Panasonic UB820/UB9000 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Because he is right; I've seen them with my own eyes.

Your in Quebec, eh

Until Robert has a shoot off we reserve the right to debate Panasonic OLED’s are any better.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by COACH10810

I could be wrong, but aren't the Panasonic OLED units not available in the states?

I thought they were only sold overseas...

Yes, Panasonic sells OLED TVs in Canada and some of Latin America as well as the EU and Asia.

They also sell OLED TVs in the USA, but exclusively to Hollywood studios and post production houses.

[COACH10810]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Thats true, but they are available in Canada though. Panasonic recently has always sold to UK and like, and EU before the products make it to the states. Panasonic TV's got kinda chastised out of USA store chains with the demise of selling plasma too long.

That is really too bad because I still have two Panasonic Plasmas and one of the last Kuro Elites by Pioneer. All three are great TV's and the last year of the Panasonic plasmas were probably better than the Kuros.

It would be nice to see the Panasonic OLED make its way into the U.S.

Thanks for the info

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Doesn't matter as to what chroma subsampling you set, the chroma is grossly oversharpened on the default chroma sharpness setting on their current players, causing ringing against areas of contrasting colour. Load up a set of regular colour bars and it should be quite apparent. And 4:2:0 only works for 2160p50/60 content.


On a separate note, they also broke 480i playback on their UHD players as well. Any word on whether that's been fixed for this latest generation?

My understanding is that the UB900 has exceptional Chroma processing. I'll test the output on our UB900 and UB820 with the SMPTE color bars and get back with the results.

[grodd]

Here is the direct comparison of the chroma where the OPPO has more jaggy edges and the Panasonic looks smoother with addition to more detail on the 4K and 1080p test patterns.

So I'm curious to see what GeoffD is talking about. (Starting at 3:20)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ys6...ature=youtu.be

[Robert Zohn]

Thanks for researching this further.

All I've ever heard is that the UB900 has the best (most accurate and faithful to the disc) Chroma processing of any BD player.

[Wobulater]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Yes, Panasonic sells OLED TVs in Canada and some of Latin America as well as the EU and Asia.

They also sell OLED TVs in the USA, but exclusively to Hollywood studios and post production houses.

I looked at the Panasonic Professional products website, but I could only find LED/LCD displays, no OLEDS. It is puzzling that the consumer OLEDS, which they sell outside the US, will not support Dolby Vision.

[Robert Zohn]

From what i know they are not on the USA professional site yet as the US broadcast division has not received the 2018 OLED EZ1000 series displays yet.

I'm also surprised to see no Dolby Vision support. They are still in demand among video enthusiasts and considered the best in class.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by Wobulater

I looked at the Panasonic Professional products website, but I could only find LED/LCD displays, no OLEDS. It is puzzling that the consumer OLEDS, which they sell outside the US, will not support Dolby Vision.

panasonic is in the HDR10+ camp along with samsung. you are not gonna see DV anytime soon on their tvs. sony and LG are in the dolby vision tribe and vizio :P

its middle of the year now and still no discs with HDR10+

[LordoftheRings]

And Sony Dolby Vision is still looking for the 8th ball.
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Extra:
• https://www.panasonic.com/ca/consume...-77ez1000.html
• http://www.areadvd.de/tests/xxl-test...uer-6-999-eur/

This 4K HDR game ain't over yet, it is just starting.
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Bonus:
• http://www.areadvd.de/tests/xxl-test...e-disc-medium/
• http://www.areadvd.de/reviews/gladia...ra-hd-blu-ray/

[Wobulater]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

From what i know they are not on the USA professional site yet as the US broadcast division has not received the 2018 OLED EZ1000 series displays yet.

I'm also surprised to see no Dolby Vision support. They are still in demand among video enthusiasts and considered the best in class.

One articles claims movie studios are using 2017 Panasonic OLEDs:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...led-tv-ranges/

[sa5150]

$150 price drop on the DMP-UB900 , I did not know this , I just bought the Oppo 203 last month , still unopened and 30 more days to return to crutchfield . Is the panny better and can it play sacd ?

[unknownuser0001]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

From what i know they are not on the USA professional site yet as the US broadcast division has not received the 2018 OLED EZ1000 series displays yet.

I'm also surprised to see no Dolby Vision support. They are still in demand among video enthusiasts and considered the best in class.

I'm European and the FZ OLEDs are well priced unlike last years EZ so they are definitely on my list. The Panasonic owners threads are reporting the least problems despite of that now they have many many owners, not as many obviously as LG or Sony but enough to reveal serious problems. So reliability could be better.

