Blu-rays are 8 years old and DVDs still cling to them like a cancerous tumor. Why?

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by ilik2pac

I for one hate DVD combo packs. Even Criterion started doing them, and because their Blu-Ray cases held up to 2 discs, and their combo-packs are usually 3+ discs, they have moved to digipack packaging, which I hate as well. The thing that upsets me the most about combo packs is this blue band right here...

[Show spoiler]

I just want to see the beautiful cover art, I don't need this blue band invading the space.

Criterion is starting to suck with the packaging. Have you picked up Godzilla? Single disc, so why not have the regular clear plastic case? Instead it's some BS digipak that looks like a pop-up book (of just the head). WHY, was that even needed? NO! It's just so stupid, and ugly.

[UFAlien]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Criterion is starting to suck with the packaging. Have you picked up Godzilla? Single disc, so why not have the regular clear plastic case? Instead it's some BS digipak that looks like a pop-up book (of just the head). WHY, was that even needed? NO! It's just so stupid, and ugly.

Ugh, the Godzilla packaging... this is partially because I'm stupid, I suppose, but I'd also never had a package of that type before. I tried to open it the wrong way and now it's torn along the bottom. And the pop-up head isn't even from the right movie!

[pentatonic]

I personally like combo packs, I get the BD and my daughter who doesn't have a setup that could even profit from a BD (plus she only cares about the story and when she wants the cinema experience, well she then goes to the theater).

If it were $10 more I would skip but actually many times when you do have the choice of combo or basic you usually are losing some o9n the BD, not always but it's happened. She sure does appreciate it and couldn't care less about packaging, as a student she doesn't have room to "show off" her movies, so she uses binders anyways.

And while it seems very few do, my bro started buying combos before he actually bought a BDP and a decent 3D 50". And someone mentioned including a DVD was retarded as now even the kids have a BDP in their room. While that might be true in some cases, in everyone I know with kids who do own a BDP, it's the only one in the house. TBH I'm the only one with 2 (and I live by myself ).

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

While that might be true in some cases, in everyone I know with kids who do own a BDP, it's the only one in the house. TBH I'm the only one with 2 (and I live by myself ).

I own 3 BD Players. My parents own 2. My brother owns 2. They are becoming as plentiful as DVD Players were a few years back.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

I own 3 BD Players. My parents own 2. My brother owns 2. They are becoming as plentiful as DVD Players were a few years back.

Sounds like an experimental model for malignancy to me.

[Penton-Man]

This thread moves too fast (like a rapidly growing malignant tumor) in order for me to keep up. I’m still back on page 18, reading the reply from the Chicago fellow -

Originally Posted by octagon

To paraphrase the immortal Orson Welles, keep your damn crayons away from our pictures.

Nehhhh-ver heard of him. But I have heard of and been known to quote Willy…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...sh#post4507580

[Hypnosifl]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I don't buy the distance to screen stuff. Just my opinion though. I'm convinced I could see the difference on a 4K 50 inch screen.

The fact that you could see a difference doesn't mean the "distance to screen stuff" is wrong, it probably just means you were close enough that the extra resolution was visible (according to the chart here, with a 50 inch screen you'll start to notice the difference between 2K and 4K when you get closer than around 6 feet). And it's possible you were also noticing the slightly larger color space of 4K displays compared to (current) 2K displays.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Hypnosifl

The fact that you could see a difference doesn't mean the "distance to screen stuff" is wrong, it probably just means you were close enough that the extra resolution was visible (according to the chart here, with a 50 inch screen you'll start to notice the difference between 2K and 4K when you get closer than around 6 feet). And it's possible you were also noticing the slightly larger color space of 4K displays compared to (current) 2K displays.

It's different in the UK room wise. We tend to have large dining rooms and smaller living rooms. I'm certainly only seven foot from my screen when not using projector (different room) I can't think of anyone who would be 9 feet from their screen. I like to get in close anyway with a nice snack to hand!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Hypnosifl

The fact that you could see a difference doesn't mean the "distance to screen stuff" is wrong, it probably just means you were close enough that the extra resolution was visible (according to the chart here, with a 50 inch screen you'll start to notice the difference between 2K and 4K when you get closer than around 6 feet). And it's possible you were also noticing the slightly larger color space of 4K displays compared to (current) 2K displays.

Sorry, you misunderstand. I mean in theory I am convinced I would see difference. I do not yet own a 4k set. (Soon I hope)

[eiknarf]

The point is, this whole point could be avoided if they just gave the consumer options:

A)Blu-ray
B)Blu-ray/DVD pack.

