HDR Discussion Thread

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Rottweiler30

This has probably been asked before but why are all you purist film fanatics loving HDR.
Surely it's revisionism?

When my plasma breaks and I have to go 4k LED ( shudder), I hope you can turn it off.

Ask Vincent.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Rottweiler30

This has probably been asked before but why are all you purist film fanatics loving HDR.

Surely it's revisionism?

When my plasma breaks and I have to go 4k LED ( shudder), I hope you can turn it off.

Colour gamut or nits?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Ask Vincent.

Vincent, don’t be shy in returning, as we’ve also corrected SMPTE Fellows (aka ‘video gurus’), numerous times for speaking above their expertise - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post11223806 (scroll down thru the page)

also, for example -

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Day 1 (the Saturday version) of the 2014 Value Electronics Shootout which was livestreamed on the internet, in which I mentioned his lack of knowledge regarding the digital intermediate workflow of The Amazing Spider-Man 2, from 8-17-2014....

Anyway, aside aside, whereas, then on Day 2 (the Sunday version of his presentation at the 2014 Value Electronics shootout)…..the one which eventually made it onto the YouTube, about a month later, Joe completely changed his presentation to simply state that “the first modern film that actually had a 4K master was Spider-Man 2”.

Perhaps a caring soul who reads this forum regularly like Robert Z. or David Mackenzie at the event gave him a heads-up as to the constructive criticism after the Saturday presentation (Version 1) blunder?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

With that opening, consider all the memes...

cue
Goose

communicating -


some of you real world warriors out there might recognize the ^ fracture deformity, if you don't concentrate solely on the communicating finger

[Scottishguy]

Penton-Man could be a banned retired insider if that image isn't taken down.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by Rottweiler30

This has probably been asked before but why are all you purist film fanatics loving HDR.

Surely it's revisionism?

When my plasma breaks and I have to go 4k LED ( shudder), I hope you can turn it off.

If done right hdr will provide a more accurate picture

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Penton-Man could be a banned retired insider if that image isn't taken down.

Max Richter - Meeting Again - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Penton-Man could be a banned retired insider if that image isn't taken down.

How so?, as either you can’t see the fracture thru the splint and/or to the context of Staying Salty’s post above, you personally don’t appreciate the humorous cinematic history of the original Top Gun movie -

top gun ~ you know the finger~ - YouTube

or behind the scenes pics of pre-production training with SAR –



Seriously, we should all be thankful for what we have, esp. today for us Americans, as life’s all a matter of perspective –

Extremely color blind 7th-grader sees vivid colors for 1st time - YouTube

P.S.
The Scots I know - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ng#post6731464
are more friendly, unless you were joking.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

If done right hdr will provide a more accurate picture

An accurate picture of what?

Shooting a movie is the process of making the audience believe the fake is real. It's one man's (the director) vision.

Green screen, blue screen, matte painting, CGI, double exposure, under cranked/over cranked cameras . . . and HDR. Just another tool in the toolbox.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

How so?, as either you can’t see the fracture thru the splint and/or to the context of Staying Salty’s post above, you personally don’t appreciate the humorous cinematic history of the original Top Gun movie -

top gun ~ you know the finger~ - YouTube

or behind the scenes pics of pre-production training with SAR –



Seriously, we should all be thankful for what we have, esp. today for us Americans, as life’s all a matter of perspective –

Extremely color blind 7th-grader sees vivid colors for 1st time - YouTube

P.S.
The Scots I know - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ng#post6731464
are more friendly, unless you were joking.

Part joke, part having experienced a 24 hour ban for apparently using a gif to circumnavigate the profanity filter.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Geoff, have you seen The Irishman yet?

It looks very good in Dolby Vision, but every single scene I checked and compared with SDR version looked exactly the same in terms of highlight details. Of course in DV there's this beautiful sense of dimensionality and higher contrast, but I've found it surprising that even with some obvious shots like @ 23:20 mark nothing's clipped outside the window in SDR.

I gave it a viewing last night in HDR10 and...yeah. One or two moments of >SDR imagery but, in the main, if you'd told me I was watching an SDR version I wouldn't have disagreed. Blown highlights galore, teal-tinged colour grade, high-ish APL. But I don't doubt that it's exactly what the filmmakers wanted, and to go back to Knives Out I've been told that the HDR grade on that is essentially a replication of the SDR.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I gave it a viewing last night in HDR10 and...yeah. One or two moments of >SDR imagery but, in the main, if you'd told me I was watching an SDR version I wouldn't have disagreed. Blown highlights galore, teal-tinged colour grade, high-ish APL. But I don't doubt that it's exactly what the filmmakers wanted, and to go back to Knives Out I've been told that the HDR grade on that is essentially a replication of the SDR.

You want to see a total Netflix abortion? Put The Patriot on for 5 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNRo...ature=youtu.be

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

to go back to Knives Out

and imdb, as a teaching moment to Vilya and others, follow-up to last September - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...b#post16826067

as to yet another example, most recently - https://twitter.com/steveyedlin/stat...99093066747904

[Lee A Stewart]

An image of a flexible OLED display that NHK aims to realize (source: NHK)

[Penton-Man]

well if we’re back to marketing, I think a contender for the win is –

QLED + 6 Underground + Ryan Reynolds - Director's Cut - YouTube

[Rottweiler30]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

If done right hdr will provide a more accurate picture

Mmm a more accurate picture that's good. So what you're saying is, for example, Goodfellas was shot 30 years ago utilising HDR, and now at last thanks to modern technology we can finally see it in all it's original HDR glory?

Bollocks.

I'd put HDR in the same boat as motion smoothing, aka soap opera effect.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Rottweiler30

Mmm a more accurate picture that's good. So what you're saying is, for example, Goodfellas was shot 30 years ago utilising HDR, and now at last thanks to modern technology we can finally see it in all it's original HDR glory?

Bollocks.

I'd put HDR in the same boat as motion smoothing, aka soap opera effect.

The irony is that Goodfeathers on UHD is about as un-HDR-y as it gets, it's very much one of those "HDR lite" kinda presentations that's gotten certain panties in a bunch in the first place. And, as with Mando, it's the sort of thing that poor tone mapping will just destroy because it'll take something that's not been shot/mastered to "pop" as it is and make it that much dimmer and darker still.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by Rottweiler30

Mmm a more accurate picture that's good. So what you're saying is, for example, Goodfellas was shot 30 years ago utilising HDR, and now at last thanks to modern technology we can finally see it in all it's original HDR glory?

Bollocks.

I'd put HDR in the same boat as motion smoothing, aka soap opera effect.

Honey, by writing about shooting movie utilising HDR (say what?) you're only showing us that you don't understand what HDR is.

Of course one can argue about HDR grades being revisionism if done without involvment of DP or director, but what the hell? How can you even compare part of post production to some stupid option in TV's menu?

This...


..is not the same as this.

[Rottweiler30]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Honey, by writing about shooting movie utilising HDR (say what?) you're only showing us that you don't understand what HDR is.

Of course one can argue about HDR grades being revisionism if done without involvment of DP or director, but what the hell? How can you even compare part of post production to some stupid option in TV's menu?

Er, exactly that's my point.

HDR is revisionism.

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The irony is that Goodfeathers on UHD is about as un-HDR-y as it gets, it's very much one of those "HDR lite" kinda presentations that's gotten certain panties in a bunch in the first place. And, as with Mando, it's the sort of thing that poor tone mapping will just destroy because it'll take something that's not been shot/mastered to "pop" as it is and make it that much dimmer and darker still.

Love me some Goodfeathers.

Pesto "Swell" - YouTube