HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Robert Zohn , there’s enough demo material YouTube videos around to last us a lifetime no matter the current TV technology; however, now that we’re heavy into SDR football and soccer season and invite guests over to watch SDR games on TVs larger than 65”, how ‘bout doing a side-by-side YouTube video with a quality camera of the 75” Sony X95J (LED LCD) vs. the 77” Sony A80J (OLED) under ‘B’ ambient light conditions – https://www.avsforum.com/threads/202...#post-61047769

Despite being a movie lover, I think that the general population is as much, or arguably more, interested in watching sports as viewing movies and gaming during this time of year….and for that matter come Nov. – Dec. 2022 with the unusually winter scheduled World Cup in Qatar.

Sony electronics even admits that “When an image displayed on the screen that may easily cause image retention the screen brightness gradually reduces in order to protect the TV from image retention. The brightness returns to normal if you change the screen or perform another action that eliminates the risks of image retention.”

Well, folks are not going to change to a different channel or turn off the TV during a soccer or football game as you could miss a decisive moment. Rather than relying solely on testimonials from this or that user owning one or the other TV at home, let’s have a more scientific analysis with both TVs set up to see with camera capture showing the imagery if this image retention/burn-in protection process adversely affects viewing of an entire soccer, football, or basketball game. Sports fans want to know the answer. Let the chips fall where they may, even if it affects sales or this or that TV. Additionally, due to their reasonable (for most) price range, some were really interested in those two TVs from the get-go despite their non-presence at your shootout - https://www.avsforum.com/threads/202...#post-61023095

Everything I’ve seen by “professional” TV reviewers on Youtube showing dimming with either the A80J or A90J has been with regards to gaming and not SDR sports, e.g. –

Sony A80J Imagine Retention Prevention Dimming Testing, Is It The Achilles Heel? - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post19361197
^ follow-up -> For those at the show, make sure to stop by the SmallHD booth (B200) to check out their stuff - https://smallhd.com/collections/production-monitors
(b.t.w., dimming is not an issue with the 1303)

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

we’re heavy into SDR football and soccer season and invite guests over to watch SDR games on TVs larger than 65”...

The Zombies - Time Of The Season (with lyrics) official - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

....brightness returns to normal if you change the screen or perform another action that eliminates the risks of image retention.”

Well, folks are not going to change to a different channel or turn off the TV during a soccer or football game as you could miss a decisive moment

like so -

Video: Falling cat gets saved by fans at Miami football game I ABC7 - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

So, I view the situation like this. Teaching hospitals (academic institutions that teach residents and fellows as well as being at the forefront of medical practice) –

(^ picture courtesy my wife from last Dec. while she was taking a 15 min. break outside to get some fresh air and unwind from 4T UC Irvine Medical Center)

teaching hospitals, take on difficult cases such as elderly folks with less than optimal health for interventions and surgeries like total knee replacements, etc. whom other institutions, will and do, turn away for they fear a poor patient outcome will affect their morbidity and mortality statistics which in turn could adversely affect their financial bottom line. However, life isn’t all about making money.

I think of Robert’s place as a Teaching institution too , albeit CE store-wise, in contrast to places like Best Buy or Costco, etc. Take the case, Robert as the Sony 77” A80J is going on sale in 3 days - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post19367437 and sports fans really want to know, with evidence rather than testimonials to this or that, if live feed SDR sports broadcasts dim due to this anti-image retention/burn-in protection process. If you can’t do it yourself then recruit Keep it Classy, FOMO, Whisper or other guys that frequent your store and flood the internet with display tech YouTubes. Have them record the live feed imagery of a football or soccer match with the said TVs side-by-side showing a game in its entirety.

Let’s not be left only with behind the scenes ultra-short sequenced tidbits and hallway chats, i.e. – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqC7fQyaaX0#t=2m24s

Anyway, since we’re talking about stores, Best of the Best non-teaching CE store - https://www.cepro.com/projects/ce-pr...om-experience/

[Penton-Man]

gkolb and LordoftheRings, appears we're looking at 1/2 million views for this thread for the month of September

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

gkolb and LordoftheRings, appears we're looking at 1/2 million views for this thread for the month of September

Any theories, wth happened?

[Penton-Man]

^ Heck g, I don’t know, we sell nothing here and I stopped offering giveaways years ago – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...es#post1793726 . Maybe it’s because everyone has returned from long summer vacations or at least short road trip getaways, e.g. https://www.pjtf.org/ and are now back at home spending more time online in general?

Maybe a horde of motorcycle freaks discovered the crystal motorcycle behind the official TG: M props mug - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...g#post19051622 and are wondering what brand of motorcycle it is? Your guess is as good as mine.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

thanks, mr P! Doyle does make some excellent points re: acquiring for 4K and/or HDR, of the trends for shooting digital on a fabulous camera but using quirky old glass (Kris Deering is not a fan!) and also for using film emulation LUTs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JgYAwI1hnQ#t=38m19s
with regards to Kevin Shaw ^, I’d assume by now many readers here are familiar with him, e.g. - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post19069864 and as to Anthony Dias, among other work, he was the DIT on Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Teaching institution

b.t.w, since this thread also has a long heritage of teaching vis-à-vis the Socratic method from one Insider - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post14764271

to another -

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

And then challenges folks to guess which scene it is

for those unfamiliar on how to read waveform monitors in HDR, nice primer this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV4msJREmVo#t=1m23s

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

gkolb and LordoftheRings, appears we're looking at 1/2 million views for this thread for the month of September

And we're gong to need more staff (docs and nurses) in hospitals ...

