Panasonic UB820/UB9000 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by sa5150

"ridiculously saturated during Blu-ray"

how so ? Bad ? I'm going to be getting the 9000 in a few weeks and blurays and dvds will be mostly what I will be watching at first , over 500 of them . I hope i'm not making the wrong choice on player .

I don't have the exact model of TV he has but my blu-ray up-scaling was not saturated. It sounds like he needs his TV calibrated.

Keep in mind when I say this I have watched a wide variety of 1080p content on my 820 for almost 2 months ranging from big budget, to anime, to criterion and documentary and I would say from my old player (Xbox One S) the up scaling on the 820 is by far better. The 820 brings out IMO a lot more detail from picture than my previous player. Watching Dreams and or Ran by AK as an example or various anime, the colors appear so much more richer than what the One S was showing to me, which look flat in comparison.

I do active comparisons on my setup as my 820 and One S are both connected. With the exact same equipment and cables.

[hgwy407]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

I don't have the exact model of TV he has but my blu-ray up-scaling was not saturated. It sounds like he needs his TV calibrated.

Keep in mind when I say this I have watched a wide variety of 1080p content on my 820 for almost 2 months ranging from big budget, to anime, to criterion and documentary and I would say from my old player (Xbox One S) the up scaling on the 820 is by far better. The 820 brings out IMO a lot more detail from picture than my previous player. Watching Dreams and or Ran by AK as an example or various anime, the colors appear so much more richer than what the One S was showing to me, which look flat in comparison.

I do active comparisons on my setup as my 820 and One S are both connected. With the exact same equipment and cables.

Almost the same situation here. Zero issues with color saturation when upscaling. I'm using an LG C7 OLED. The picture, when upscaling, is outstanding on my end.

[sapiendut]

Thise functions can be done through the TV settings.

[sapiendut]

I didn’t read your mention about Haunted Mansion before but I do agree, the colours seems to pop up more on certain movies. The other movie which upconversion makes the colour noticeably pop up more is Terminal (2018). The only assumption I have is that the Panasonics also expand the colourspace of REC709 to DCI-P3.

As far as the 820 flexes a little bit? Yes. It does flexes a little bit depending where you hold it. After all, it is made of plastic with relatively heavy internals.

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

I didn’t read your mention about Haunted Mansion before but I do agree, the colours seems to pop up more on certain movies. The other movie which upconversion makes the colour noticeably pop up more is Terminal (2018). The only assumption I have is that the Panasonics also expand the colourspace of REC709 to DCI-P3.

As far as the 820 flexes a little bit? Yes. It does flexes a little bit depending where you hold it. After all, it is made of plastic with relatively heavy internals.

The most notable example or best use of the upscaling is anime and a lot of the criterion colored releases IMO from my collection. Breakfast Club, Repo man, any color AK film. So vivid.

[rustyk]

Hi, I've read through about 80% of this thread. I've searched and I've read the manuals and I can't take any more in, but I still have a question i'm unable to find the answer to.

If I don't have a Dolby Vision display, assuming i'm not bothered about the extra outputs and build quality, is there any point right now in buying the DP-UB820 (£300) over the UB420 (£150)?

I was kind of hoping I'd be able to use the UB820 to convert Dolby Vision source material (UHD disks and/or streaming) to other HDR formats or to SDR with enhanced tone mapping/optimisations in order to get a better quality picture on my displays. I'll be outputting to a BenQ TK800 projector and a lg oled eg960v.

Loads of really useful info in here, particularly about using SDR2020 output and bypassing the (probably awful) tone mapping on the display!

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

I didn’t read your mention about Haunted Mansion before but I do agree, the colours seems to pop up more on certain movies. The other movie which upconversion makes the colour noticeably pop up more is Terminal (2018). The only assumption I have is that the Panasonics also expand the colourspace of REC709 to DCI-P3.

As far as the 820 flexes a little bit? Yes. It does flexes a little bit depending where you hold it. After all, it is made of plastic with relatively heavy internals.

