with a higher frame rate (48 fps) so, there is not as much of a gap between frames and therefore, to use P.J.’s words, it will look more “velvety” or fluid-like….or less judder-ish, especially on pans. So, perhaps their tests showed that shooting with a 360 degree shutter at 48fps, resulted in imagery which was too “velvety” or even smeary, thusly they went with a 270 degree shutter angle which looked better. So, you see, it all does get very confusing -

Monty python-The Royal Society for Putting Things on top of other Things.wmv - YouTube

What I am clear about though, is that the limiting factor which will decide the adoption and adoption rate of HFR (high frame rate) 3D, will not be the filmmaker, the movie-goer, or the theater owners upgrading their equipment but, the post facilities who will have the handle the extra data.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

and Merry Christmas to you.

And, in case I don’t get thee opportunity to check back in, of course Happy Holidays to all the general membership and mods, not forgetting a shout-out for a particularly Merry Christmas to a certain ‘Developer’ man here (and his family) on Blu-ray.com from the land of Ice and snow –

The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo "Immigrant Song" -- Karen O with Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross - YouTube

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Interesting...

I'm guessing the cliff-side matte painting was the original analog one. Notice that?

Spielberg may view the matte painting as a "change", but the reflection as a "fix".

Yeah, Matte looked the same, I didn't know there was talk of that being changed (was it on the DVD? I know the reflection's gone from there).

The bluescreen finale still looks like '81 Blue Screen.

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

and Merry Christmas to you.

Happy Channukah, b!tches...

[Deciazulado]

Merry Christmas Penton and thanks for being around.

[Anthony P]

Merry Christmas

[PaulGo]

Hobbit 3D production:

The Hobbit production diary #4 - YouTube

[sharkshark]

Hey, P, got any particular feelings about the "pro" glasses (from likes of Oakley, Gunnar, etc.) for REALD? I know it's completely stupid to buy $100+ glasses for use only intermittently at theatres, but I've blown far more money on incremental increases on HT, and I'm really getting bummed out by the disposable crap ones. Pre-SW:TPM, thought of picking up a pair.

Happy to have you PM me to say you've got a line on a cheap pair

[DenonCI]

Merry Christmas everyone!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Hobbit 3D production:

The Hobbit production diary #4 - YouTube

Nice clip Paul. As an aside, at least, if anything, maybe now some people will now understand what I meant when I said a “bouncing mirror", as I didn’t include a visual aid like that rig in the P.J. video at the time I quickly typed up this post….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/insider-di...ml#post5330182

Interesting that P.J. says “If I had the ability to shoot Lord of the Rings in 3D, I certainly would have done it.” Hey, ole geezer, it looks like you now have even more ammo available in your forays with the 3D haters .