The fact that a DVD comes with many of the new Blu-ray releases is what's keeping "the number of DVD sales up".
The only Blu-ray discs that don't come forced with a DVD are the catalog titles.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

While I understand that disk art has no incidence on the enjoyment of the movie and can be seen as trivial at best, the 1st BD I got with none did bother me, it looked "cheap". Like a car, you see it coming out and going in, but once driving, does it matter, no, does it make you car better or worse, no but if all cars all of a sudden had to be white as it was cheaper to produce it wouldn't be well received. But it wouldn't affect the product at all.

the car analogy does not work.

1) you are wrong some people tend to spend a lot of time looking at their car (for example when hand washing it) and even when driving the dashboard and hood are always visible the whole time so it is not only when you are coming out and going in

2) If all cars looked the same, maybe they would not affect driving but , it would be a lot harder to find your car in a parking lot since I am sure I am not the only one that has gone towards the wrong car because that other car was a similar make/model and colour. So it does have some affect on usage.

3) cars are also (for some) a status symbols and for a way for people to show their conformity (I want a popular colour) or individuality. Something that does not make sense with disk art (unless the person pics it up and shows it to all his guests and say "see I am special it looks nice")

. It's a personal opinion, and in such is as valid as any other.

maybe, but isn't that the point he gave his opinion and others gave their opinion. the problem is you don't like that others disagree with it.

[Hypnosifl]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Sorry, you misunderstand. I mean in theory I am convinced I would see difference. I do not yet own a 4k set. (Soon I hope)

But are you convinced you would still see a difference even if you were far enough from the set that an optical analysis would suggest your eyes would be incapable of resolving any details smaller than the pixels on a 2K set at the same distance/screen size? For example, do you think you would see a difference sitting 10 feet away from a 50 inch 4K screen?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Hypnosifl

But are you convinced you would still see a difference even if you were far enough from the set that an optical analysis would suggest your eyes would be incapable of resolving any details smaller than the pixels on a 2K set at the same distance/screen size? For example, do you think you would see a difference sitting 10 feet away from a 50 inch 4K screen?

I probably do to be honest, although like I said I like to be up close so a 4k set will be ideal for me.

[houdunni]

Personally I think that having combo packs are 'nice' but not something I look out for. If a movie happens to have a Blu-ray/DVD combo AND the price is good, then I will buy it. Why? Well some friends don't have Blu-ray players yet so I can take the movie to their house and we can watch it on their DVD player. Having said this, there are less and less friends with DVD players now so the answer changes that I can also watch the DVD on my computer while I'm working on a computer project. My computer cannot read Blu-rays.

And as for covers, I like good art because and I have created a database that my new TV can link too to show all the covers. Why?
Well when friends visit they usually go to my movie room but all they see are the spines of the Blu-rays/DVDs and often miss or overlook good movies. With the website they see the covers and can scroll through them on the large screen TV. I have attached a sample which has been severely reduced in size and quality to get on this site.
The scrolling is done in chunks showing ~120discs/screen and are sorted by type eg Movie, TV, Music. The image attached fills my 57" screen and people regularly comment on both the movie and the art work.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

the car analogy does not work.

1) you are wrong some people tend to spend a lot of time looking at their car (for example when hand washing it) and even when driving the dashboard and hood are always visible the whole time so it is not only when you are coming out and going in

2) If all cars looked the same, maybe they would not affect driving but , it would be a lot harder to find your car in a parking lot since I am sure I am not the only one that has gone towards the wrong car because that other car was a similar make/model and colour. So it does have some affect on usage.

3) cars are also (for some) a status symbols and for a way for people to show their conformity (I want a popular colour) or individuality. Something that does not make sense with disk art (unless the person pics it up and shows it to all his guests and say "see I am special it looks nice")





maybe, but isn't that the point he gave his opinion and others gave their opinion. the problem is you don't like that others disagree with it.

Anthony, it was just a crude example, not everything needs to be taken literally all the time. Yes many do look at their cars, and many couldn't care less, and the same could be said for disc art. Different colored cars to help locate could also be said for someone who doesn't put his BDs away right then (unless that is ridiculous also).

Whether you agree with it or not is one thing and is totally a personal call. But I don't see why the member is not allowed to care for it if he so desires. Doesn't hurt anyone and while many could live with a plain silver disc with just a name on it, others enjoy having nice disc art, the same as nice cover art, or slipcovers (that also brings nothing to the quality of the BD).

Not agreeing is one thing, saying that the way he said it was ridiculous is another. I'm not saying you need to agree, I couldn't care less, but why is his opinion not as worthy as yours (or the others) for example?

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

I own 3 BD Players. My parents own 2. My brother owns 2. They are becoming as plentiful as DVD Players were a few years back.

Not saying it's not always true, but the fact that we generally complain about the relatively slow adoption by the "joe-6-packs" still clinging to their DVDs it stands to reason that most still don't have one, so multiple is far from the norm outside of forums like this is all

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Hypnosifl

...For example, do you think you would see a difference sitting 10 feet away from a 50 inch 4K screen?