* Number of views in the HDR thread is a small fart compared to the reality outside (New York for one). Views mean less than nothing, ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrB9...ature=youtu.be

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Irvine

of course, sometimes one can be exposed to waaay more than you need to know when you’re in the spending mood, like the naïve visitor as was I, yesterday here - https://canjamglobal.com/shows/socal2021/

While down in Irvine, in order to prevent information overload and headache, as soon as learning and listening to what is considered the Best by golden ears far superior to mine, I think I really should have divided my time between that show and visiting Bill Hunt (of The Digital Bits) also in Irvine to see if he and his wife still care for dem quiet animals

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Only life important

So true my wise fellow and goes without saying for CPT code 0004A and those prior

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Any theories, wth happened?

I think it may have been more precise to say that we will easily exceed ½ million views for this thread for the month of September . Now, on with the show -

Episode 13 includes HDR discussion beginning around 12:00 after mentioning Inside Out, followed by a rather extensive discussion about 8K displays, the most demanding content for consumer displays, specular (highlights) vs. full frame brightness, the belief in the accuracy/or not of static HDR metadata, filmmaker mode as a cure for motion interpolation, etc.) -

Michael Zink of WarnerMedia –Â*The Display Show, Episode 13 - YouTube

P.S.
One service credential that wasn’t listed during the introduction which may be of interest to the membership here is that back in the day during the time the Blu-ray Disc Association was developing the parameters for UHD BD, Michael served as a company representative and thusly as I recall a voting member on some ballots when deciding what to/or not include in the UHD BD video spec.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

New York

5K restoration to be exhibited on October 6, here - https://www.filmlinc.org/nyff2021/films/rude-boy/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Time not important. Only life important

https://blog.armadillomerino.com/blog/rob-small

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd_2xibKx9s#t=1m13s

follow-up on IBC365: https://www.ibc.org/trends/dolby-vis...y/7950.article

[Penton-Man]

From 9-20-2021: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post19367437

follow-up, confirmation to ^: https://www.costco.com/sony-77%22-cl...100757947.html

and now lowered to $3,099.99 at Best Buy

one caveatthat sports fans should keep in mind is Sony’s own acknowledgement to the dimming issue –

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Sony electronics even admits that “When an image displayed on the screen that may easily cause image retention the screen brightness gradually reduces in order to protect the TV from image retention. The brightness returns to normal if you change the screen or perform another action that eliminates the risks of image retention.”

Well, folks are not going to change to a different channel or turn off the TV during a soccer or football game as you could miss a decisive moment. Rather than relying solely on testimonials from this or that user owning one or the other TV at home, let’s have a more scientific analysis with both TVs set up to see with camera capture showing the imagery if this image retention/burn-in protection process adversely affects viewing of an entire soccer, football, or basketball game. Sports fans want to know the answer. Let the chips fall where they may, even if it affects sales or this or that TV. Additionally, due to their reasonable (for most) price range, some were really interested in those two TVs from the get-go despite their non-presence at your shootout - https://www.avsforum.com/threads/202...#post-61023095

Everything I’ve seen by “professional” TV reviewers on Youtube showing dimming with either the A80J or A90J has been with regards to gaming and not SDR sports, e.g. –

Sony A80J Imagine Retention Prevention Dimming Testing, Is It The Achilles Heel? - YouTube

the relevance of which has yet to be determined with certainty in regards to being detrimental to a live feed of an entire football or soccer game especially on a bright sunny day at a stadium or other sports and venues like an indoor professional basketball or ice hockey game, nevertheless being of significant concern to gamers as expressed and proven in that ‘Achilles Heel’ video linked in the quote above.

For sports fans or gamers willing to take the risk and hassle of not being satisfied with their purchase, the good thing about buying a TV from Costco is that they will accept returns for 90 days and you can schedule a pickup at your home with their transportation guys in case you care not return it yourself to your local Costco. Plus, if you can’t get the TV downstairs all by yourself, they will go up and fetch it too.

[Robert Zohn]

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[Penton-Man]

Throwback Thursday to a discussion covering multiple movies (including one forthcoming in HDR ) as well as some other filmmaking stuff by this guy who gained experience as an electrician, gaffer and lighting engineer on a number of features before taking on another role as a member of the crew - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...g#post19138525

His real claim to fame – having a lovely and talented wife and daughters and the true ruler of the household, as written in cement:

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

we broke the 10 million viewership threshold over Labor Day like so ...

Here we are last day of September 2021, views for this thread are 10,733,012.
Thanks to Penton's note above we were 10M+ Sept. 06.

So about 733,000 new views in 24~25 days. At 25 days, that's 29,320 a day.
I think my eyebrows just singed off from that pace.
Or else there's been a cosmic surge in HDR interest this month. Just sayin'...