The better the tone mapping of the TV the less important is Dolby Vision on the current panels. At the moment DV is basically just a "tone mapping algorithm", yes the 12-bit processing helps with smoother gradients but Panasonic's tone mapping and color performance is good enough to minimize the differences.
So far the FZ OLED is looking good, it has the best HDR10 performance pre and post calibration, you can have this accuracy with games too and input lag is 21ms.

The HDR10 tone mapping is better than with the HDR Optimizer in the 820/420 players because the player don't know the TVs max brightness.

The problem with DV is that the content creators and hardware manufacturers need to rely on Dolby, it don't matter if they are ready with the firmware they can't proceed without Dolby's approval. Somewhere I read that OPPO's DV firmware is finished weeks ago but waiting for Dolby approval....
And with content, Dolby is making the DV mastering and they don't have enough resources to just rapidly increase the number of DV movies. And with these raised blacks, brightness fluctuation etc problems both the hardware manufacturers and content creators are questioning if it's worth the extra cost.

So I think DV will be always a niche format and the ratio won't change much in the coming years, I wouldn't be surprised if 2-3 years later there will be still just about 20-30% DV content. Do remember when 3D was the future?

And the closer the TVs will go to the 4000 nits the better the HDR10 will look, once HDR10 won't require tone mapping the advantage of DV will be not much since they both will follow the EOTF perfectly, better colors alone won't convince consumers.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by grodd

Here is the direct comparison of the chroma where the OPPO has more jaggy edges and the Panasonic looks smoother with addition to more detail on the 4K and 1080p test patterns.

So I'm curious to see what GeoffD is talking about. (Starting at 3:20)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ys6...ature=youtu.be

Put on a chroma test pattern like the 24p test on Spears & Munsil and you'll see the sharpest chroma sampling on the Panny for sure. Put on a set of colour bars on that same disc and you'll also see the heavy ringing that it causes along the edges of the bars, which I've seen in motion when watching actual content, animated stuff in particular.

Then there's also the heavy ringing in the luma channel caused by the Panny's 4K upscaling, needing Edge Correction to be set to +1 to fix it. And still no word on whether 480i is still broken...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wobulater

One articles claims movie studios are using 2017 Panasonic OLEDs:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...led-tv-ranges/

Since that ^ article was written, there has been some restructuring with CO3 now operating ‘independently’ as a corporate industry of Deluxe, but the Panny remains popular as a client monitor….

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although the huge elephant in that room is that the TV doesn’t support what the industry consensus is the best quality HDR format there is for motion pictures.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KvY...ature=youtu.be

[unknownuser0001]

Originally Posted by E6AtmosVuduDV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KvY...ature=youtu.be

So the OLED setting is 1000 nits, great. Exactly works as on the FZ OLED which is great.
Specially interesting to hear that the HDR Optimizer is also a high bit mapping feature so it can recover color details as well and smooth gradient. But a DV comparison will give definite answers but I won't invest into that buggy DV ecosystem with like less than 10 movies which I'd like to watch. 420+FZ800 for me is enough.

And the fact that all of these video features you can have on the 220 euros 420 is just awesome and kills competition. But even for double the price,the 820 with DV is just a no brainer.

[elwaylite]

Im sold on the OLED tone mapping internally on the 820, I will have one...

[grodd]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Put on a chroma test pattern like the 24p test on Spears & Munsil and you'll see the sharpest chroma sampling on the Panny for sure. Put on a set of colour bars on that same disc and you'll also see the heavy ringing that it causes along the edges of the bars, which I've seen in motion when watching actual content, animated stuff in particular.

Then there's also the heavy ringing in the luma channel caused by the Panny's 4K upscaling, needing Edge Correction to be set to +1 to fix it. And still no word on whether 480i is still broken...

Not just sharpest but cleaner with less jaggy artifacts on the 1080p (as shown in the videos.) With OPPO causing jaggy edges around areas of color. This makes the OPPO look oversharped and slightly pixelated as you can see from the video.

I haven't seen the ringing you mentioned on the bars aside from the luma which can be fixed but I'll look into it.
Do you have any photos of this? Maybe its something else.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

$1200 for UB9000 not so bad. Maybe sell a few things around the house. To bring down the expenture.

Love the video comment about UB9000 hdmi connect to Sony's TV.

IF UB9000 has VUDU DV Atmos app that would save me from having to buy another box/player of some kind