Glad to know someone else saw the somewhat deeper "color pop" other than me; interestingly, my response post (which took time to essay) to the attacks against me in this thread was removed, so we'll have to go on from this position: In retrospect, the color wasn't as "ridiculously saturated" on the 820 (using standard Blu-rays as the guinea pigs) as I had originally stated; there was, however, a definitive color push using this player (you saw it too)...a characteristic I don't see using my Cambridge CXUHD.

Thank you for also confirming that the player flexes under the touch -- if you listened to people in this thread, you'd think I took the player out of the box and threw it against the wall in order to make the disc tray open.

[King Crimson]

Should a disc playing hdr10+ content display as such when displaying playback information?

[Clark Burk]

Originally Posted by rustyk

Hi, I've read through about 80% of this thread. I've searched and I've read the manuals and I can't take any more in, but I still have a question i'm unable to find the answer to.

If I don't have a Dolby Vision display, assuming i'm not bothered about the extra outputs and build quality, is there any point right now in buying the DP-UB820 (£300) over the UB420 (£150)?

I was kind of hoping I'd be able to use the UB820 to convert Dolby Vision source material (UHD disks and/or streaming) to other HDR formats or to SDR with enhanced tone mapping/optimisations in order to get a better quality picture on my displays. I'll be outputting to a BenQ TK800 projector and a lg oled eg960v.

Loads of really useful info in here, particularly about using SDR2020 output and bypassing the (probably awful) tone mapping on the display!

If the 420 is available in your area then it should be fine. It does the tone mapping just like the 820.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

I didn’t read your mention about Haunted Mansion before but I do agree, the colours seems to pop up more on certain movies. The other movie which upconversion makes the colour noticeably pop up more is Terminal (2018). The only assumption I have is that the Panasonics also expand the colourspace of REC709 to DCI-P3.

This is not true at all. I've verified this on test patterns.

[sapiendut]

Thank you for the verification

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Should a disc playing hdr10+ content display as such when displaying playback information?

That would be basic info.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

This is not true at all. I've verified this on test patterns.

Yeah. On the various Panny UHD players that I've had there are no measurable differences in colour saturation or gamut when using SDR 709 content whatsoever. And if they *were* grossly boosting the content beyond what it should be then professionals like David M wouldn't go near them with a barge pole.

Again, I can only surmise that the overly sharpened luma and chroma on the Panny's upscaling is what gives it so more 'pop'.

[sapiendut]

Definitely the colour pop is not “overly exaggerated” but it’s noticeable.

[King Crimson]

When I read the metadata from a disc example M:I Fallout or virtually any Paramount. I'm receiving no values other than 0. But for say as example any Sony or Warner they're actual values in the metadata.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Should a disc playing hdr10+ content display as such when displaying playback information?

If you’re asking from the Panasonic player display, no one knows until next week when disks are sold. Are you buying any of the three?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

When I read the metadata from a disc example M:I Fallout or virtually any Paramount. I'm receiving no values other than 0. But for say as example any Sony or Warner. They're is actual values in the metadata.

Paramount, Fox and Disney don't typically put MaxFALL and MaxCLL on their UHD discs, only max/min MDL.

Warners, Universal and Sony typically do, while Lionsgate seemingly flip a coin.

(Dear OPPO: I would actually pay cash money to have this information added to your players.)

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by gkolb

If you’re asking from the Panasonic player display, no one knows until next week when disks are sold. Are you buying any of the three?

Yeah I'm watching the prices of all 3. Not really interested in any of them as far as content more so, solely for HDR10+ compatibility verification.

[Bigbro]

Interesting. However I set DV to off in the menu because I then can use the optimizer with HDR10(without the +). I find the picture is better that way. I expect this to be the same with HDR10+

[rustyk]

Originally Posted by Clark Burk

If the 420 is available in your area then it should be fine. It does the tone mapping just like the 820.

Thanks for the reply. I'm aware that the 420 does tone mapping, however my question is whether there is any benefit to using the 820 with a display that doesn't support Dolby Vision?