As far as I know that distance has yet to be tested by any professional lab. I can tell you that the EBU (a lead group in the development of the parameters for Rec.2020) tested 27 non-expert observers under strict scientific conditions using 7 different motion picture sequences and the tested viewers could identify the difference (4k being superior) between 2160p (‘4k’) @50fps Rec.709 material vs. 1080p (‘full HD’) @50fps Rec.709 at a distance of 8.8 ft.

These test results have been presented at various professional conferences.

At this point, the display resolution - human visual acuity debate is rather moot because the plan is for 4K displays (over 2K displays) to herald in also thee other finer picture quality stuff.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Anthony, it was just a crude example, not everything needs to be taken literally all the time

crude or not an example still needs to work. In your case it did not work at all. So it added nothing (literally or not) to the conversation. You just used it to try and cloud the discussion (pretended car colour was the same as disk art because most people care about car colour.

Not agreeing is one thing, saying that the way he said it was ridiculous is another. I'm not saying you need to agree, I couldn't care less, but why is his opinion not as worthy as yours (or the others) for example?

I did not say it was the way he said it. I said making a big deal out of it was ridiculous even if it was legitimate (and then in an other post explained with an example that actually worked why it was ridiculous to care so much i.e. someone short changed a few pennies because the government decided to get rid of them).

Let me put it this way. If I asked you guys what colour is your car (assuming you have one), would you be able to tell me without looking? my guess is yes. If I asked someone that collects steelbooks/ collectors editions and other such stuff "what is title ______ In his collection? my guess is that he will be able to say (I can definitely say in my roughly 2k BDs which are digibooks, collectors editions, steelbooks, 3d and for the most part I don't care about the packaging). And for the most part (even though some I have not looked ta the cover since 2006) I will be able to say what is on the cover of the BD. But I am guessing if I picked a handful of his titles and asked him to describe the disk cover he would have a big problem doing so. it is legitimate for someone to wonder "why is the DVD colour and the BD B&W on the batman disk" but to get to the point where it "really grinds my gears" something becomes odd

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

crude or not an example still needs to work. In your case it did not work at all. So it added nothing (literally or not) to the conversation. You just used it to try and cloud the discussion (pretended car colour was the same as disk art because most people care about car colour.



I did not say it was the way he said it. I said making a big deal out of it was ridiculous even if it was legitimate (and then in an other post explained with an example that actually worked why it was ridiculous to care so much i.e. someone short changed a few pennies because the government decided to get rid of them).

Let me put it this way. If I asked you guys what colour is your car (assuming you have one), would you be able to tell me without looking? my guess is yes. If I asked someone that collects steelbooks/ collectors editions and other such stuff "what is title ______ In his collection? my guess is that he will be able to say (I can definitely say in my roughly 2k BDs which are digibooks, collectors editions, steelbooks, 3d and for the most part I don't care about the packaging). And for the most part (even though some I have not looked ta the cover since 2006) I will be able to say what is on the cover of the BD. But I am guessing if I picked a handful of his titles and asked him to describe the disk cover he would have a big problem doing so. it is legitimate for someone to wonder "why is the DVD colour and the BD B&W on the batman disk" but to get to the point where it "really grinds my gears" something becomes odd

That's fine Anthony, I'm not looking for an argument so I will just pass.

[Hypnosifl]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

As far as I know that distance has yet to be tested by any professional lab. I can tell you that the EBU (a lead group in the development of the parameters for Rec.2020) tested 27 non-expert observers under strict scientific conditions using 7 different motion picture sequences and the tested viewers could identify the difference (4k being superior) between 2160p (‘4k’) @50fps Rec.709 material vs. 1080p (‘full HD’) @50fps Rec.709 at a distance of 8.8 ft.

But you didn't specify the screen size. I said you wouldn't see a difference in resolution for a 50 inch screen 10 feet away, but with a larger screen you could. Based on the chart I linked to, I'd bet that in the example you mention where a difference was seen 8.8 feet away, the screen size was larger than 70 inches (unless the people were picking up on the better color space of 4K rather than the better resolution, but if the experimenters trying to test specifically for the effects of resolution they would have controlled for color by intentionally displaying the 4K image with the same color set as the 2K one, even if the system was capable of finer color gradations). All that matters in terms of what you can resolve is the ratio of screen height or width to the distance the viewer is sitting.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

At this point, the display resolution - human visual acuity debate is rather moot because the plan is for 4K displays (over 2K displays) to herald in also thee other finer picture quality stuff.

I don't really understand what you mean here--by "other finer picture quality stuff" are you talking about the color space, or something else?